Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 8/31/07, Mike Hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Where on any official blogs/websites have you seen the OpenMoko team > or FIC say that they were making an "iPhone killer" or "anti-iPhone?" It looks like Apple have beaten FIC to the punch anyway: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm Give me a phone that isn't actively fighting against me, anyday! Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of posts on > this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think > people might have changed their minds.. > > > This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone > until it has a reliable dialer. Until then you cant really call it a > phone... I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking bullet > proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess with it.. Alternatively, the community ML traffic might have decreased because people can now actually work on their phones, which feels infinitely better than talking about possible work on it... increased traffic in other lists has got to be coincidence. I dunno. Just a guess. Darn, I must have missed Sean's announcement that the software was in working condition when GTA01 shipped. Bummer, I could have replaced my nokia before the neo ran out of stock. Updating your phone might not be such a bad idea. Word has it the dialer and a host of other things have been working well for a little while now. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 6 Sep 2007, at 18:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of posts on this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think people might have changed their minds.. This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone until it has a reliable dialer. Until then you cant really call it a phone... I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking bullet proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess with it.. IMHO it takes a long time, too long to get the feel of the build system. Then you hit build problems and if you don't have much time to devote due to work commitments it is tough. If the build and development was possible using a Gnome IDE it would save a lot of time. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
> second revision. A few thousand devices being sold in a month shows > that there is some demand for a real GNU/Linux running phone, does it > not? I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of posts on this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think people might have changed their minds.. This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone until it has a reliable dialer. Until then you cant really call it a phone... I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking bullet proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess with it.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Daniel Eran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > TMobile only owns 1900 MHz transponders, which are high enough to be > problematic. That means subscribers have to roam on AT&T to use 850 MHz. 1900 is the standard US frequency, and 850 is the non-standard. My nearly four year old tri-band European phone Just Works (tm) on T-Mobile which is why I got T-Mobile; it was painful having to wait *years* for 850 versions of phones to be released in the US (which is luckily not so much of an issue now). What is wrong with 1900? I've never had any issues even when five years ago in the Carolinas when the Cingular and T-Mobile coverage areas were really crap. I suspect your phone has a bad antenna as the tower being a few meters taller really shouldn't affect the signal much when you can be a mile or so away. AT&T also has a significant amount of 1900. Their entire network in the Carolinas is 1900 at least (I know as I travel there often and I can roam without issue and my phone does not do 850). > even smaller market than AT&T's US version of UMTS. T-Mobile uses > non-standard frequencies that only a quad band phone could use, and > then only hitting on one cylinder out of four. I've been a T-Mobile > customer for years, One cyclinder out of four? Please explain what you mean by this. If you mean that the data transfer speeds or some such are slow becuse you can't allocate all slots at once I think you are wrong. I am on a GPRS connection right now, and I generally get the fully 40 k/s down that my device is capable of except around nine p.m. or so (I'm guessing when everyone jumps on to use their 'free' time). > No I'm not. I had more to say about FIC than OpenMoko. I'm just > pointing out that buying an FIC phone isn't sticking it to Microsoft > in any sense beyond buying a Dell Windows PC and then installing > Linux. It has no market effect at all. How does buying a phone that is capable of running Windows mobile help *or* hurt Microsoft? They are not getting a Windows license fee from the hardware. Your analogy does not hold -- Microsoft gets money when you buy a machine with Windows installed. The Neo1973 is more like buying an os-less machine. Your conclusion that there is no market effect does mostly hold, but at the same time there seems to be a slight effect: the gta01 Neo1973 appears to have sold at least two full production runs and FIC is going ahead with the production of a second revision. A few thousand devices being sold in a month shows that there is some demand for a real GNU/Linux running phone, does it not? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Myth Busting FTW
