Re: Freerunner won't charge
clemens kirchgatterer clem...@1541.org writes: I have the same problem. Can you pls report if replacing the chip actually fixes the moko? Replacing pcf50633? I'm not sure anyone has ever tried that, it's BGA iirc. Have you investigated other options? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Replacing pcf50633? I'm not sure anyone has ever tried that, it's BGA iirc. Have you investigated other options? The purpose of this thread was kind of to discover and explore those other options if there are any. I'm out of my league here. If you have suggestions of things to try please post them, I'd love some options at this point. As it is my Freerunner is about to be a brick as I have no way to charge the batteries other than in the unit and if I can't charge them on the go then it's not going to be good for anything anyway even if I had a battery charger. Thanks for the links to the schematics Paul. I'm hopefully going to take it to a local electronics repairman today and see if he has any ideas. If I can get it repaired I'll post an update here. --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Replacing pcf50633? I'm not sure anyone has ever tried that, it's BGA iirc. Have you investigated other options? The purpose of this thread was kind of to discover and explore those other options if there are any. I'm out of my league here. If you have suggestions of things to try please post them, What i'd do is basically checking all of the relevant registers of the PMU (you can easily view the dump with the corresponding sysfs node), and i think that would give a reasonable clue explaining why PMU thinks it's not possible to charge the battery. BTW, have you already posted your dmesg here, i think i haven't seen that one? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
I have the same problem. Can you pls report if replacing the chip actually fixes the moko? thx, clemens On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 06:46, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: So, there's no way to fix this thing? If I need to take it to an electronics repair shop to get it fixed I can, just need to know what part(s) will need to be repaired/replaced. Anyone know were I can get hold of schematics for the mainboard? If it's a simple repair proceedure I might be able to do it myself even. Schematics are available from [1]. I hope you'll find the cause and will be able to use your cool device again :) Basically, what you need to know is that charging is controlled by the PMU chip, PCF50633, it's connected over SPI bus and you can easily view dump of its registers from [2] (newer kernels might have a slightly different path but the same filename). Schematics are pretty much obvious but if you have any questions, feel free to ask here or on #openmoko-cdevel irc channel. [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/ [2] /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
So, there's no way to fix this thing? If I need to take it to an electronics repair shop to get it fixed I can, just need to know what part(s) will need to be repaired/replaced. Anyone know were I can get hold of schematics for the mainboard? If it's a simple repair proceedure I might be able to do it myself even. --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
01.07.2011 17:13, Ronald Tallent пишет: So, there's no way to fix this thing? If I need to take it to an electronics repair shop to get it fixed I can, just need to know what part(s) will need to be repaired/replaced. Anyone know were I can get hold of schematics for the mainboard? If it's a simple repair proceedure I might be able to do it myself even. --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It can be software bug. I had that on fresh shr about 3 month ago. Rolling back cured ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
It can be software bug. I had that on fresh shr about 3 month ago. Rolling back cured Don't think it's software, I rolled back to one of my previously known good backups and still had the problem. Also, if it was software it should still charge when flashing or when sitting on the NAND/NOR boot menus shouldn't it? It used to, not it doesn't. Anyone have any other ideas? --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Hi, Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: So, there's no way to fix this thing? If I need to take it to an electronics repair shop to get it fixed I can, just need to know what part(s) will need to be repaired/replaced. Anyone know were I can get hold of schematics for the mainboard? If it's a simple repair proceedure I might be able to do it myself even. Schematics are available from [1]. I hope you'll find the cause and will be able to use your cool device again :) Basically, what you need to know is that charging is controlled by the PMU chip, PCF50633, it's connected over SPI bus and you can easily view dump of its registers from [2] (newer kernels might have a slightly different path but the same filename). Schematics are pretty much obvious but if you have any questions, feel free to ask here or on #openmoko-cdevel irc channel. [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/ [2] /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
