Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Joe Pfeiffer]

denis writes:
>>   
>Thank you for the clear statement. Ok your are not a normal hardware 
>manufacturer. :)

When I saw the "how to disassemble" instructions I knew that!

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Wednesday 28 February 2007 04:08:39 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> > CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
> > of an "upgrade" after 3 months.
> The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
> working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later.


Thanks for the comment, it's much appreciated.


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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Krzysztof Kajkowski]

2007/2/28, Bruce Deschamps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi I Krysztof and Sean,

In reference to Krys email below,  I would also like to know what the status
of developers should have to get the device? Should they be affiliated to a
company, or can student engineer like me, get it on phase 1? I am studying
Computer Science focused on mobile software. This is my last year. :)


Hi! If you cancall yourself developer you are able to buy phase1
device - there are no restrictions.

cayco

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[denis]

Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote:
  

So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed"
version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster
CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
of an "upgrade" after 3 months.



The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. 


-Sean


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Thank you for the clear statement. Ok your are not a normal hardware 
manufacturer. :)


Regards, Denis

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Bruce Deschamps]

Hi I Krysztof and Sean,

In reference to Krys email below,  I would also like to know what the status
of developers should have to get the device? Should they be affiliated to a
company, or can student engineer like me, get it on phase 1? I am studying
Computer Science focused on mobile software. This is my last year. :)

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Bruce

2007/2/28, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


2007/2/28, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote:
> > So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed"
> > version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster
> > CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
> > of an "upgrade" after 3 months.
>
> The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
> working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later.
>

That's wonderful news Sean!

Could you clarify: are there going to be two 'Phases 1' - one for
developers at the end of March and the second on June? Could you tell
us something about discount for those who buy early Phase1 devices and
then want to buy next generation dev?

regards

cayco

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Krzysztof Kajkowski]

2007/2/28, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote:
> So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed"
> version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster
> CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
> of an "upgrade" after 3 months.

The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later.



That's wonderful news Sean!

Could you clarify: are there going to be two 'Phases 1' - one for
developers at the end of March and the second on June? Could you tell
us something about discount for those who buy early Phase1 devices and
then want to buy next generation dev?

regards

cayco

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote:
> So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed"
> version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster
> CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell
> of an "upgrade" after 3 months.

The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still
working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. 

-Sean


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Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Alan Ide]

So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed" version of
the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated
Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an "upgrade" after
3 months.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Alan Ide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
To: mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed" version of
the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated
Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an "upgrade" after
3 months.

On 2/27/07, mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had.  I get more and
more excited about this project as it goes on.
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Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

[Alan Ide]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Alan Ide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
To: mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the "Refreshed" version of
the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated
Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an "upgrade" after
3 months.

On 2/27/07, mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had.  I get more and
more excited about this project as it goes on.
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[Fwd: Re: GSoC 2007 is ON!!]

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On Feb 23, 2:59 pm, xris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm looking at the FAQ:
>
> http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60281&topic=10730
>
> Does this mean that there will be considerably less hassle for
> mentoring (non)organizations trying to get 1099 forms for their
> mentors in 2007?

I think it is fair to say that wherever taxes and paperwork are
concerned, there will always be hassles.

I would definitely urge organizations that are hoping to participate
in GSoC this year to consider incorporating now.  The process can take
quite awhile and it's a worthwhile enterprise regardless so that you
can more easily take donations, monetary and otherwise, from the
community.

For those organizations who cannot incorporate, consider contacting
the Software Freedom Law Center or Software in the Public Interest.
Both groups handle financials for open source organizations who have
not incorporated.

Does anyone else have sage advice to add here?

Best,
LH


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Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

1. SVHMPC has invited us to use their discount code by claiming to be a
  member of their club. Code is below.

2. If anyone wants to sign us up, some more info:



-- Forwarded message --

There's actually a web site for community organizers to use to register their 
groups with O'Reilly. You get a discount on conferences, and it looks like you 
can get complementary copies of books for the purpose of reviewing them in 
newsletters.


The URL is http://ug.oreilly.com/

Cool stuff.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

-Cheers
-Matt H.

