Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Marcus Bauer wrote: gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the concept to only be notified for certain events is nonsense because any nav-app wants to be notified about every data coming in. This concept just sucks CPU time. Hello, I am beginning to invest my time in the openmoko world. I just ordered one and will start working on it next month probably. I am mostly interested in the GPS area. I am *very* excited by the prospects :-) Your post made me doing some research about gpsd. In my opinion, the concept of gpsd is nice for desktop application but I am truly wondering why this is relevant for a handheld device where only one app is on screen most of the time. I am also not very keen on NMEA, very bad protocol if you ask me. The only sane and powerful solution is to read and decode the ublox binary format. I happen to know quite a bit about that, maybe I'll contribute a decoder... By the way, I didn't know about Tango GPS until now, it looks nice for what I read on your web site. Once I come back from holydays and I receive my Gta2, I'll try it. Maybe I'll contribute, who knows :-) I am involved in LyX development too (www.lyx.org) so maybe I'll port that too :-) But just my 2c. ;-) Your two cents was worth enough to trigger my motivation :-) Cheers, Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive listening to it anyway). Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :] PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly. I have a really dumb question: What is the point of having GPS anyway? I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it. If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty good. I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting what's cool or exciting about GPS. -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
If you don't need a GPS that's great but I find them really useful. Yes, maps and a compasses are really useful but they are quite bulky and you need the right one. Thanks to the FreeRunner I've now got localised, street level maps for a large part of the work (OSM[0]) in my pocket. In addition to this I don't even have to work out where I am and what direction I am moving in. I'm also looking for a mount for my bicycle handlebars so I'll have a full bike computer with me when I'm riding - speed, direction, time and distance will all be displayed for me along with the map. If I think of anything else I want to hand I could either implement it myself or ask the tangoGPS guys. And they are *so* much fun in planes :) Tim [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/ On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive listening to it anyway). Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :] PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly. I have a really dumb question: What is the point of having GPS anyway? I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it. If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty good. I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting what's cool or exciting about GPS. -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Ken Restivo wrote: What is the point of having GPS anyway? One reason for GPS on a phone is to provide location information for Enhanced 911 emergency services. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
What is the point of having GPS anyway? Its nice, when you're navigating around an unfamiliar area, to be able to have a realtime update of where you are exactly. Its also fun to have a trace of your trip, if you're the kind of person who gets out a bit. Nice in the forests and among nature, for example, to find that 'magic spot' again .. I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting what's cool or exciting about GPS. GPS is a good reason to get out more. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
start-up solved: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit Icon=diversity-nav Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Network;GPS; StartupNotify=true SingleInstance=true solved it but the destination screen crashes On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that page seems very out-dated... I modified the desktop file and it still won't start, what am I doing wrong? the file looks like this: Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit Icon=diversity-nav Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=GPS; StartupNotify=false What am I doing wrong? Also I could not find any info about the known workaround for crashing when opening the destination screen On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arne anka wrote: Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? The version from Alessandro (ipkg tree linked on his wiki site) is very old, has no .desktop file and icon and crashes when you open the destination screen (known workaround). Details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