om --version reports it as 0.12. ~$ uname -r = 2.6.34.8 Running SHR-U from I think the builds made in February. I keep it updated pretty frequently. --Ron On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 17:55 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: om usb charger-mode reading usb charger mode: no such file or directory also tried setting the charger mode and got the same no such file or directory message. Sounds like your kernel is too new or your omhacks is too old. What do you see with om --version and uname -r? And what distro was this again? -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: om --version reports it as 0.12. ~$ uname -r = 2.6.34.8 Running SHR-U from I think the builds made in February. I keep it updated pretty frequently. I have debian with lindi@ginger:~$ uname -r 2.6.34-20101212.git049b71de lindi@ginger:~$ om --version om version 0.14 Do you know who in SHR-U is responsible for the omhacks package? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Do you know who in SHR-U is responsible for the omhacks package? Not a clue, you could message the SHR-Users list (shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org) maybe someone there knows. Oh btw, apparently there were some updated kernel modules and I got those installed. Now all the commands seem to work except the om usb charger-mode command. That one still gives the no such file or directory error. --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner won't charge
Help! I made a USB gender changer per the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_type_A_jack_to_a_type_A_jack_adapter_.28gender_changer.29 and it tested okay with a multimeter, then I tested it with a USB keyboard and it worked as expected, then I plugged in a small multi-card reader with a microSD card in it, and since then my Freerunner will not charge via any method. It still works perfectly in device mode, and even host mode (providing power to external devices even), but it won't charge from a laptop via USB cable or from the wall AC adapter. Is there any way I can fix this thing? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: small multi-card reader with a microSD card in it, and since then my Freerunner will not charge via any method. Can your FR still draw power from USB to other parts than battery? -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
No idea. *shrug* How would I test that? Where else does power go when it comes in from the USB port? The light that should come on when plugged into a charge source does not come on, (orange or blue) if that helps to answer the question, and the charge indicator never indicates that it's charging. SHR Settings for Power never show that it's receiving a charge regardless of mA settings. I have the GTA02 A7 and I've tried 2 Freerunner batteries in it (one is brand new), and my Nokia BL-5C battery which last I checked Openmoko wiki said was compatible. Same results with all 3 batteries. --Ron On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:42 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: small multi-card reader with a microSD card in it, and since then my Freerunner will not charge via any method. Can your FR still draw power from USB to other parts than battery? -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: No idea. *shrug* How would I test that? Use om battery consumption or similar to measure how much the Freerunner draws energy from the battery. Then connect the USB cable and check if it draws any less. Where else does power go when it comes in from the USB port? The light that should come on when plugged into a charge source does not come on, That's pure software, don't rely blindly :-) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Use om battery consumption or similar to measure how much the Freerunner draws energy from the battery. Then connect the USB cable and check if it draws any less. Doesn't seem to change. There's 0 drop in battery consumption as reported by om battery consumption when I plug in the USB cable or the AC adapter. Is there any hope for this thing? Thanks for your help thus far. =) --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: Doesn't seem to change. There's 0 drop in battery consumption as reported by om battery consumption when I plug in the USB cable or the AC adapter. Is there any hope for this thing? Thanks for your help thus far. =) Note that om battery consumption can lag a bit. You probably want to average a few minutes at least. What do you see with om usb charger-mode om battery charger-limit om usb charger-limit when it is connected? (Sample output when it's fully charged and GSM is off: lindi@ginger:~$ om usb charger-mode charge-battery lindi@ginger:~$ om battery charger-limit 500 lindi@ginger:~$ om usb charger-limit 500 lindi@ginger:~$ om usb mode device lindi@ginger:~$ om battery energy 100 lindi@ginger:~$ om battery consumption 0 ) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
om usb charger-mode reading usb charger mode: no such file or directory also tried setting the charger mode and got the same no such file or directory message. om battery charger-limit reading battery charger limit: no such file or directory om usb charger-limit reading usb charger limit: no such file or directory ~$ om usb mode = device ~$ om battery energy = 29 ~$ om battery consumption AC USB adapter plugged in = 104024.8 avg over 2.5 minutes No power adapter = 107999.8 avg over 2.5 minutes when it is connected? no difference in any messages execpt for the consumption whether it was was plugged in or not. All tests with GSM off (no SIM card installed). Am I missing some dependancy somewhere for omhacks? Or is it just not finding some piece of hardware? --Ron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge
Ronald Tallent r...@tallent.ws writes: om usb charger-mode reading usb charger mode: no such file or directory also tried setting the charger mode and got the same no such file or directory message. Sounds like your kernel is too new or your omhacks is too old. What do you see with om --version and uname -r? And what distro was this again? -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