Thanks, Mike, for forwarding his responses. It's been interesting to hear more about his point of view from his original scathing article. Like many others, I couldn't finish reading his blog article either. -id Mike Hodson wrote: And what appears to be a final reply from Dan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Eran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Myth Busting FTW To: Mike Hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, I have a dim view of providers overall. I also realize the US mobile system is really bad, and have written before detailing the history of how things got the way they are, as well as what problems I see specifically. I'm not trying to run down T-mobile, only pointing out that the arguments that the iPhone is tied to AT&T in some bizarre and evil way are overblown. Tmobile doesn't really offer much in the US, although I'm sure things are slightly different in various regions , such as Vermont, which has no AT&T service. I also made comments about the GSM/CDMA2000 split in the US, which really restricts "any provider you want" freedom. In other markets that are predominantly GSM (such as the EU) or CMDA2000 (such as Japan), there is more reason to demand vendor neutrality. I would prefer AT&T to gain strength in the US so that GSM became an overall standard. The move to UMTS was supposed to unite both 2.5G systems under one new 3G one, but now Verizon is building out old EDVO and Sprint is building out WiMax. So a real open market for service is unlikely to happen soon in the US. Dan - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
>> * Where on any official blogs/websites have you seen the OpenMoko team >> or FIC say that they were making an "iPhone killer" or "anti-iPhone?" > > "Sean Moss-Pultz, architect of OpenMoko and product manager of First > International Computer's mobile communication business unit, in an e-mail... > Why buy a Neo rather than an iPhone? "While Apple delivers a polished > experience, it's an experience that is exactly how you they want you to have > it," said Moss-Pultz. "In other words, users really have no freedom to > change the device if they don't like the way Apple chose to make things. > OpenMoko is the anti-iPhone." > Linux-Based OpenMoko 'Anti-iPhone' Debuts -- iPhone -- InformationWeek I think it's hard to avoid comparisons with the iPhone considering the insane media frenzy. I'm sure Sean & co. got asked frequently to compare the Apple phone and the FIC phone, and really, in this context, the term "anti-iPhone" is somewhat appropriate. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Myth Busting FTW
And what appears to be a final reply from Dan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Eran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Myth Busting FTW To: Mike Hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, I have a dim view of providers overall. I also realize the US mobile system is really bad, and have written before detailing the history of how things got the way they are, as well as what problems I see specifically. I'm not trying to run down T-mobile, only pointing out that the arguments that the iPhone is tied to AT&T in some bizarre and evil way are overblown. Tmobile doesn't really offer much in the US, although I'm sure things are slightly different in various regions , such as Vermont, which has no AT&T service. I also made comments about the GSM/CDMA2000 split in the US, which really restricts "any provider you want" freedom. In other markets that are predominantly GSM (such as the EU) or CMDA2000 (such as Japan), there is more reason to demand vendor neutrality. I would prefer AT&T to gain strength in the US so that GSM became an overall standard. The move to UMTS was supposed to unite both 2.5G systems under one new 3G one, but now Verizon is building out old EDVO and Sprint is building out WiMax. So a real open market for service is unlikely to happen soon in the US. Dan - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 8/31/07, Daniel Eran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mike, Hi Dan, I am actually rather impressed you replied within a couple hours; I was honestly not expecting one so soon, if at all. >> * Where did you get your totally wrong information about T-Mobile's >> frequencies? > > TMobile only owns 1900 MHz transponders, which are high enough to be > problematic. That means subscribers have to roam on AT&T to use 850 MHz. Sprint too only owns 1900MHz transponders, yet they have far better coverage than AT&T's combined 850/1900MHz combined network in here in Denver, at least. To say that simply because AT&T is bigger and have banded together a large number of companies' PCS and Cellular allocations, they therefore are better, is a wrong point of view. I don't know of any T-Mobile phone that has any tendency to roam here. I would say that some areas the case is not the same, friends of mine from California tell me the coverage is rather different. However, even if you are roaming, why should you care? You are paying T-Mobile for apparently much higher customer service and in my opinion a much better rate plan with MyFaves. It's not like you won't get coverage because the Neo -excludes- any bands (short of UMTS but thats another ballpark.) > TMobile also uses/plans to use a non-standard UMTS frequency with an even > smaller market than AT&T's US version of UMTS. T-Mobile uses non-standard Smaller, because they require new spectrum to add 3G. Interestingly enough, here in denver to add 3G AT&T will have to work on the same AWS spectrum. We here did not benefit from having Cingular+AT&T in the market before that merger; AT&T always had 2 blocks, 55mhz total, and that hasnt changed. AT&T 3G spectrum in some markets, notably Denver, will actually equal those of T-Mobile. Also, in the USA, it IS a standard. A brand new one, but a standard none the less. It's been auctioned, and won, by a lot of people in a lot of different markets. T-Mobile however was the most needing of this extra spectrum. Please, don't blame T-Mobile for using 1700mhz frequencies, blame the United States for deciding to totally bypass the European (and worldwide) frequency recommendations/allocations when planning the PCS band. Apparently they were already using the 1800mhz band originally designated by WARC-92 for PCS-like services. Thereby, the upper-half of our PCS spectrum infringes on the 1900MHz spectrum for UMTS. So, what do we do? Create yet another new set of bands to make our phones more and more incompatible with an outside world that follows set standards. http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/frequencies.htm should show you just how lacking the USA is on large amounts of spectrum. Blame our government for wanting to keep it for their own use. > frequencies that only a quad band phone could use, and then only hitting on > one cylinder out of four. I've been a T-Mobile customer for years, and Incorrect, any dual-band(american-market, 850/1900) or tri-band phone(900/1800/1900) sold worldwide can utilize this 1900MHz frequency band. As I have said, and will continue to say: AT&T also provides GSM on a PCS band somewhere within the 1900MHz spectrum. I guarantee in Denver's case, they are using 1900 for GSM, and NOT UMTS. The markets where they have UMTS? I begin to think they have 3 frequency blocks up their sleeves. 