my apologies for the spam, i didn't read the wiki good enough, the fix is there On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: start-up solved: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit Icon=diversity-nav Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Network;GPS; StartupNotify=true SingleInstance=true solved it but the destination screen crashes On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that page seems very out-dated... I modified the desktop file and it still won't start, what am I doing wrong? the file looks like this: Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit Icon=diversity-nav Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=GPS; StartupNotify=false What am I doing wrong? Also I could not find any info about the known workaround for crashing when opening the destination screen On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arne anka wrote: Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? The version from Alessandro (ipkg tree linked on his wiki site) is very old, has no .desktop file and icon and crashes when you open the destination screen (known workaround). Details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. Hmm .. that alongside mokopedia, and my 8gig card is *full* to the brim . Cool! :) Hey - maybe *this* is the killer app that puts moko ahead of the pack - a full, open, earth map, combined with the total information of mokopedia, *onboard*, being sold as far and as wide as our languages will allow .. *VERY* interesting! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Nope. Can't compete against a TomTom or any other commercial Navi. But then there is no solution for the Neo: the screen is too small and the speaker too weak. Nevertheless it is quite often quite handy. I'm using it to navigate the streets of Vienna quite happily, Marcus .. it took me a bit of effort to get it set up to do so, but for the most part it works great. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive listening to it anyway). Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :] PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:47 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. For all practical purposes the tile pre-caching works well. And in some hindsights tiles are far superior to vector data. Have a look at maps-for-free terrain or openpistemap terrain maps: no chance to keep all this data on a mobile device and no chance to generate maps on the fly, not even with a quad-core desktop CPU. Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. And suprisingly well with OSM maps. OSM germany map is only 73M. No big deal. But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) But you are tight, they solve quite different problems. Navit is far better for orientation in cities or for cycling and walking. And why i (gta01 user) have to launch gllin via tangoGPS? Since month there is a script that lets you start gllin on the GTA01 automatically. I haven't used this button since a long time. There was just on user (Bwalack) who convinced me to keep the button a bit longer. And he paid for the lunch ;-) Ah, cool. Have to look for this some time. gypsy - yes gpsd - no (at least not as it is, maybe as compat interface) gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. What i don't like with gpsd is that it is so inflexible. Like adding a second gps receiver (ok, maybe not very useful) or shutting down the gps device while not used. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. I would prefer a bluetooth bridge. Then many more devices than a well pre configured box running gpsd can use it. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the concept to only be notified for certain events is nonsense because any nav-app wants to be notified about every data coming in. This concept just sucks CPU time. Well, you are probably right. A gpsd compatible data stream should probably be available for legacy/more fancy software. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm That can easyle be compressed to much smaller size for mapping/routing purpses. The osm xml format is very redundant and verbose. I would call it a export format not a usable data format for embedded apps. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Tilman Baumann wrote: But you are tight, they solve quite different problems. Navit is far better for orientation in cities or for cycling and walking. Sorry, this is probably a typo that needs to be declared explicitly. s/tight/right/ *g* -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
arne anka wrote: Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? The version from Alessandro (ipkg tree linked on his wiki site) is very old, has no .desktop file and icon and crashes when you open the destination screen (known workaround). Details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well? Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 15:28:56 schrieb rakshat hooja: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well? Dear Rakshat, please don't let yourself be fooled by polemics, I know it's hard to resist, but we should lean on to the facts. Fact is: Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software, in fact we all like Tango GPS a lot. It talks nicely to our opgsd implementation and will be included by default in the FSO milestone2. What we did though was to write a framework subsystem implementing the org.freedesktop.Gypso dbus protcol, enhancing it to support the great U-Blox chip found in the Neo Freerunner devices, enhancing it to hook into the systemwide peripheral resource control, enhancing it to prepare for automatic downloading/uploading almanac and ephemeris to improve warmstart. So, in a nutshell: We provided the necessary middleware (as is the rest of FSO) to make things run better. Of course we will also discuss with upstream about how to improve the gypsy implementation of org.freedesktop.Gypsy. Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
