Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Geoff Ruscoe]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:
>
> 1. Push and hold the AUX button
> 2. Plug in the wall charger


I had to actually press the power button at this stage to get the boot menu


>
> 3. Select "Boot" in uboot
> 4. Wait while your phone boots up :)
>

Other than that it booted and started its full charge
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Daniel Benoy]

Yes I've experienced this too.  I have spare batteries so I experimented with 
completely draining my battery, and if you insert the charger, you'll probably 
hear a little noise out of the speaker, maybe feel it vibrate or see the LED 
blink, but it won't actually turn on because there's not enough power to 
operate the LCD monitor, but it still charges at 100mA and after a little while 
you should be able to boot it up, and have just enough power to reach the point 
in the kernel bootup where it instructs the PMU to draw full power.

If you're impatient, and you have a spare, you can hot swap the battery too.  
Boot it up to the point where it starts drawing full power, then take out your 
full battery and put in a dead one.

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:58:28 Bastian Muck wrote:
> I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my
> laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot,
> bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges
> with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is
> slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it.
> Then it starts and charges again.
> 
> Greetings Bastian
> 
> Paul V. Borza schrieb:
> > I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it
> > for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to
> > turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it
> > suddenly turns off.
> >
> > I think this is because of the battery that is already out of
> > power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for
> > more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I
> > think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same
> > out of the blue shutdown happens.
> >
> > Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when
> > is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now,
> > because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro 
> >
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Michael Shiloh]

Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote:
> Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
>> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I
>> won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another
>> charger from another phone that says:
>> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
>> Output: 5V 1A LPS
>>
>> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
>> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?
> 
>   Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has
> Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz
> Output: +5V 2.0A
>   ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold-
> aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :)

The provided charger is rated at 2A, but the maximum the Fr can charge 
at is 1A

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I
> won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another
> charger from another phone that says:
> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
> Output: 5V 1A LPS
>
> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?

  Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has
Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz
Output: +5V 2.0A
  ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold-
aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :)

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> > > I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for
> > > a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on:
> > > it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
> > >
> > > I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> > > However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than
> > > 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> > > charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue
> >
> > shutdown
> >
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> > > Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> > > I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during
> >
> > boot,
> >
> > > it shuts down.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> >   i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is
> > dead
> > meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery
> > page on
> > the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:
> >
> > 1. Push and hold the AUX button
> > 2. Plug in the wall charger
> > 3. Select "Boot" in uboot
> > 4. Wait while your phone boots up :)
> >
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Michael Shiloh]

Paul V. Borza wrote:
> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, 
> and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).
> However, I've got another charger from another phone that says:
> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
> Output: 5V 1A LPS
> 
> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?


It provides enough current for fast charge, but unless by complete 
coincidence it has the same ID resistor we require, you will have to 
kick up the charge current manually.



http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Paul V. Borza]

Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I
won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another
charger from another phone that says:
Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
Output: 5V 1A LPS

This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?

Paul

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> > I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> > couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
> > starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
> >
> > I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> > However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
> > hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> > charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue
> shutdown
> > happens.
> >
> > Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> > Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> > I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during
> boot,
> > it shuts down.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
>   i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is
> dead
> meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page
> on
> the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:
>
> 1. Push and hold the AUX button
> 2. Plug in the wall charger
> 3. Select "Boot" in uboot
> 4. Wait while your phone boots up :)
>
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen]

Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
> starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
>
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
> hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown
> happens.
>
> Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
> it shuts down.
>
> Thanks.

  i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead 
meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on 
the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix:

1. Push and hold the AUX button
2. Plug in the wall charger
3. Select "Boot" in uboot
4. Wait while your phone boots up :)

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Mike Montour]

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

> Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off?
> My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the 
> battery when it is flat.

I can't give you a simple answer. Charging is controlled by the PCF50633 
chip, based on configuration values that are written to it by u-boot, 
Linux, and userspace programs. Some of these settings are preserved 
across a power-cycle (the PCF50633 has a small backup battery that's 
also used to keep the RTC running) so the behavior at startup depends on 
the software that you used during your last session.

Another complication is that some Freerunners are capable of starting up 
without a battery while others are not (possibly due to different 
capacitor values on the internal power rails).

