I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :((
Mike (or better everybody new to this project/list)! I'm in favor to welcome everybody on this list, to respect him and to help that his interest, effort and skills will be supported and answered that it is most efficent for him and the community. But as hard as I try to stay patient and friendly, I can't - I can see you only destructive here on this list - please leave this list and go shopping. So my mail is not motivated on two reasons 1. to please you to stop 2. and to replay in a way that new people comming to this project because of Seans call will not be put off because of your unspeakable noise here nor because of our reaction. But I think that Sean has found the right answer So when you are new to this project/list don't spend to much (or any) attention to the demands from anonymous Mike. On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Mike wrote: Johnathon let me phrase it like this- I love the help of the open source community, I'm a part of it myself. Which open source community? Are you only consuming help from communities? When you would be a developer, part of another open source community, why does you need to write anonoumous with a new mailaccount? But when it comes to whether or not I spend $350 plus an officially-unknown monthly price, and likely with a two year contract, then yea, I want big official advice with a golden seal of approval on a silver platter with a company logo in a spotlight and smiling showgirls on either side. Sorry, I can't take you serious - please stop writing anonymous here on this mailinglist (or better stop write on this mailinglist in general) and do not continous to kill an important threads with your %§)§ - who is paying you for creating silly noise on this list? Who is saying that you need a two year contract for phoning? I *would* have advices like: http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/usa.html http://www.prepaidgsm.net/en/international.html So for just 10US$ you could get an GSM SIMcard with 6US$ account for dialing - vallid for 15 days to test any GSM device in this area for voice calls: http://beyondwirelessgsm.com/coverage_map.php? (Do not think that his coverage is eaqual to GSM in USA general, nor that this orange coverage could not have areas without working network inbetween) Have you ever thought about to ask somebody of your town about GSM coverage and experiances in your region befor you bother us on this list? h? Have you ever thought to borrow a GSM device from somebody, or buying a cheap (used) GSM device and spend 10US$ to test the coverage of your town, of your room before spending more money - or singing a two year contract (that very likly is not needed)? But you do *not* worth any help - you are help--resistant Please go to the next phone shop with smiling showgirls (they are smiling because knowing that they could sell persons like you everything... ) and stop flooding this important mail thread about Wifi chips and call for GUI developers... Better leave this list, now! Thank you! rob PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would strengthen the community. But who like to strengthen our community don't do it in the style of Mike - there are more efficent ways to do this ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Robert Michel wrote: PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would strengthen the community. Yeah, through all that ranting I think I/we actually laid out which plans will/won't work very clearly. So, now anyone who will accept help from the list, can get it in a well refined/thought out manner. So in a very strange way, Thanks Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Guys/Gals, Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan I just decided to screw it and went with the $40/month plan. Some users have gotten away with the $20/month smartphone plan, and other users have not. It all depends on who you get on the phone. I figure it is a standard corporate thing for a company to issue overage charges, and refund them to those that complain, but let those that do not continue to pay them willingly. I can attest to the fact that communication within a phone company does not exist (used to work for BellSouth). Mike, from my personal experiences with Cingular, anytime I got overage charges from data, I refuted them and was credited back. All that is required is to threaten to switch usually. You do NOT have to sign a contract. Contracts are used to offer a discount on a phone, that you are not purchasing from them. All you would have to do is get a sim card from the carrier and have it activated with the voice/data plan you desire. All of this is from my 5 year experience with Cingular. I hope this will help. -Eric - Original Message From: Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]; community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:18:36 AM Subject: Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :(( Robert Michel wrote: PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would strengthen the community. Yeah, through all that ranting I think I/we actually laid out which plans will/won't work very clearly. So, now anyone who will accept help from the list, can get it in a well refined/thought out manner. So in a very strange way, Thanks Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Eric Heinemann wrote: Guys/Gals, Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan I just decided to screw it and went with the $40/month plan. Some users have gotten away with the $20/month smartphone plan, and other users have not. It all depends on who you get on the phone. I figure it is a standard corporate thing for a company to issue overage charges, and refund them to those that complain, but let those that do not continue to pay them willingly. I can attest to the fact that communication within a phone company does not exist (used to work for BellSouth). Mike, from my personal experiences with Cingular, anytime I got overage charges from data, I refuted them and was credited back. All that is required is to threaten to switch usually. You do NOT have to sign a contract. Contracts are used to offer a discount on a phone, that you are not purchasing from them. All you would have to do is get a sim card from the carrier and have it activated with the voice/data plan you desire. All of this is from my 5 year experience with Cingular. I hope this will help. -Eric Just for your information Eric, I talked with a rep from Cingular. He very clearly stated that the smartphone plan would work you just have to make sure that you use the correct APN (ie wap.cingular.com NOT isp.cingular.com or you WILL get the overage charges). So you are throwing away $20/month unless there are other reasons behind your decision. So to say it very clearly and concisely, The Neo will work with the Smartphone Connect plan from Cingular for $19.95/month As far as not having to sign a contract, I'm pretty sure that you could do it, but it will take some time and dedication. Meaning that when you ask the first person, they will tell you no...but if you keep going up the chain of command explaining that you are bringing your own phone then you MAY be able to bypass the contract. I make no promises on that one as this will depend on your own personable ability to negotiate and explain your case. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet connectivity with it. But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser, then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different than what you expect from it. Andreas___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Andreas Kostyrka wrote: well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet connectivity with it. But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser, then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different than what you expect from it. Andreas The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a requirement for you). But for basic browsing, it will work just fine. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andreas The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a requirement for you). But for basic browsing, it will work just fine. It's perhaps offtopic, but I run Cisco based VPN (using Linux vpnc) over my WRT54G NAT all the time with no issues whatsoever so NAT doesn't necessarily preclude you from using VPN. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That suggests that the isp apn does not use nat. If so that's cool. OTOH all (admittingly European carriers) do nat for internet access. OTOH the wap apns provide a walled garden that include a wap proxy that allows surfing http sites. Despite how many people associate internet==IE, having a proxy that allows http access, massaging the content when accessed is not normal Internet access. OTOH, one can build a tunnel through http, but it's a pita. add gprs speeds, plus the wap proxy and it gets a PITA. Andreas _ Ursprüngliche Mitteilung _ Betreff:Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( ( Autor: Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 14. März 2007 16:7:25 Andreas Kostyrka wrote: well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet connectivity with it. But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser, then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different than what you expect from it. Andreas The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a requirement for you). But for basic browsing, it will work just fine. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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NAT makes life harder for a VPN, but not impossible. The easiest case is if you've got a machine tucked away someplace that doesn't use NAT, you can use it as an openvpn server and have all the clients hidden behind NATed firewalls. That's actually what I do -- I've got an old machine under my desk named miskatonic.cs.nmsu.edu for a VPN server, with a client on my NATed home network, on somebody elses's NATed home network for theatre work, and on my laptop (which may be connected in any sort of weird and wonderful way depending on where I am at the moment). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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* Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070314 16:37]: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andreas The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a requirement for you). But for basic browsing, it will work just fine. It's perhaps offtopic, but I run Cisco based VPN (using Linux vpnc) over my WRT54G NAT all the time with no issues whatsoever so NAT doesn't necessarily preclude you from using VPN. Correctly, but some VPN protocols are usually not allowed in usual nat router setups. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
