Re: HTC patent application for Joerg's Y-cable?
Dnia 2010-06-05, sob o godzinie 13:08 +0100, Al Johnson pisze: It hasn't been granted yet, and the Y-cable was around before it was filed, but perhaps not by long enough. [cut] Should we be afraid of this patent? Is it used in FR? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC patent application for Joerg's Y-cable?
A Dilluns 07 Juny 2010 12:34:31, Patryk Benderz va escriure: Dnia 2010-06-05, sob o godzinie 13:08 +0100, Al Johnson pisze: It hasn't been granted yet, and the Y-cable was around before it was filed, but perhaps not by long enough. [cut] Should we be afraid of this patent? Is it used in FR? IANAL but it is'nt used on the FR. See yesterday irc openmoko-cdevel log for the opinion of Joerg (It starts near the begining at 18:28 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko- cdevel.20100607.txt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC patent application for Joerg's Y-cable?
On Monday 07 June 2010, Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: A Dilluns 07 Juny 2010 12:34:31, Patryk Benderz va escriure: Dnia 2010-06-05, sob o godzinie 13:08 +0100, Al Johnson pisze: It hasn't been granted yet, and the Y-cable was around before it was filed, but perhaps not by long enough. [cut] Should we be afraid of this patent? Is it used in FR? IANAL but it is'nt used on the FR. The patent refers to the adapter not the device, See yesterday irc openmoko-cdevel log for the opinion of Joerg (It starts near the begining at 18:28 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko- cdevel.20100607.txt Compare this comment from that log and the application's Claim 3: Jun 06 18:29:36 DocScrutinizer my y-cable doesn't need a conversion circuit and can inform the portable device that whether a power source is available and inform the portable device of connection status of the adapter through the data bus Jun 06 18:30:49 DocScrutinizer except if you define ID as a databus, and a resistor as a conversion circuit 3. The detachable adapter according to claim 2, wherein the host data bus is a universal serial bus (USB), and the connection status signal of the set of host bus signals is an ID signal of the USB. I'm no patent lawyer, but I think that's exactly what they're claiming. Other claims narrow it down to using a voltage on the id pin, or a resistance value, and making these switchable depending on what's plugged in. It only seems overly complicated because it's expressed in legalese rather than engineering terms. As Joerg says, I don't think it should be worthy of a patent. Unfortunately courts in the US have been progressively lowering the obviousness bar to the point where it's patentable unless someone has explicitly described it already before the priority date. It's not just software patents that are broken that side of the pond. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC patent application for Joerg's Y-cable?
Em 07-06-2010 16:00, Al Johnson escreveu: As Joerg says, I don't think it should be worthy of a patent. Unfortunately courts in the US have been progressively lowering the obviousness bar to the point where it's patentable unless someone has explicitly described it already before the priority date. It's not just software patents that are broken that side of the pond. And it's not just on the US either, particularly in Germany where recent developments are, to say the least, very troubling. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HTC patent application for Joerg's Y-cable?
It hasn't been granted yet, and the Y-cable was around before it was filed, but perhaps not by long enough. http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph- Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PG01p=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1=%2220100077121%22.PGNR.OS=DN/20100077121RS=DN/20100077121 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