850=gsm/tdma/cellular on different channels. 1900=UMTS and/or GSM. I would say that AT&T's deployment of UMTS in the 850MHz spectrum is more non-standard than the 1700MHz spectrum everyone will soon have; AT&T included. > experienced the problems of trying to use the phone I wanted on their > network. It's not good, and that's why TMobile has ventured into WiFi VoIP, > unlike any other US carrier. Lets see. Which exact phone did you try using? I am very curious. I have seen many European tri-band and tri-band GSM and GSM/UMTS phones that support ONLY the 1900MHz american band(among 900/1800 world-bands.) When I worked full-time for RadioShack, I remember thinking about what phone I wanted to get to use with the Cingular service we were starting to sell. I didn't like any that the store was selling; they all were rather small, featureless phones and none were quarter-VGA like my trusty Sprint/Toshiba VM-4050 (a wonderful phone that desperately needed a new OS to continue to utilize its rather fast CPU for the time..to this day no other phone I have found boots up in 6 seconds.) Finally, I had decided on the Sharp ZX-20, bought unlocked off of eBay. However, at that point I was rather offset by the fact that AT&T owned -2- frequency bands, including one that handset couldn't use, the 850 band. I didn't want to be left on a network with only half of the frequencies open to me. Therefore I went and bought a Sony-Ericsson S710a off of Craigslist. QVGA and features. Yay. Now, if you indeed had one of these 900/1800/1900 phones, and you lived in a market where T-Mobile has rather few tow
Re: Myth Busting FTW
> > > Great work - but somehow I don't believe that Daniel will publish a full correction on his page. Nevertheless, this could help to reduce the confusions in future. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Jeremy G wrote: Excellent, very well written rebuttal! Please let us know if you get any sort of response. :-) Probably worth a cc to the forum on the site. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Excellent, very well written rebuttal! Please let us know if you get any sort of response. :-) J. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Permalink: http://pastebin.com/f209742d8 Hello Dan, author of the RoughlyDrafted blog and to the OpenMoko community mailinglist as well. This is in regard to your recent blog post, http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html As you write rather lengthy blog posts on your site, I feel compelled to give you an equally long rebuttal to a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt regarding the OpenMoko platform, and FIC's Neo1973 phone. Not to mention an entirely wrong opinion of how the technology behind mobile communications works. First, some questions. The simple ones first, and the more complex and in-depth ones towards the end. * Where did you get your totally wrong information about T-Mobile's frequencies? * Where on any official blogs/websites have you seen the OpenMoko team or FIC say that they were making an "iPhone killer" or "anti-iPhone?" * What makes you think that these phones as designed by the OpenMoko team were initially meant to run windows mobile and that this phone was already some mass-produced Chinese-government-backed phone created and mass-produced before Sean Moss-Pultz had an idea, and a team of approximately 10 people working at FIC decided to create OpenMoko? * What makes you think a newly established grass-roots effort is able to -INSTANTLY- be at the same level as companies who have been around for decades? What makes you expect the exact same from a multi-billion dollar corporation and a 10 person strong start-up division of a company paired with an ad-hoc community effort? How skewed is your view on what Apple and other manufacturers are trying to produce in comparison with what OpenMoko wishes to do? Now I have a lot of facts. First and foremost, you are absolutely wrong in your claim that T-Mobile uses "non-standard frequencies". I am simply amazed how you would brazenly make this claim. Please make note of these FCC documents to understand how mobile frequencies are assigned today: http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/pcsband.pdf and http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=service_bandplan&id=cellular ; also make note that if you see "GSM850" and "800MHz" these correspond to the same frequency allocations: 850 is just a better term because the frequencies used from 800-900mhz are clustered in the middle of this range. T-Mobile owns and uses, and has used for the past decade, their allocation of the 1900MHz frequency band in each market they cover, nationwide. AT&T digital service back in the late 1990s, when analog was the standard technology, also started out in the same 1900MHz band, along with a slew of new competition from companies who could previously not get past the duopoly imposed by the 800MHz frequency band nationwide. There can be only 2 separate carriers on the 800MHz band- thats how analog was set up in 1981. Fact: T-Mobile, today, uses the same frequencies they did in 1997 when they started as Voicestream, which is in the same 1900MHz band as AT&T in a lot of markets. In the markets where AT&T does not own a 1900MHz frequency allocation, although uncommon, they often do own both of the 800Mhz blocks. This is due to companies that formed Cingular, and AT&T themselves each owning one in that area before they merged. The Cingular/AT&T merger makes AT&T advantageous in nearly all markets, as they