P.S. - I don't know what O'Reilly's policy on groups sharing discount codes is, 
but our group is very inclusive. That is, you can be a member simply by saying, 
"Hey, I'm interested in this stuff, I want to identify with others working on 
open mobile phones." So if you can't get a discount code for your group in 
time, I'm happy to "claim" anyone in the OpenMoko community as also being a 
member of the homebrew mobile phone club. Our interests are aligned, so I don't 
think it's a stretch. Please feel free to tell interested OpenMoko members 
about the fact that we published our discount code on our list ( which is 
available in our list archives at 
http://telefono.revejo.org/pipermail/svhmpc_telefono.revejo.org/2007-February/000689.html 
)


> 
> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
> 
> > > Emerging Telephony Conference:

> > > Use code "etel07fnf40" when you register, and receive 40% off the
> > > registration price.


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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[Dean Collins]

For people that are going - if you want to check out a really good voip
session go along and see Tim Panton talking about Mexuar Corraleta and
Asterisk

 

http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/etel2007/view/e_sess/11848

 

(for those that have no idea what I'm talking about www.asterisk.org
<http://www.asterisk.org/>  www.Mexuar.com <http://www.mexuar.com/> 

http://www.mexuar.com/downloads/Level1Products/CorraletaDemoSound.swf )

 

 

:-) little bit self serving but hey it's going to be a huge event.

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Schlesinger
Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 7:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

 

I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


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Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in
charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





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Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for
groups
to join.

Paul

> -Original Message-
>>
>> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
>>
>>>> Emerging Telephony Conference:
>>>> Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
>>>> registration price.

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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

Wish it could have been sooner, but I just heard about it today.

Unless someone "official" wants to register the group, perhaps it will be left
to the first person who intends to register but hasn't paid yet.

M



On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:


I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


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Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





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Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul


-Original Message-


Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:


Emerging Telephony Conference:
Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
registration price.


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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[David Schlesinger]

I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


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Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
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Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul

> -Original Message-
>>
>> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
>>
>>>> Emerging Telephony Conference:
>>>> Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
>>>> registration price.

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Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
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Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul


-Original Message-


Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:


Emerging Telephony Conference:
Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
registration price.


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Fwd: Re: Openmoko podcast

[Richard Bennett]

On Friday 02 February 2007 03:37, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > I also never realized that FIC is not just some little startup
> > That makes it a lot more likely that they will still be around for V2 to
> > get released, and for V1 to actually work.
>
> I'm kind of surprised that FIC means so little to a lot of people I'm
> talking. FIC was well-known to be a manufacturer of solid x86
> motherboards back in the 80s. Perhaps most people weren't into
> computers back those days? ;)

i didn't know people were making mother-boards back then... my first
experience was with a Tandy TSR80, and i don't think it had any
interchangeable parts inside...

Busy doing night time coding to get our phone ready?
That's the spirit!  ;o)


Richard


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[SVHMPC] Engadget's Take on the Google Phone (fwd)

[michael]

Forwarded from the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club:


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Subject: [SVHMPC] Engadget's Take on the Google Phone

The guys over at Engadget are publishing what looks to be a photoshopped
picture of the "G-Phone." Supposedly, it's a whole-screen type affair that
syncs with all your Google services.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/the-google-switch-an-iphone-killer/


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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Alexander McLeay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070118 06:23]:
> On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> >I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
> >connection.
> >
> >I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
> >a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection
> >that I use now.
> 
> What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for

basic BT has a bandwidth of 768kbits/s if I remember right. And it's
good enough for High-Fidelity earphones, especially considering that
it support Quality-of-Service, which you don't get with pure WiFi stuff.

Andreas
> 
> People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this
> an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a
They use the same frequency. In practice with the Nokia9500, after
enabling WiFi, the earphone goes dead quite quickly :(

Andreas

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Jean-Philippe Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070118 03:38]:
> On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote:
> > Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth.  At least with
> > linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
> > you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed.  Neos
> > won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :)
> >
> > - Chad
> 
> I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on 
> desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless 
> Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like.