I can give a few hints:
- The current u-boot has a bug that means it will not properly charge 
from the wall charger. Try a USB cable into a PC instead.
- Try to boot into the NAND u-boot menu (hold power and then aux) and 
then select "power off". This may leave the device in a state were it 
will charge. Wait 15 minutes and then try to boot Linux.
- Try booting through NOR u-boot instead (hold aux and then power) with 
either the wall charger or a 500mA USB connection, then try booting Linux.
- If the device shuts off during one of the above attempts, let it sit 
for a few minutes and then try that same item once again

I've written some u-boot patches that improve low-battery handling. 
Anyone who's interested can take a look at the openmoko-kernel list for 
more details, but be warned that the code is not yet ready for general 
distribution (i.e. anyone who tests it does so entirely at his/her own 
risk).


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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Bastian Muck]

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I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my
laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot,
bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges
with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is
slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it.
Then it starts and charges again.

Greetings Bastian

Paul V. Borza schrieb:
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it
> for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to
> turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it
> suddenly turns off.
>
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of
> power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for
> more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I
> think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same
> out of the blue shutdown happens.
>
> Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when
> is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now,
> because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro 
>
> --
>
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Joseph Reeves]

http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-chg/


2008/9/2 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Christ van Willegen skrev:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.
> Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
> and then it suddenly turns off.
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
>
>
> Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't
> booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery.
>
> AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery.
> Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one...
>
> Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall
> charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery.
> Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging.
>
> HTH.
>
> Christ van Willegen
>
>
> Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off?
> My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the
> battery when it is flat.
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Christ van Willegen skrev:

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
couple of days without turning on.
Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
and then it suddenly turns off.
I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.



Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't
booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery.

AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery.
Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one...

Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall
charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery.
Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging.

HTH.

Christ van Willegen
  

Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off?
My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the 
battery when it is flat.
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Joseph Reeves]

> if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option.

The battery will be fine, it's just that the phone refuses to charge it.

I've had a lot of good results with a Nokia battery charger. You can
also hope you've got enough juice in battery to load up the uboot menu
- from here you can plug the USB charger in and select boot. This has
seemed to work for me in the past - once uboot gets things started it
should accept a charge from the USB port.

Joseph



2008/9/2 Warren Baird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates
> slightly more current than most usb ports.   You might want to try that ---
> if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option.
>
> G'luck
>
> Warren
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
>> couple of days without turning on.
>> Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
>> and then it suddenly turns off.
>> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
>> However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
>> hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging,
>> because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens.
>>
>> Has anyone got a similar behavior?
>> Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
>> I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
>> it shuts down.
>> Thanks.
>> --
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>> www.borza.ro
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Warren Baird]

I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates
slightly more current than most usb ports.   You might want to try that ---
if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option.

G'luck

Warren



On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
> starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
>
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
> hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging,
> because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens.
>
> Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
> it shuts down.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Paul V. Borza]

I'll do that.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christ van Willegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> > couple of days without turning on.
> > Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
> > and then it suddenly turns off.
> > I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
>
> Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't
> booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery.
>
> AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery.
> Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one...
>
> Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall
> charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery.
> Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging.
>
> HTH.
>
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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[flamma]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery


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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Natanael Arndt]

Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 schrieb Paul V. Borza:
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
> starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.
>
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
> However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
> hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not
> charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown
> happens.
>
> Has anyone got a similar behavior?
> Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
> I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
> it shuts down.
>
> Thanks.

The Neo isn't charging, when it is turned off.
But you can try to (1.) remove the battery and (2.) plug the usb in (wall 
charger) and then (3.) insert the battery. (4.) The FreeRunner should boot.
For me it also booted once without battery, but somewhere in the wiki i've 
read that the usb power is not enoght for booting.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Christ van Willegen]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
> couple of days without turning on.
> Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
> and then it suddenly turns off.
> I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.

Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't
booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery.

AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery.
Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one...

Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall
charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery.
Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging.

HTH.

Christ van Willegen
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Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Paul V. Borza]

I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it
starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off.

I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.
However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12
hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging,
because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens.

Has anyone got a similar behavior?
Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC?
I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot,
it shuts down.

Thanks.

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