I'll do that. Thanks. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates slightly more current than most usb ports. You might want to try that --- if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. G'luck Warren On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. The battery will be fine, it's just that the phone refuses to charge it. I've had a lot of good results with a Nokia battery charger. You can also hope you've got enough juice in battery to load up the uboot menu - from here you can plug the USB charger in and select boot. This has seemed to work for me in the past - once uboot gets things started it should accept a charge from the USB port. Joseph 2008/9/2 Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates slightly more current than most usb ports. You might want to try that --- if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. G'luck Warren On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Christ van Willegen skrev: Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot, bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it. Then it starts and charges again. Greetings Bastian Paul V. Borza schrieb: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro http://www.borza.ro -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvWKklYiDScJJ+7QRAqOtAJ4gzQENc0m1BGNX6pn+rgNHIyPSMgCfXRWL aoZKcX6yKmqFfbh6gJbczPc= =835E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out ofpower
Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. Of course it is, but it's a hardware bug: Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work. (If you have the newest kernel images, you should be safe due to a software fix.) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. I can't give you a simple answer. Charging is controlled by the PCF50633 chip, based on configuration values that are written to it by u-boot, Linux, and userspace programs. Some of these settings are preserved across a power-cycle (the PCF50633 has a small backup battery that's also used to keep the RTC running) so the behavior at startup depends on the software that you used during your last session. Another complication is that some Freerunners are capable of starting up without a battery while others are not (possibly due to different capacitor values on the internal power rails). I can give a few hints: - The current u-boot has a bug that means it will not properly charge from the wall charger. Try a USB cable into a PC instead. - Try to boot into the NAND u-boot menu (hold power and then aux) and then select power off. This may leave the device in a state were it will charge. Wait 15 minutes and then try to boot Linux. - Try booting through NOR u-boot instead (hold aux and then power) with either the wall charger or a 500mA USB connection, then try booting Linux. - If the device shuts off during one of the above attempts, let it sit for a few minutes and then try that same item once again I've written some u-boot patches that improve low-battery handling. Anyone who's interested can take a look at the openmoko-kernel list for more details, but be warned that the code is not yet ready for general distribution (i.e. anyone who tests it does so entirely at his/her own risk). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Paul On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Paul V. Borza www.accelsense.com, www.accelsense.org, www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks). However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? It provides enough current for fast charge, but unless by complete coincidence it has the same ID resistor we require, you will have to kick up the charge current manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz Output: +5V 2.0A ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold- aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz Output: +5V 2.0A ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold- aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :) The provided charger is rated at 2A, but the maximum the Fr can charge at is 1A http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Yes I've experienced this too. I have spare batteries so I experimented with completely draining my battery, and if you insert the charger, you'll probably hear a little noise out of the speaker, maybe feel it vibrate or see the LED blink, but it won't actually turn on because there's not enough power to operate the LCD monitor, but it still charges at 100mA and after a little while you should be able to boot it up, and have just enough power to reach the point in the kernel bootup where it instructs the PMU to draw full power. If you're impatient, and you have a spare, you can hot swap the battery too. Boot it up to the point where it starts drawing full power, then take out your full battery and put in a dead one. On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:58:28 Bastian Muck wrote: I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot, bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it. Then it starts and charges again. Greetings Bastian Paul V. Borza schrieb: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro http://www.borza.ro -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger I had to actually press the power button at this stage to get the boot menu 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) Other than that it booted and started its full charge ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