Then learn before you start to whine.
BT even in the most basic version will be enough for 90% of the
intended WiFi uses. Should we get some better BT, it can basically do
almost everything that WiFi can do and more. (Beside being WiFi
compatible *g*)

> Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(
Yeah, it's not WiFi. OTOH, at home that's not much an issue (USB
Bluetooth doongles are cheap), and on the road you won't be using much
WiFi hotspots (expensive, login page, etc.)

Andreas

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speex codec down to 2kbit/s instead of 2kbyte/s Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Robert Michel]

Salve Gabriel!

Gabriel Ambuehl schrieb am Donnerstag, den 18. Januar 2007 um 08:55h:
> > VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? 
> Plenty fast for that. I think Speex can run on as little as 2kbyte/s.
Ohhhmmm I've tested 1kByte/s bewteen two asterisks this is
a quite good quality. Remember that GSM codecs use 9600 or 14400 Baud

"Wide range of bit rates available (from 2 kbit/s to 44 kbit/s)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speex

I think you mean 2kbit/s instead of 2kbyte/s. 
But with less then 1kB/s I would expect reduced quality.

Greetings
rob

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Thursday 18 January 2007 06:12, Alexander McLeay wrote:

> What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for

It's assumed Bluetooth 2.0 EDR will allow about 2mbit.

> VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? 

Plenty fast for that. I think Speex can run on as little as 2kbyte/s.


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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Rod Whitby]

Alexander McLeay wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>> I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
>> connection.
>>
>> I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
>> a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection
>> that I use now.
> 
> What sort of speed does this give you?

No idea.  It's not fast, but it's fast enough for email, irc, web, etc.
 Since the Treo has little memory, I don't need to download MBs of files
to it.  If I do need to download to the memory card (e.g. for podcasts),
I'll just take out the memory card and download via the laptop (this is
much much faster than using the USB sync for a Treo).

> Is it actually good enough for
> VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical?

No idea.  If I'm at home, then there is a laptop computer or a land-line
close by.

> If I didn't mind plugging in
> the USB cable, but I did want a decently fast connection, would I
> prefer to install updates/new software to my Neo with Bluetooth or
> USB?

I would do it via USB (assuming that's much faster than bluetooth).  My
rule of thumb is that a wired connection is always going to be faster
and more reliable than a wireless connection.

> People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this
> an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a
> different channel/frequency, seeing as I control both network setups?
> (My laptop is my only computer with Bluetooth, and it's usually
> connected via Wifi.)

Never encounted such interference.  My bluetooth gateway and wifi
gateway are a good 10m apart in different rooms (the bluetooth gateway
had to be located in the centre of the house, to get the range to both
ends of the house).

-- Rod

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Alexander McLeay]

On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...

I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
connection.

I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection
that I use now.


What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for
VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? If I didn't mind plugging in
the USB cable, but I did want a decently fast connection, would I
prefer to install updates/new software to my Neo with Bluetooth or
USB?

People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this
an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a
different channel/frequency, seeing as I control both network setups?
(My laptop is my only computer with Bluetooth, and it's usually
connected via Wifi.)

(Sorry if this has been covered before.)

--
Alexander.

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Rod Whitby]

Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote:
>>> Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(
>> It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB
>> dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ...
>>
>> I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in
>> my house.
>>
>> -- Rod
>> -- nslu2-linux.org project lead
> 
> A link I'm goin' to follow, if you say you actually get a Treo online with 
> this hack - I own a BEFW11S4 2.4 Wireless-B 802.11b, so I'm out here anyway.

I usually read and respond to this mailing list on the Treo 650
downloaded from my external IMAP server (fastmail.fm) over the bluetooth
link via an NSLU2 and Linksys USBBT100 dongle.  In fact, over 80% of my
email reading is done on the Treo in the first hour of the morning
(Australia morning immediately follows the US business day).

I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
connection.

I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection
that I use now.

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Jean-Philippe Monteiro]

> > Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(
>
> It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB
> dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ...
>
> I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in
> my house.
>
> -- Rod
> -- nslu2-linux.org project lead

A link I'm goin' to follow, if you say you actually get a Treo online with 
this hack - I own a BEFW11S4 2.4 Wireless-B 802.11b, so I'm out here anyway.

