Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On 18/07/2008, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok here are two ideas > > 1) Use mind mapping software using the existing links in the WIKI to let > people search / view the wiki info in a different way > > 2) Allow each page to be receive votes in the following ways > i) can give whole page or section of a page a rating (5=good info 1= bad or suspect or outofdate) ii) people can see when the votes were given ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Ok here are two ideas 1) Use mind mapping software using the existing links in the WIKI to let people search / view the wiki info in a different way 2) Allow each page to be receive votes in the following ways On 18/07/2008, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:23:39PM -0700, steve wrote: > > The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since > > information just get posted. > > On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. > > > > So... Solutions welcomed. > > This is what the wiki editors are for: if someone puts something in > the "wrong" place, they move it to a more suitable one. It'll just > take a little time to work out what the right places should be. > > Hugo. > > -- > === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | > lug.org.uk === > PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk > --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iD4DBQFIgEznIKyzvlFcI40RAo6qAKCA+S6Ol9ZhWRLqmydZ7WiKxWUJjACYxUqf > xT03LrQVLwOy59K4klhcCQ== > =ox9r > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:23:39PM -0700, steve wrote: > The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since > information just get posted. > On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. > > So... Solutions welcomed. This is what the wiki editors are for: if someone puts something in the "wrong" place, they move it to a more suitable one. It'll just take a little time to work out what the right places should be. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 03:29:11PM -0500, Steven ** wrote: > I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't > like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or > just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the > wiki so powerful. > > If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it > down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they > aren't worried "regular" users might edit it. My local LUG set up a wiki several years ago. So many people were afraid of editing the wiki, eliciting the response, "Well, it *is* a wiki...", that we eventually had people turning up to meetings with the phrase printed on their t-shirts. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Yes, these tree parts is the core of wiki. The most important . Brenda steve wrote: > Organizing the wiki is a monumental task. > > My suggestion for the front page was three categories as opposed to your 5 > > 1. Products. > 2. Developer resources. > 3. Community. > > No system will be perfect and no organization of data will suit everyone > since we all carve > The world up in different ways. > > That said, I would not object to the 5 categories you suggest. > > The biggest issue is the massive amount of knowledge the community generates > about the devices. > > This knowledge needs to be structured and disseminated. > > Easier said than done. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:19 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Cc: steve; Brenda Wang > Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly > outdated and incomplete documentation." > > Hi there, > > I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing > the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ > wiki/Distributions > > But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the "Current > software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? > > Perhaps these 5 categories: >Introduction to Openmoko >Openmoko Products >Join Openmoko development >Openmoko community >Getting started with Openmoko Wiki > should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? > > Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the "Introduction to > Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As a user I feel reluctant > to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" > to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you > wish me to feel free. > > Stroller. > > > > On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > > >> Brenda >> >> The main page index does not address Scotts issue. >> >> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of >> mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." >> >> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki >> more easy to use. >> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this >> Index page. >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >> Brenda >> >> Scott Derrick ??: >> >>> Perhaps this is what you seek? >>> >>> >>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM >>> Wiki. >>> >>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >>> >>> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >>> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never >>> know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it >>> existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. >>> >>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on >>> the search engine, it sucks.. >>> >>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >>> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >>> things instead of thwarting you. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
I put Distributions page link on mainpage , now . On the Join Openmoko development Every one can find this links on Distributions section. Thanks for reminding. And feel free to let me know , what else I miss? or ??? Brenda Stroller wrote: > Hi there, > > I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by > editing the main page & adding a link to > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the > "Current software stack" link to > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack ?? > > Perhaps these 5 categories: > Introduction to Openmoko > Openmoko Products > Join Openmoko development > Openmoko community > Getting started with Openmoko Wiki > should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? > > Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the > "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As > a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" > to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly > if you wish me to feel free. > > Stroller. > > > > On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > >> Brenda >> >> The main page index does not address Scotts issue. >> >> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly >> outdated and incomplete documentation." >> >> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki >> more easy >> to use. >> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this >> Index >> page. >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >> Brenda >> >> Scott Derrick ??: >>> Perhaps this is what you seek? >>> >>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM >>> Wiki. >>> >>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >>> >>> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >>> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know >>> it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was >>> Software/distributions/distributions.. >>> >>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the >>> search engine, it sucks.. >>> >>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >>> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >>> things instead of thwarting you. >>> >>> Scott >>> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Ok. Finally! Done.
