RE: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
>I am sure Jobs and company are not blind to >the strength of open source software and the >boon it would provide if they made a freely >available dev kit for the phone. As someone who worked at Apple for ten years, I can assure you that, for the most part, "Jobs and company" haven't got the slightest interest in open source software, other than a minimal amount of stuff available under a BSD-like license, allowing them to take it, do what they want with it, and then keep it to themselves. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
AhI see. /shrug. --Tim On 6/5/07, David Schlesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am sure Jobs and company are not blind to >the strength of open source software and the >boon it would provide if they made a freely >available dev kit for the phone. As someone who worked at Apple for ten years, I can assure you that, for the most part, "Jobs and company" haven't got the slightest interest in open source software, other than a minimal amount of stuff available under a BSD-like license, allowing them to take it, do what they want with it, and then keep it to themselves. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
OK.. We can't have it both ways guys Half the time we are talking about getting to the point where openmoko and neo1973 can get the phone companies to take notice and possibly bundle the phone with their service.. And the other half we're talking about how Apple could not have done the same thing. The fact is we don't know other than some vague comments at the moment. On the one hand, supposedly the iphone is based on osx (true or false?) which is based on BSD (true or false?). BSD is a unix flavor right? So are they porting BSD to the phone similar to linux with openmoko? If so... Why can't they just use a similar development environment to openmoko... I.e. Gcc for BSD? Which flavor of BSD is it based on? I am sure Jobs and company are not blind to the strength of open source software and the boon it would provide if they made a freely available dev kit for the phone. Maybe its time to start thinking about other things that differentiate us from them... If they are open now (I.e. Not talking about being able to replace the os with a customized version though that may be one thing...), then it will be content, variety, availability and ease of use which drive consumer adoption... (From my point of view anyway). --Tim On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:35, kenneth marken wrote: Todd W wrote: From: "Tim Newsom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So apparently Jobs decided to allow 3rd party software on the phone after all... Interesting development. Yes, but how are they going to _support_ it? or for that matter, how many hoops do you have to jump thru to get your app onto the phone? i belive jobs at one time used the word "simple" to talk about the kind of apps one would be allowed to make (or move from osx to the phone iirc). so for all we know they are planing to make one able to create something similar to dashboard widgets but not much else. i just cant shake the feeling that the iphone will be a highly controlled environment, with apple as the guardian. hell, they have partnered up with AT&T. and isnt mobile operators in the US notorious for locking down what phones can or cant do? i recall reading about bluetooth file transfer being removed and similar so that one had to use their network to transfer data to and from the phone and similar. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
As of yet, AT&T hasn't disabled bluetooth like you mention. I bought a phone from Cingular/AT&T only a couple months ago. (I chose them because I wanted a GSM phone so I could play with the Neo when it's available). I'm able to transfer music, pics, and other files from my computer to the phone without issue. My brother has a chocolate phone from Verizon, and can't move files from his computer to the phone via usb nor bluetooth. I think what you're saying may be true for Verizon and Sprint. --Steve On 6/5/07, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hell, they have partnered up with AT&T. and isnt mobile operators in the US notorious for locking down what phones can or cant do? i recall reading about bluetooth file transfer being removed and similar so that one had to use their network to transfer data to and from the phone and similar. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
Todd W wrote: From: "Tim Newsom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So apparently Jobs decided to allow 3rd party software on the phone after all... Interesting development. Yes, but how are they going to _support_ it? or for that matter, how many hoops do you have to jump thru to get your app onto the phone? i belive jobs at one time used the word "simple" to talk about the kind of apps one would be allowed to make (or move from osx to the phone iirc). so for all we know they are planing to make one able to create something similar to dashboard widgets but not much else. i just cant shake the feeling that the iphone will be a highly controlled environment, with apple as the guardian. hell, they have partnered up with AT&T. and isnt mobile operators in the US notorious for locking down what phones can or cant do? i recall reading about bluetooth file transfer being removed and similar so that one had to use their network to transfer data to and from the phone and similar. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
From: "Tim Newsom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So apparently Jobs decided to allow 3rd party software on the phone after all... Interesting development. Yes, but how are they going to _support_ it? People complain about how much windows development tools cost. For $299.00 you can get a copy of VS.NET and develop moble apps that make your device do whatever you want. Todd W. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Iphone 3rd party development allowed...
So apparently Jobs decided to allow 3rd party software on the phone after all... Interesting development. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