have often combined their own frequency allocations of 1 or 2 blocks, and their competition's of 1 or 2 blocks. To compare possibilities, AT&T has anywhere between 25MHz of spectrum (1 cellular block only, rare as most markets have 2+ blocks in use today) and a theoretical maximum of 110mhz total of spectrum(2 cellular + 2 large 30MHz PCS A/B blocks). In most markets T-Mobile has to fit in between 10 to 30MHz of spectrum. Total. This gives them enough for voice, but not any expandability. This alone does not make them unsuited for the OpenMoko, but it is a severe competitive disadvantage for T-Mobile. AT&T currently owns a lot more spectrum, and therefore in many markets is able to provide these 3G/UMTS services where they have more than adequate space left for normal GSM traffic. And, as soon as they completely shut off analog and TDMA the extra GSM/3G space will only increase from there. Now, you can clearly see the disparity between AT&T and T-Mobile, and this is why T-Mobile bid in the 2006 AWS frequency auctions and won allocations in the 1700MHz band to provide 3G/UMTS services. Did you somehow get GSM mixed up with 3G when you were writing? Fact: The Neo1973 is a Quad-Band, worldwide GSM handset. (850Mhz(usa), 900MHz & 1800MHz(worldwide) and 1900MHz(usa)) Fact: GSM is a worldwide standard, available in nearly every country on the planet. The OpenMoko can work just about everywhere. (Japan and South Korea not withstanding) Fact: GSM1900 in the USA is the same for both AT&T and T-Mobile, and will not go away any time soon. Fact: Both the current iPhone and Neo1973 are still based o
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 15:35:39 2007-08-29 "Jeremy G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The "free and open Anti-iPhone" rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is > therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as > a hobbyist kit for phone hackers." > > Statements like that really piss me off. For one, AFAIK nobody within > FIC is trying to introduce the Neo as an "Anti-iPhone". That's just > the presses take on things. > > His article is just too full of inaccuracies. I wasn't able to finish > it either. I'm half-tempted to send him an email, but I don't really > think he's worth the effort. > That article is just to pathetic to take seriously... I was laughing my arse off while reading... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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"The "free and open Anti-iPhone" rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as a hobbyist kit for phone hackers." Statements like that really piss me off. For one, AFAIK nobody within FIC is trying to introduce the Neo as an "Anti-iPhone". That's just the presses take on things. His article is just too full of inaccuracies. I wasn't able to finish it either. I'm half-tempted to send him an email, but I don't really think he's worth the effort. J. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 29/08/2007, Richard Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at > objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: > > > http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290&page=1#Item_0 > > Given that Apple fans already have the phone of their dreams, it is > quite the compliment that they should feel the need to devote such > time, energy and FUD to attack their perceived 'rival'. As when > Microsoft compared Linux with Communism - the more rabid the attack, > the more insecurity lies beneath. Well, as KathyLee said: Wow - killer fact-finding! Obviously, his sources are reliable ;-) Oh, and attacking the ideas wiki rather humourously misses the point ;-) > > Nuthin' to see here iThink... > > Richard > > > On 8/28/07, Nkoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. > > > http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html > > All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
/rant start I couldn't complete his article.. he really wants me to make him eat his shorts... :) he states half truths at some points and omits features just to show up the iPhone. /rant end ok. got that out of my system. - Original Message From: Nkoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:12:24 PM Subject: Myth Busting FTW Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Nkoli wrote: Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ my prefered part is : = So much for the glorious freedom of choosing your own provider. Any real choice is prevented by the proprietary differences between GSM mobile providers like AT&T and the CDMA2000 providers like Sprint and Verizon Wireless who don't offer GSM service at all. = looks like these people believe that outside the US is "here be dragons" land... last I checked, the rest of the world only has GSM in one form or another and only the US plays with 5 different cell phone protocols ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290&page=1#Item_0 Given that Apple fans already have the phone of their dreams, it is quite the compliment that they should feel the need to devote such time, energy and FUD to attack their perceived 'rival'. As when Microsoft compared Linux with Communism - the more rabid the attack, the more insecurity lies beneath. Oh, and attacking the ideas wiki rather humourously misses the point ;-) Nuthin' to see here iThink... Richard On 8/28/07, Nkoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. > http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html > All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html > > All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ My favorite from the article "The iPhone has twice the system RAM, but more importantly has 4 or 8 GB or Flash, compared to the quarter GB of Flash in FIC's phone. Since the Neo1973 uses all its system RAM to run Linux, it has to run additional apps from separate Flash cards." Not sure where he is getting his sources from perhaps http://www.theonion.com or http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page? Cheers, Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Myth Busting FTW
Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