rakshat hooja wrote: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well? Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. (no, caching tiles for the world is not a solution) And if gpsd is so great, ever wondered why tangoGPS has a button to restart and reconnect gpsd? And why i (gta01 user) have to launch gllin via tangoGPS? tangoGPS and OM2007.2 is hardly a comprehensive solution either. (Yes, it's called being polemic and it is the essence of all good discusions) I too think the OM2007.2 stack is great. And i like to stick with it, at least until ASU matured much much more. And here a sack full of my 2 cents: gypsy - yes gpsd - no (at least not as it is, maybe as compat interface) gsmd - no fso - yes eds - yes efl - yes Illume - maybe OM2007.2 apps - yes Qtopia - no -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:46 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 15:28:56 schrieb rakshat hooja: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well? Dear Rakshat, please don't let yourself be fooled by polemics, I know it's hard to resist, but we should lean on to the facts. Fact is: Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software Dear Dr. Michael Lauer, four hours ago (10:38 GMT) John Lee from Openmoko wrote: asu [is]: + diversity (gps app based on EFL) And from the blog of OM employee Holger Freyter: Certainly not the least application we are going to develop in our GForge is diversity. This application is combining GPS, [..] with OpenStreetmap to find your way[...] A quick search on Google tells that Wendy from Openmoko is writing test reports about diversity / splinter. If you look at: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=diversity you will see that the last checkin was *four hours* (!) ago by an OM employee. Stating that Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software is an impertinent and blunt lie. Dear Rakshat, please don't let yourself be fooled by lies, I know it's hard to resist, but we should lean on to the facts. Fact is: Openmoko IS developing its own gps software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I mis-understood something/ got the facts wrong . I will wait for Daniel Willmann's announcement. @Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be developed. (Offline maps is something that people have asked me about also. If you have some suggestions about making that possible using OSM data and I am sure you will find a lot of community support to make that happen) Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 18:19:32 schrieb rakshat hooja: Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I mis-understood something/ got the facts wrong . I will wait for Daniel Willmann's announcement. It has been sent some days ago, on the -devel list though (where this whole thread should belong to anyways). Please see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000324.html -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:49 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: @Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be developed. Development will go on and as long as I have a Neo it will run on it too. And I don't intend to sell my Neo ;-) (Offline maps is something that people have asked me about also. If you have some suggestions about making that possible using OSM data and I am sure you will find a lot of community support to make that happen) Offline maps are supported. Make sure you have a recent version of tangoGPS installed and change the directory where the maps are stored to some permanent place. Up to 0.9.2 this is by default /tmp and thus maps get deleted on reboot. You can pre-cache areas from the context menu when clicking on the map, last item map download. Hope that helps, regards, Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
@Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be developed. (Offline maps is something that people have asked me about also. If you have some suggestions about making that possible using OSM data and I am sure you will find a lot of community support to make that happen) It is very interesting to hear of your travails in India .. here in Austria, the map data is available for the most part, and what I have done with TangoGPS is navigate all over the areas I need, while connected to the Internet, and 'soaked the cache' as much as possible. This is a very rewarding experience, somehow, especially with daily updates to my datasets (trace tiles!) .. and it can be used in offline mode pretty well, if you give it space. So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:47 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. For all practical purposes the tile pre-caching works well. And in some hindsights tiles are far superior to vector data. Have a look at maps-for-free terrain or openpistemap terrain maps: no chance to keep all this data on a mobile device and no chance to generate maps on the fly, not even with a quad-core desktop CPU. Actually in most use cases the pre-caching mechanism will save plenty of storage space. And if gpsd is so great, ever wondered why tangoGPS has a button to restart and reconnect gpsd? Not because gpsd crashes but because it lets you connect to a different gpsd elsewhere on the network, i.e. if you do realtime tracking of a Neo. Or if you simply connect to the test gpsd on 82.240.156.91. Or if you have tangoGPS running on your laptop and you quickly and without any hassle want to use the gpsd on your Neo. And why i (gta01 user) have to launch gllin via tangoGPS? Since month there is a script that lets you start gllin on the GTA01 automatically. I haven't used this button since a long time. There was just on user (Bwalack) who convinced me to keep the button a bit longer. And he paid for the lunch ;-) tangoGPS and OM2007.2 is hardly a comprehensive solution either. Nope. Can't compete against a TomTom or any other commercial Navi. But then there is no solution for the Neo: the screen is too small and the speaker too weak. Nevertheless it is quite often quite handy. gypsy - yes gpsd - no (at least not as it is, maybe as compat interface) gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the concept to only be notified for certain events is nonsense because any nav-app wants to be notified about every data coming in. This concept just sucks CPU time. But just my 2c. ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
