Is Google developing a phone after all?
Sorry to bring up the whole google phone thing again, but... I read the arm-linux Mailing list. Yesterday, Brian Swetland (Linux Kernel Lead, Android Project, Google) posted, announcing the public git tree for the Qualcomm MSM7K. This could just be the platform the android guys have been using for development. However, why would they go to all the trouble of porting Linux to a new SoC when there are many other already supported SoCs they could have used to develop on? I think this could be evidence that Google IS developing their own phone after all, one which will run Android. As I've already mentioned, another interesting thing I noticed was one of the Open Handset Alliance's members - The Astonishing Tribe (http://www.tat.se). They have some pretty slick GUI demos and their Kastor graphics engine supports OpenGL ES acceleration. Now look at the Qualcomm MSM7K's specs (http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp). Notice the high-end 3D accelerator. 1) I think Google IS developing their own phone after all 2) I think that phone will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K 3) I think Android will be using Kastor as a rendering engine 4) If so, Android will look a lot like the Kastor demos on tat's website. (e.g. http://www.tat.se/images/demo/kastor_platform_01.mp4) Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : 1) I think Google IS developing their own phone after all 2) I think that phone will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K 3) I think Android will be using Kastor as a rendering engine 4) If so, Android will look a lot like the Kastor demos on tat's website. (e.g. http://www.tat.se/images/demo/kastor_platform_01.mp4) It's probably a reference platform and one for developers. A bare minimum specification. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Is Google developing a phone after all?
1) I think Google IS developing their own phone after all 2) I think that phone will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K 3) I think Android will be using Kastor as a rendering engine 4) If so, Android will look a lot like the Kastor demos on tat's website. (e.g. http://www.tat.se/images/demo/kastor_platform_01.mp4) It's probably a reference platform and one for developers. A bare minimum specification. It can't be the bare minimum as they've already said the minimum is an ARM9 and that Qualcomm is an ARM11. Plus, why port to a new platform when there are plenty of development kits for ARM9 (and event ARM11 these days) which support Linux out of the box. They could have used a Gumstix. They didn't, they ported Linux to a completely new family of SoC - no simple task. Just ask the OpenMoko Kernel developers! :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
On Friday 09 November 2007 15:00:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: development. However, why would they go to all the trouble of porting Linux to a new SoC when there are many other already supported SoCs they could have used to develop on? I think this could be evidence that Google IS developing their own phone after all, one which will run Android. I wouldn't be surprised if Google made a prototype/reference phone, for testing (just like Trolltech did with the Greenphone) and to eliminate any hardware obstacles/delays that might be caused by other manufacturers. I'm not that certain that this automatically means this phone will be a mainstream product pushed to end users. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
Hi thomas, thanx for investigating, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I've already mentioned, another interesting thing I noticed was one of the Open Handset Alliance's members - The Astonishing Tribe (http://www.tat.se). But why joined TAT on the 5 november, the day of the press release? isn't this a little bit late or just another reason to believe they use TAT, cause they don't wanted to spoil the whole thing with TAT oh their list even earlier? stefan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Is Google developing a phone after all?
But why joined TAT on the 5 november, the day of the press release? isn't this a little bit late or just another reason to believe they use TAT, cause they don't wanted to spoil the whole thing with TAT oh their list even earlier? Good question... I had assumed 5th November is just when the announcement came out and that they had been working together behind closed doors for some time. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
Dnia piątek, 9 listopada 2007, Attila Csipa napisał: I wouldn't be surprised if Google made a prototype/reference phone, for testing (just like Trolltech did with the Greenphone) and to eliminate any hardware obstacles/delays that might be caused by other manufacturers. Trolltech did not produced Greenphone - it is product of external company. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant bloody internet there was once peace and then the internet came in :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
Dnia piątek, 9 listopada 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: announcing the public git tree for the Qualcomm MSM7K. This could just be the platform the android guys have been using for development. However, why would they go to all the trouble of porting Linux to a new SoC when there are many other already supported SoCs they could have used to develop on? I think this could be evidence that Google IS developing their own phone after all, one which will run Android. They want atleast UMTS in phone and Qualcomm is one of vendors which has own UMTS implementation. And probably it allows to use one chip as main CPU and as baseband CPU. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Programming consists of 50% planning, 50% coding and 30% mathematics ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
On Friday 09 November 2007 16:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I think Google IS developing their own phone after all 2) I think that phone will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K 3) I think Android will be using Kastor as a rendering engine 4) If so, Android will look a lot like the Kastor demos on tat's website. (e.g. http://www.tat.se/images/demo/kastor_platform_01.mp4) It's probably a reference platform and one for developers. A bare minimum specification. It can't be the bare minimum as they've already said the minimum is an ARM9 and that Qualcomm is an ARM11. Plus, why port to a new platform when there are plenty of development kits for ARM9 (and event ARM11 these days) which support Linux out of the box. They could have used a Gumstix. They didn't, they ported Linux to a completely new family of SoC - no simple task. Just ask the OpenMoko Kernel developers! :-) But did anybody say it was google's idea to use this SoC first? Qualcomm is part of this consortium, and I guess they are only there because they hope it allows them to sell more chips. I can imagine Qualcomm presuring Google to implement on their latest-greatest chip first. If this platform runs on a dozen SoCs from a dozen manufacturers from the beginning there little reason left for Qualcomm to join, but now they may become the first manufacturer with a 'Android capable' SoC. I doubt google will release a phone of their own, but it is indeed higly likely that the first Android phone will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K. That's what consortiums are about, doing each other those kind of favors. AVee -- It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. -- Douglas Adams ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?
On Friday 09 November 2007 17:43:25 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia piątek, 9 listopada 2007, Attila Csipa napisał: I wouldn't be surprised if Google made a prototype/reference phone, for testing (just like Trolltech did with the Greenphone) and to eliminate any hardware obstacles/delays that might be caused by other manufacturers. Trolltech did not produced Greenphone - it is product of external company. If you mean produced as in manufactured, that's just as the Neo is AFAIK produced by FIC and the phone mentioned by the OP is produced by Qualcom... You really have to be a big player to have your own successful and economically viable in-house production. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