The main page is built up from, as I perceive it, an ugly mess of
templates.
The box underneath the green "Introduction to Openmoko" (containing
the "Original core team" ... "Why Openmoko?" links) is put there by
referencing Template:Mainpage - this contains nothign but the box and
inside that {{submenu}}. Template:Submenu, then contains the actual
words and links of "Original core team" ... "Why Openmoko?".
Sorry to clutter the main list with this - I'll be off of here (as
far as this subject goes) immediately the wiki mailing-list is
created - but can anyone familiar with big wikis tell me if this is
normal?
I'm all for breaking big wossisnames into components, but this seems
a little excessive - I had to visit 3 pages in order to edit a single
link.
Stroller.
On 17 Jul 2008, at 21:29, Steven ** wrote:
> I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't
> like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or
> just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the
> wiki so powerful.
>
> If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it
> down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they
> aren't worried "regular" users might edit it.
>
> -Steven
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by
>> editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/
>> wiki/Distributions
>>
>> But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the
>> "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/
>> NeoSoftwareStack ??
>>
>> Perhaps these 5 categories:
>> Introduction to Openmoko
>> Openmoko Products
>> Join Openmoko development
>> Openmoko community
>> Getting started with Openmoko Wiki
>> should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"?
>>
>> Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the
>> "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As
>> a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs"
>> to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly
>> if you wish me to feel free.
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote:
>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>> The main page index does not address Scotts issue.
>>>
>>> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well.
>>>
>>> A good start would be a better search engine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda
>>> Wang
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
>>> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of
>>> mostly
>>> outdated and incomplete documentation."
>>>
>>> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko.
>>> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki
>>> more easy
>>> to use.
>>> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use
>>> this Index
>>> page.
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>> Scott Derrick ??:
>>>> Perhaps this is what you seek?
>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the
>>>> OM Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the
>>>> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I
>>>> search
>>>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never
>>>> know
>>>> it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it
>>>> existed was
>>>> Software/distributions/distributions..
>>>>
>>>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and
>>>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on
>>>> the
>>>> search engine, it sucks..
>>>>
>>>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the
>>>> OpenWRT
>>>> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find
>>>> things instead of thwarting you.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>
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RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried "regular" users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by > editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ > wiki/Distributions > > But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the > "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ > NeoSoftwareStack ?? > > Perhaps these 5 categories: > Introduction to Openmoko > Openmoko Products > Join Openmoko development > Openmoko community > Getting started with Openmoko Wiki > should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? > > Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the > "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As > a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" > to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly > if you wish me to feel free. > > Stroller. > > > > On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > >> Brenda >> >> The main page index does not address Scotts issue. >> >> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda >> Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of >> mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." >> >> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki >> more easy to use. >> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this >> Index page. >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >> Brenda >> >> Scott Derrick ??: >>> Perhaps this is what you seek? >>> >>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM >>> Wiki. >>> >>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >>> >>> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >>> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never >>> know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it >>> existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. >>> >>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on >>> the search engine, it sucks.. >>> >>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >>> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >>> things instead of thwarting you. >>> >>> Scott >>> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Organizing the wiki is a monumental task. My suggestion for the front page was three categories as opposed to your 5 1. Products. 2. Developer resources. 