Thanks

Jean-Philippe

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Rod Whitby]

Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote:
> On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote:
>> Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth.  At least with
>> linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
>> you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed.  Neos
>> won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :)
>>
>> - Chad
> 
> I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on 
> desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless 
> Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like.
> 
> Thanks, that's info!
> 
> Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(

It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB
dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ...

I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in
my house.

-- Rod
-- nslu2-linux.org project lead

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Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Jean-Philippe Monteiro]

On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote:
> Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth.  At least with
> linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
> you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed.  Neos
> won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :)
>
> - Chad

I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on 
desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless 
Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like.

Thanks, that's info!

Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(



Jean-Philippe.

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Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?

[Chad]

Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth.  At least with
linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed.  Neos
won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :)

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Eric van Horssen]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

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Paul Bohme wrote:

Mike wrote:

Marcel de Jong wrote:

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)


You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really
bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.
Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


What I'm missing in that 'discussion' is a valid alternative.
A Thunderbird is no Elm. Sure it may work great with his
email-reader(s), it sure as heck doesn't in mine. :-(

oh well.. *shrug* :)

greetings,
Marcel


Hello Marcel,

Do I understand correctly that you use Thunderbird?
And that you think Thunderbird isn't able to
a) filter this list?
or
b) do a reply to all?

If so, I'll try to be of some assistence:

Case a)
In Thunderbird goto Tools; Message Filters...; New...
Instead of "Subject" choose "Customize..."
Create a "New message header:" "List-Id"  by ADDing it to the list

Use this in a new Filter Rule which checks for "List-Id" "contains" 
"community.lists.openmoko.org" (without the quotes)

Case b)
In the Thunderbird menu you will find that Reply is CTRL-R
And Reply to All is simply . CTRL-SHIFT-R

Good luck in extending the use of Thunderbird!!




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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike]

Andreas Kostyrka wrote:

* Mike [070116 00:11]:
I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up 
mail filters.

But it does already set a marker:

List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion 

Andreas


Yea it's just that I can't see at a glance in my inbox whether it's an 
openmoko email or an email to me.



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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Mike Krier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070116 00:11]:
> I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also 
> auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for 
> example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up 
> mail filters.
But it does already set a marker:

List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion 

Andreas

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Marcel de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070115 23:24]:
> On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
> >phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?
> >
> >
> 
> In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
> carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
> locked to your carrier.
> Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
> and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
> in any GSM-phone.
> 
> So no, they can't deny your phone.

Well, if they take some extreme measures they probably could deny it,
based on EMEI numbers. But no, it probably will work, although some
networks callcenter support might have problems and insist to walk you
through a specific phone model menu to do something ;(

SIM stands for Subscriber Identity Module btw :)

Basically phones come in different variants:
-) unlocked, you can put any SIM into it.
-) locked to SIMs specific operator.
-) locked to a specific SIM.

The last two are usually refered to as a SIMLOCK or simlocked phone,
and one usually gets one these in subsidized contracts. OTOH this is
strictly operator/country specific. There is one additional thing,
branded phones.

-) branded => that's orthogonal to the above, it means that the
firmware of the phone was altered to do things for a given operator.
Usually this involves logos, binding certain hotkeys to a fixed WAP
dialin. Or some US operators have been known to kill features that
would allow transfering images out of the phone with something else
than their data plan :(

It's orthogonal, because there are branded phones that are not
simlocked, and one can put a different SIM into it and use it.

As examples:
In Austria, most phones bought at a shop operated by a network are
simlocked to the network of the operator. (Speciality phones sometimes
are not, because they are sold in to small numbers)

In Germany, they like to brand the phones, but they usually come
without a simlock.

> The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
> the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
> quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
> stop you from using the Neo.
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)
> 
> --
> Marcel
> 
> ps.
> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
But it does. That's why you have a "group reply" function in your
mailer. Some advanced mailers might even have a special "list reply"
function *g*

OTOH, adding a Reply-To to the messages pointing to the list makes
replying just to the poster for offtopic messages hard.

> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
> mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)A
Nope, most technical mailing lists work this way. Only mailing lists
targeted to endusers that might have troubles operating their MUAs are
setup to include a Reply-To usually.

