Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Am 29.10.2007 um 00:41 schrieb Doug Sutherland: Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers, Are they available for the Neo? Really open hardware would be if you get all the files to produce your own silicon :-) not source code, and this is not open hardware. Driver code is still in the software realm. For compulab's PXA270 boards, this is their listed OS support: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-os-support.htm Since they list linux support presumably there is source but I would check to make sure before buying. Here: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270cm/download/ They apparently use Angstrom and note that WiFi is currently not yet supported. For harware details, products like this will usually include enough documentation of the hardware to do any kind of interfacing you need, but it's not open hardware unless they provide the full schematics and gerber files to produce pcb boards. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone - resent (link corrected)
Sorry, I did copy the wrong link. Here is the correct one for the LCD-PDA module. http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/ Am 29.10.2007 um 00:41 schrieb Doug Sutherland: Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers, Are they available for the Neo? Really open hardware would be if you get all the files to produce your own silicon :-) not source code, and this is not open hardware. Driver code is still in the software realm. For compulab's PXA270 boards, this is their listed OS support: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-os-support.htm Since they list linux support presumably there is source but I would check to make sure before buying. Here: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/ They apparently use Angstrom and note that WiFi is currently not yet supported. For harware details, products like this will usually include enough documentation of the hardware to do any kind of interfacing you need, but it's not open hardware unless they provide the full schematics and gerber files to produce pcb boards. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers, Are they available for the Neo? No, Neo is not open hardware either. Even if it was it would not be easy to produce. I have a reflow oven and could do it, but I think it would end up costing just as much as buying one. Really open hardware would be if you get all the files to produce your own silicon :-) Yeah, and the interesting thing about ARM is that is does start that way. ARM is a fabless company, they only sell intellectual property. Licensees actually buy the source code to the hardware. http://www.arm.com/products/physicalip/product_overview.html If you want to make your own silicon ...grab this source hehe http://www.opencores.org/projects.cgi/web/core_arm/overview Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
On 22/10/2007, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Sutherland wrote: Compulab does have, and has always had, very interesting embedded boards. But before you get excited about this one The quantity 1 prices are 2.5x the listed prices which are for quantity 1000. Add in a GPS, GSM (not included in base), enough memory to be usable, and you'll be paying about US$600 for it. Plus $100 for shipping to North America. So unless somebody has the cash to buy 500 or 1000 of these, it's not going to be a DIY project anytime soon. does anyone know the word on openness of their hardware? i.e. are the modules they supply in binary form, or as code? the hardware looks fantastic and i've spent a while studying the specs, but if there's no open code, i'll stick with openmoko/neo1973 if they were open, i'm sure - having seen the interest for this project - we could come up with some sort of collective agreement for bulk-purchasing the hardware. sometime in the past i've seen a website that organises this sort of thing for buying TVs and music systems on the cheap. anyone? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Compulab does have, and has always had, very interesting embedded boards. does anyone know the word on openness of their hardware? If you want open hardware, Balloon boards at http://balloonboard.org/ seem the most likely candidate, buy enough and you can specify your own components http://balloonboard.org/hardware/buildoptions.html Buy them from http://balloonboard.org/balloonwiki/BalloonzCompany ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers, not source code, and this is not open hardware. Driver code is still in the software realm. For compulab's PXA270 boards, this is their listed OS support: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-os-support.htm Since they list linux support presumably there is source but I would check to make sure before buying. For harware details, products like this will usually include enough documentation of the hardware to do any kind of interfacing you need, but it's not open hardware unless they provide the full schematics and gerber files to produce pcb boards. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ Regarding CompuLab hardware does anyone know the word on openness of their hardware? i.e. are the modules they supply in binary form, or as code? the hardware looks fantastic and i've spent a while studying the specs, but if there's no open code, i'll stick with openmoko/neo1973 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Doug Sutherland wrote: Compulab does have, and has always had, very interesting embedded boards. But before you get excited about this one that the article states starting at $122 ... Unless they have changed their way of doing sales, you don't just buy one module, you buy an evaluation kit, which runs up close to $2000. Only after buying said kit can you buy just modules. Also, what is the starting at module? The quantity 1 prices are 2.5x the listed prices which are for quantity 1000. Add in a GPS, GSM (not included in base), enough memory to be usable, and you'll be paying about US$600 for it. Plus $100 for shipping to North America. So unless somebody has the cash to buy 500 or 1000 of these, it's not going to be a DIY project anytime soon. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Compulab does have, and has always had, very interesting embedded boards. But before you get excited about this one that the article states starting at $122 ... Unless they have changed their way of doing sales, you don't just buy one module, you buy an evaluation kit, which runs up close to $2000. Only after buying said kit can you buy just modules. Also, what is the starting at module? Probably not the one you would end up wanting. It's a very nice product but it will not be something you can put together for hundreds of dollars, read their web site for the details on how sales work, before getting too excited. Doug Sutherland Proficio Research http://www.proficio.ca/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm On Friday 19 October 2007, Peter Viani wrote: I'm sure many of you saw this on Engadget Mobile: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/18/compulabs-em-x270-brings-diy-to-sm artphones/ Pretty cool looking hardware. Oh the possibilities for the people that know more than I... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homebrew Open Phone
Peter Viani wrote: I'm sure many of you saw this on Engadget Mobile: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/18/compulabs-em-x270-brings-diy-to-smartphones/ Pretty cool looking hardware. Oh the possibilities for the people that know more than I... I agree, definitely cool. Now I just need to convince my employer to buy one for RD. Dave ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Homebrew Open Phone
I'm sure many of you saw this on Engadget Mobile: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/18/compulabs-em-x270-brings-diy-to-smartphones/ Pretty cool looking hardware. Oh the possibilities for the people that know more than I... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