3. Community. No system will be perfect and no organization of data will suit everyone since we all carve The world up in different ways. That said, I would not object to the 5 categories you suggest. The biggest issue is the massive amount of knowledge the community generates about the devices. This knowledge needs to be structured and disseminated. Easier said than done. -Original Message- From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:19 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve; Brenda Wang Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > Brenda > > The main page index does not address Scotts issue. > > I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. > > A good start would be a better search engine > > > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of > mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." > > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki > more easy to use. > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this > Index page. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Brenda > > Scott Derrick ??: >> Perhaps this is what you seek? >> >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>> >>> >>> >> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM >> Wiki. >> >> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >> >> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never >> know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it >> existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. >> >> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on >> the search engine, it sucks.. >> >> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >> things instead of thwarting you. >> >> Scott >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
AVee wrote: > On Thursday 17 July 2008 23:35, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >>> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more >>> easy to use. >>> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this >>> Index page. >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page >>> >>> Brenda >>> >> I'm going to upset some people with this post, but I think it's >> necessary. When I speak English, I make a conscious effort to be clear >> and to use correct grammar. That is because when non-native English >> speakers must communicate in English we often have trouble with the >> sentence structure and lack of gender to identify subjects. >> >> I think that whoever maintains the wiki should have a very firm grasp >> of English grammar. Not necessarily a native speaker (as they often >> have bad grammar in my opinion, probably because they have no trouble >> deciphering the meaning of the sentence anyway). I mean no offense, >> Brenda, but English with Asian grammar (I'm assuming Asian based on >> the grammar style and your last name) is very difficult to read and >> understand. I hope that my criticism is seen as constructive and not >> personal, because I mean no offense yet I'd like to see the wiki >> maintained by someone more qualified. >> > > I think you do raise a valid point. However, I also think it perfectly ok to > seperate the purely content related redaction from the linguistic issues. As > far as I can see there is absolutely no problem with the content itself. > Maybe someone should proofread it before it's posted. Or after it is posted, > it's a wiki after all, you really should just correct any errors you find. > > AVee > > We should encourage people to dump their knowledge, if it's accurate, it's valuable.Spelling and grammar are quick edits. I would hate to think someone wants to contribute but doesn't because they feel their language skills aren't good enough. Useful content will attract more eyes, which in turn will improve the likelihood of errors being spotted. I for one, am a shocking typist and have appalling spelling but my grammar is reasonable. Hoorah for little red lines under words. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On Thursday 17 July 2008 23:35, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more > > easy to use. > > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this > > Index page. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > Brenda > > I'm going to upset some people with this post, but I think it's > necessary. When I speak English, I make a conscious effort to be clear > and to use correct grammar. That is because when non-native English > speakers must communicate in English we often have trouble with the > sentence structure and lack of gender to identify subjects. > > I think that whoever maintains the wiki should have a very firm grasp > of English grammar. Not necessarily a native speaker (as they often > have bad grammar in my opinion, probably because they have no trouble > deciphering the meaning of the sentence anyway). I mean no offense, > Brenda, but English with Asian grammar (I'm assuming Asian based on > the grammar style and your last name) is very difficult to read and > understand. I hope that my criticism is seen as constructive and not > personal, because I mean no offense yet I'd like to see the wiki > maintained by someone more qualified. I think you do raise a valid point. However, I also think it perfectly ok to seperate the purely content related redaction from the linguistic issues. As far as I can see there is absolutely no problem with the content itself. Maybe someone should proofread it before it's posted. Or after it is posted, it's a wiki after all, you really should just correct any errors you find. AVee -- It isn't an optical illusion. It just looks like one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more > easy to use. > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this > Index page. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Brenda > I'm going to upset some people with this post, but I think it's necessary. When I speak English, I make a conscious effort to be clear and to use correct grammar. That is because when non-native English speakers must communicate in English we often have trouble with the sentence structure and lack of gender to identify subjects. I think that whoever maintains the wiki should have a very firm grasp of English grammar. Not necessarily a native speaker (as they often have bad grammar in my opinion, probably because they have no trouble deciphering the meaning of the sentence anyway). I mean no offense, Brenda, but English with Asian grammar (I'm assuming Asian based on the grammar style and your last name) is very difficult to read and understand. I hope that my criticism is seen as constructive and not personal, because I mean no offense yet I'd like to see the wiki maintained by someone more qualified. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried "regular" users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by > editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ > wiki/Distributions > > But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the > "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ > NeoSoftwareStack ?? > > Perhaps these 5 categories: > Introduction to Openmoko > Openmoko Products > Join Openmoko development > Openmoko community > Getting started with Openmoko Wiki > should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? > > Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the > "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As > a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" > to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly > if you wish me to feel free. > > Stroller. > > > > On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > >> Brenda >> >> The main page index does not address Scotts issue. >> >> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of >> mostly >> outdated and incomplete documentation." >> >> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki >> more easy >> to use. >> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use >> this Index >> page. >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page >> >> Brenda >> >> Scott Derrick ??: >>> Perhaps this is what you seek? >>> >>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the >>> OM Wiki. >>> >>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >>> >>> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >>> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never >>> know >>> it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was >>> Software/distributions/distributions.. >>> >>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on >>> the >>> search engine, it sucks.. >>> >>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >>> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >>> things instead of thwarting you. >>> >>> Scott >>> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs" to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: > Brenda > > The main page index does not address Scotts issue. > > I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. > > A good start would be a better search engine > > > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of > mostly > outdated and incomplete documentation." > > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki > more easy > to use. > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use > this Index > page. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page > > Brenda > > Scott Derrick ??: >> Perhaps this is what you seek? >> >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >>> >>> >>> >> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the >> OM Wiki. >> >> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. >> >> But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the >> FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search >> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never >> know >> it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was >> Software/distributions/distributions.. >> >> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and >> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on >> the >> search engine, it sucks.. >> >> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT >> Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find >> things instead of thwarting you. >> >> Scott >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Brenda The main page index does not address Scotts issue. I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. A good start would be a better search engine Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: > Perhaps this is what you seek? > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> >> > This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. > > Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. > > But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the > FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search > for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know > it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was > Software/distributions/distributions.. > > There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and > layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the > search engine, it sucks.. > > I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT > Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find > things instead of thwarting you. > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: > Perhaps this is what you seek? > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> >> > This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. > > Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. > > But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the > FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search > for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know > it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was > Software/distributions/distributions.. > > There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and > layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the > search engine, it sucks.. > > I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT > Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things > instead of thwarting you. > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Make pages easy to find is always the first priority of wiki management. I agree with you . Openmoko wiki has thousands of pages, not easy to find everything. So, we just made a Index page, every page will listed on it. Then , I had made each wiki page of Openmoko had their own category since Feb, 2008. These will help people easy to find the pages. Brenda Scott Derrick ??: > Perhaps this is what you seek? > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> >> > This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. > > Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. > > But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the > FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search > for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know > it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was > Software/distributions/distributions.. > > There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and > layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the > search engine, it sucks.. > > I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT > Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things > instead of thwarting you. > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