Andreas

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Koen Kooi]

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Mike Krier schreef:
> Marcel de Jong wrote:
>> On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
>>> phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
>> carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
>> locked to your carrier.
>> Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
>> and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
>> in any GSM-phone.
>>
>> So no, they can't deny your phone.
>> The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
>> the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
>> quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
>> stop you from using the Neo.
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)
>>
>> -- 
>> Marcel
>>
>> ps.
>> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
>> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
>> mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)
>>
> 
> I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
> auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
> example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.

No, need, just let procmail filter on the List-Id: header:

:0
* ^List-Id:.*community\.lists\.openmoko\.org
$MAILDIR/.OpenMoko/new


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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia wtorek, 16 stycznia 2007 00:45, Marcel de Jong napisał:

> >>> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
> >>> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the
> >>> only mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)

Nearly all lists which I read are configured like that.

> > You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get
> > really bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.
> > Interesting discussion:
> > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

> Okay, indeed very interesting, but still, currently I have to click
> Reply All (that's two steps in Gmail) if I want to reply to the list,

Pester gmail to add proper 'Reply to Mailing List' like it is in normal 
mailers?

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Marcel de Jong]

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Paul Bohme wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Marcel de Jong wrote:
>>> ps.
>>> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
>>> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
>>> mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)
>>>
> 
> You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really
> bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.
> Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> 
What I'm missing in that 'discussion' is a valid alternative.
A Thunderbird is no Elm. Sure it may work great with his
email-reader(s), it sure as heck doesn't in mine. :-(

oh well.. *shrug* :)

greetings,
Marcel
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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Mike writes:
>
>Yes I know that, I still vote for subject tags and reply-list.

I don't really care about subject tags, but would prefer reply-list.

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Marcel de Jong]

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Paul Bohme wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Marcel de Jong wrote:
>>> ps.
>>> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
>>> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
>>> mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)
>>>
> 
> You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really
> bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.
> Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> 

Okay, indeed very interesting, but still, currently I have to click
Reply All (that's two steps in Gmail) if I want to reply to the list,
and then cut and paste the list email address over to the "To" address
field (to overwrite address from the person whose message you are
responding to), two more steps.
That's a total of 4 steps just to reply to one message.
Sue me, I'm lazy (as should be all software developers and testers)

But I'll just follow those 4 steps, though it makes it kinda hard to
reply to this list via a mobile phone. (you don't want to know how much
KBs get wasted in those transactions) :-)

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike]

Paul Bohme wrote:

Mike wrote:

Marcel de Jong wrote:

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really 
bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.

Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.


There are a number of other headers that serve well for this.  If you 
examine the message, you'll see something similar to the following:


List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion 


List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Any of these, particularly the List-Id would be perfect for mail sorting.

 -P


Yes I know that, I still vote for subject tags and reply-list.







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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike Krier]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.






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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Paul Bohme]

Mike wrote:

Marcel de Jong wrote:

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really 
bent out of shape about..  Have no idea why.

Interesting discussion: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.


There are a number of other headers that serve well for this.  If you 
examine the message, you'll see something similar to the following:


List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion 
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Any of these, particularly the List-Id would be perfect for mail sorting.

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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike Krier]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also 
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for 
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.






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Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Mike]

Marcel de Jong wrote:

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)



I agree with this, and I'd also like to add that this list should also
auto-prepend a marker in the subject line like most other lists do, for
example [OMOKO-COM] so that we can set up mail filters.






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Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

[Marcel de Jong]

On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in the US, in New York city.  What networks can I use a Neo1973
phone on?  Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones?




In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a
carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GSM phone is
locked to your carrier.
Some carriers offer you bundles with phones that are simlocked
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMLOCKS), which means that the phone
and the SIMcard are paired, but if you have a SIMcard you can put it
in any GSM-phone.