you can find the test reports here: http://people.openmoko.org/testing/software/ On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know the devel list gets some official looking test results for each > of the main apps posted about once a week. I believe there was even a > summary report in pdf form. I think that testing was against the ASU. > So, at least you could get a pretty good status on that image. > > -Steven > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Stroller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 15 Jul 2008, at 19:45, John Reese wrote: >> >>> Stroller wrote: I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about calendaring?" Many Linux enthusiasts LOVE the idea of a completely open phone and they're willing to sacrifice features for that right now, because they know (and love!) the fact that Open-Source Software will fix that for them in the future. As long as they can make calls, send texts then they're happy with a alpha software, but one user worries about email or battery life, another needs a browser. It would be great to have a single page one could point them to (perhaps telling them which image to use if they need a specific feature, best call stability or audio quality) - right now I can't find a page that answers their questions, but I don't want to start a new one because *surely* there must already be one?? >>> >>> Perhaps this is what you seek? >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> That's a pretty good start - thanks for bringing it to my attention. >> >> ISTM that this answers half the question. >> >> What I'm seeing a lot of on IRC is: >> "is anyone using the Freerunner as their main phone?" >> "how reliable is it?" >> "how featureful is it when the FR is used as a main phone?" >> >> The "telephony" line of the Distributions wiki page suggests that >> OM2007.2, FSO, ASU & Qtopia all work equally well. >> I don't think that's actually the case, is it? >> >> A thinking-about-buying-a-Freerunner FAQ would be great. The existing >> FAQ is simply too long and cumbersome. >> >> The thing about telling a Linux enthusiast that "it's alpha quality" >> is we're all gung ho to try anyway. We're all glad to fix stuff and >> write bash scripts to the best of our ability, but without a decent >> summary of the status it's kinda hard to know whether our abilities >> meet the challenge. >> >> This is probably better suited to the new wiki list. We'll discuss it >> further there when Steve sets it up. >> >> Stroller. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
I know the devel list gets some official looking test results for each of the main apps posted about once a week. I believe there was even a summary report in pdf form. I think that testing was against the ASU. So, at least you could get a pretty good status on that image. -Steven On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 15 Jul 2008, at 19:45, John Reese wrote: > >> Stroller wrote: >>> I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the >>> wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not >>> satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to >>> know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about >>> calendaring?" Many Linux enthusiasts LOVE the idea of a completely >>> open phone and they're willing to sacrifice features for that right >>> now, because they know (and love!) the fact that Open-Source Software >>> will fix that for them in the future. As long as they can make calls, >>> send texts then they're happy with a alpha software, but one user >>> worries about email or battery life, another needs a browser. It >>> would be great to have a single page one could point them to (perhaps >>> telling them which image to use if they need a specific feature, best >>> call stability or audio quality) - right now I can't find a page that >>> answers their questions, but I don't want to start a new one because >>> *surely* there must already be one?? >> >> Perhaps this is what you seek? >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > That's a pretty good start - thanks for bringing it to my attention. > > ISTM that this answers half the question. > > What I'm seeing a lot of on IRC is: > "is anyone using the Freerunner as their main phone?" > "how reliable is it?" > "how featureful is it when the FR is used as a main phone?" > > The "telephony" line of the Distributions wiki page suggests that > OM2007.2, FSO, ASU & Qtopia all work equally well. > I don't think that's actually the case, is it? > > A thinking-about-buying-a-Freerunner FAQ would be great. The existing > FAQ is simply too long and cumbersome. > > The thing about telling a Linux enthusiast that "it's alpha quality" > is we're all gung ho to try anyway. We're all glad to fix stuff and > write bash scripts to the best of our ability, but without a decent > summary of the status it's kinda hard to know whether our abilities > meet the challenge. > > This is probably better suited to the new wiki list. We'll discuss it > further there when Steve sets it up. > > Stroller. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On 15 Jul 2008, at 19:45, John Reese wrote: > Stroller wrote: >> I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the >> wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not >> satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to >> know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about >> calendaring?" Many Linux enthusiasts LOVE the idea of a completely >> open phone and they're willing to sacrifice features for that right >> now, because they know (and love!) the fact that Open-Source Software >> will fix that for them in the future. As long as they can make calls, >> send texts then they're happy with a alpha software, but one user >> worries about email or battery life, another needs a browser. It >> would be great to have a single page one could point them to (perhaps >> telling them which image to use if they need a specific feature, best >> call stability or audio quality) - right now I can't find a page that >> answers their questions, but I don't want to start a new one because >> *surely* there must already be one?? > > Perhaps this is what you seek? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions That's a pretty good start - thanks for bringing it to my attention. ISTM that this answers half the question. What I'm seeing a lot of on IRC is: "is anyone using the Freerunner as their main phone?" "how reliable is it?" "how featureful is it when the FR is used as a main phone?" The "telephony" line of the Distributions wiki page suggests that OM2007.2, FSO, ASU & Qtopia all work equally well. I don't think that's actually the case, is it? A thinking-about-buying-a-Freerunner FAQ would be great. The existing FAQ is simply too long and cumbersome. The thing about telling a Linux enthusiast that "it's alpha quality" is we're all gung ho to try anyway. We're all glad to fix stuff and write bash scripts to the best of our ability, but without a decent summary of the status it's kinda hard to know whether our abilities meet the challenge. This is probably better suited to the new wiki list. We'll discuss it further there when Steve sets it up. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Scott Derrick wrote: > But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the > FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search > for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know > it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was > Software/distributions/distributions.. It is linked from Latest_Images which itself is linked from the Getting Started pages. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Perhaps this is what you seek? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the search engine, it sucks.. I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things instead of thwarting you. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right now I'm happy to edit Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps, but not the > Openmoko wiki and I'm not sure why that is. I've seen something FWIW, what I do if I don't feel comfortable enough editing a page on the (Openmoko) wiki - I simply add my comments to the discussion for that page. Then someone else can read it and do the edit of the actual page, if they feel that my comments / suggestions are good. Of course, this only works if somebody else actually reads the discussions for the pages... HTH -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
Stroller wrote: > I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the > wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not > satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to > know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about > calendaring?" Many Linux enthusiasts LOVE the idea of a completely > open phone and they're willing to sacrifice features for that right > now, because they know (and love!) the fact that Open-Source Software > will fix that for them in the future. As long as they can make calls, > send texts then they're happy with a alpha software, but one user > worries about email or battery life, another needs a browser. It > would be great to have a single page one could point them to (perhaps > telling them which image to use if they need a specific feature, best > call stability or audio quality) - right now I can't find a page that > answers their questions, but I don't want to start a new one because > *surely* there must already be one?? Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
On 15 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Curtis Vaughan wrote: > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use > MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be > used as > an FR community wiki. I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is with the INFORMATION, not the platform it's contained on. Ken mentions that the OpenWRT Wiki (which I too have found useful) is maintained by the developers. And I think there's a lot of truth in the statement that people are reluctant to edit the Openmoko wiki at present. Do Openmoko's developers spend any time editing the wiki? I know they've got loads of other things to do, but maybe just a few minutes dedicated each day would provide some direction. One great thing about wikis is that you can make a quick edit to them "this doesn't work for me, I had to do X" and then someone else can clean up later on, "there are two methods of undertaking this task, depending upon your hardware version; GTA02 requires X but earlier models require Y". Someone else suggested that "clean up" tags might be added to articles. I think "citation needed", "is this true?" and "GTA01 / GTA02 differences?" tags might be useful, too. As I understand it if tags or templates or whatever are used for these then they can be summarised by looking at a single "pages which use this template" page. This allows contributors to easily see what is in need of editing or correction. Right now I'm happy to edit Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps, but not the Openmoko wiki and I'm not sure why that is. I've seen something similar with the Gentoo Wiki, where people seem generally reluctant to edit stuff they don't "own". Articles are great and comprehensive when someone takes the initiative to start them, but over time they become outdated and - after the original author has lost interest - no-one takes the time to put much effort into them. I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about calendaring?" Many Linux enthusiasts LOVE the idea of a completely open phone and they're willing to sacrifice features for that right now, because they know (and love!) the fact that Open-Source Software will fix that for them in the future. As long as they can make calls, send texts then they're happy with a alpha software, but one user worries about email or battery life, another needs a browser. It would be great to have a single page one could point them to (perhaps telling them which image to use if they need a specific feature, best call stability or audio quality) - right now I can't find a page that answers their questions, but I don't want to start a new one because *surely* there must already be one?? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