So no, they can't deny your phone.
The only limitation on which GSM-phones you can choose from depends on
the frequency that is used in your country. But given that the Neo is
quad band (it supports all current GSM-frequency ranges), they can't
stop you from using the Neo.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM#Radio_interface)

--
Marcel

ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does that this way)

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Fwd: Wish: easy connecting with linux

[Marcel de Jong]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Marcel de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:43:16 +
Subject: Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux
To: Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well what I'd like it to be is to connect the phone using the usbcable
to the pc. And them somehow share the internet connection. It should
be possible via for instance usbnet, but I've never been able to get
it working.
If Openmoko could somehow aid in that process, would make it for me a
killer device. :)
That would make upgrading the phone a whole lot easier (and cheaper,
not using the dataplan of your carrier)

On 1/15/07, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 1/15/07, Marcel de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my
> internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different
> devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the
> Openmoko, that would be great.

Several solutions have been mentioned on
http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMokoIdeasWithWiFi

/Ole

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Re: Fwd: How SVN works wrt copies of versions

[Tim Newsom]

On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 1:44, Andreas Hochsteger wrote:


The latest version you updated to is located in
".svn/text-base/.svn-base" relative to the directory where
"" is located.
Note though, that it is not the last committed version (by anybody),
but rather the BASE version your local changes are basing on.
 See, that makes sense to me.  I just didn't know it was there.  /grin  
Now I know better.

--Tim

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Fwd: How SVN works wrt copies of versions

[Andreas Hochsteger]

Sorry, didn't notice that replying doesn't automatically go to the
mailing list ...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Andreas Hochsteger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03.12.2006 10:21
Subject: Re: How SVN works wrt copies of versions
To: Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


2006/12/3, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I trimmed the subject line

EdorFaus:
Thank you for correcting me.  =)
I have never seen the last commited verison in the local working directory
structure so I will have to check that out and see where its located.


The latest version you updated to is located in
".svn/text-base/.svn-base" relative to the directory where
"" is located.
Note though, that it is not the last committed version (by anybody),
but rather the BASE version your local changes are basing on.
For more details see [1] and [2].

[1] http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch03s03.html
[2] http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch08s03.html

--
Andreas


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Fwd: Please think about incrementel sync Re: Another idea for an application for the Neo: Instant sync to web page duplicating info on phone

[Jeff Andros]

Without thougths like that you will have an incredible GPRS traffic =
costs.

> ICS is really simple so
> we could host that from the device as well. If Apache isn't small
enough,
> even stripped down, there are several server apps that are optimised for
> this kind of environment



I don't do a lot of data on my phone at the moment mostly I use bluetooth
for this kind of thing, so I hadn't thought about costs... the other thing
we could try is an XML transfer of just the data, offloading the formatting
onto another server... the cool thing about this is we could run both
directly from the phone or from an intermediary depending on preferences and
the particular situation.

When you use an intermediary server, that will handle the heavy lifting on
building the page and you could have a nice ajax-y interface, direct from
the phone you could remotely store an XSL-T stylesheet to give you the
frontend.  this minimizes the data that needs to go back and forth.  sending
files back and forth I'd rather use something else, but in a pinch we could
use an svn client which does send only the file diffs back and forth, plus
storing the whole machine's drive on subversion gives us a nice backup in
case someone throws you into the pool with your phone in your pocket (it's
all fun and games until someone loses thier {email | phonebook | files |
blackmail photos of drunk friends})  you could also use this like so:

{user to phone} request update/commit cycle from phone to repository
{user on desktop} update local copy of phone filesystem
{user on desktop} make appropriate changes to files
{user on desktop} commit to repository
{user to phone} request update from repository

where you are not on your phone, and are making commands from a browser


Apache/whichever servers we're running handles the encryption, and now you
can get to the current version of your system through websvn from anywhere

--Jeff
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Fwd: multicolour multi-touch screen Re: OpenMoko/Neo1973 is pure (r)evolution :))) - do you recognized the power of "multi-touch gesture recognition"

[Jeff Andros]

> No keystroke at all - using just the different color points - areas
> and use the combinatoric - 10 colour points without different areas
> would give the power of 10! = 3.628.800 combinations
> more areas would give more power




so... if we've got an optical system like this, would it also be possible to
use the screen to scan in small documents(business cards) I think I saw
something like this years back, and this would be a perfect platform for
that  idea... especially if we can throw in some OCR

--Jeff
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