Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
El lun, 16-07-2007 a las 13:10 -0400, Ian Darwin escribió: Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. I like the spanish term: libre (like in ubuntu cd-box). The libre phone. signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:31 AM, Santiago Crespo wrote: I like the spanish term: libre (like in ubuntu cd-box). It's not a bad word, but unfortunately when I hear it I get an image of a guy wearing army fatigues and carrying an automatic weapon. To some extent I think choosing a branding that will work in every country is a hopeless task. I mean, Coke and McDonald's seem to have done it, but I don't know of a lot of others... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
The Open Phone Our Phone The Human Phone (ok, sounds a bit like Ubuntu) Free your Phone (wich obviously is not the same as The free phone. It sounds good, and is already used in the youtube ads) More then a Phone Phone++ The Phone from people to people The Freedom Phone Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven btw not only in North America The free phone could be missleading, because everywhere operators did that strategy. But only in english this could be misleading, because in other languages free (si in beer) is not the same as free (es in freedom). for example german kostenlos/gratis frei, italian gratuito libero (even if libero is(was?)a phone carrier), ... p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- My corner of the web: http://ramsesoriginal.wordpress.com My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti: p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hate gmail and complain to them all you want, please don't imply the list should be broken because of that. I shan't continue on the subject, but thought it necessary to note the opposing opinion's presence in this context. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On 13:25:09 2007-07-17 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/17/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti: p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hate gmail and complain to them all you want, please don't imply the list should be broken because of that. I shan't continue on the subject, but thought it necessary to note the opposing opinion's presence in this context. it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists There's as list-reply header set which any sane mail client should be able to use... My webmail using hastymail even has a Reply To Mailing List button -- Andraž ruskie Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Hacker FAQ: http://www.plethora.net/%7eseebs/faqs/hacker.html Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Key id = F4C1F89C Key fingerprint = 6FF2 8F20 4C9D DB36 B5B6 F134 884D 72CC F4C1 F89C ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having the list server change the reply-to header is wrong. Please read http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful I don't use Gmail, but a quick google search tells me that the shortcut a will reply-to-all, which would be the correct way to respond to messages on-list. -jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: The Open Phone Our Phone Just oPhone I've always dislike the I and My stuff. digger ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
oPhone sounds great too... but not this oPhone: http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=79996a20-e2de-4757-8d22-dfc5a44acfc7 -- Luit On 7/17/07, digger vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: The Open Phone Our Phone Just oPhone I've always dislike the I and My stuff. digger ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
Digger Vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Just oPhone I've always dislike the I and My stuff. Not even sure it should be branded as just a phone. Always preferred the communicator label myself :) --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
Robin Paulson writes: it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists This has been discussed to death in the past, with no consensus on what proper behavior is. It seems pretty clear that the list admin is in the don't munge reply-to camp, so the list isn't going to start doing it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:59 AM, ramsesoriginal wrote: Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven Perfect. :') Honestly, I don't think this is something that one needs to worry about. What's going to happen if OpenMoko really becomes usable is that various vendors will adopt it in markets that will take it, because it's cheaper and (assuming we do our job right) nicer than the alternatives. And then you will see the Motorola OpenRAZR, the Samsung tFree, and like that, and hopefully FIC will find itself a real player in the high-end phone category as well. So take delivery of your phone, and do something cool with it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers, wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko. The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful ssh acess Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Why? Because (at least in North America) the major carriers have spent years, and billions of dollars, totally subverting the meaning of the phrase free phone to mean we give you the cheapest phone we can find and don't charge you for this piece of junk when you lock into a two- or three-year plan at some exorbitant rate that obviously includes the cost of the phone amortized. Seriously, ask consumers what a free phone means. at least 11 out of 10 will give you the definition above, at least the parts they understand. A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On 16/07/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers, wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko. The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful ssh acess Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Why? Because (at least in North America) the major carriers have spent years, and billions of dollars, totally subverting the meaning of the phrase free phone to mean we give you the cheapest phone we can find and don't charge you for this piece of junk when you lock into a two- or three-year plan at some exorbitant rate that obviously includes the cost of the phone amortized. Seriously, ask consumers what a free phone means. at least 11 out of 10 will give you the definition above, at least the parts they understand. A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. The you're in control-phone? :P Anyway, it would be weird calling it *the* free phone anyway, as I assume the Neo won't be the only OpenMoko-powered phone. -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? On 7/16/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers, wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko. The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful ssh acess Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Why? Because (at least in North America) the major carriers have spent years, and billions of dollars, totally subverting the meaning of the phrase free phone to mean we give you the cheapest phone we can find and don't charge you for this piece of junk when you lock into a two- or three-year plan at some exorbitant rate that obviously includes the cost of the phone amortized. Seriously, ask consumers what a free phone means. at least 11 out of 10 will give you the definition above, at least the parts they understand. A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? First thing I thought about when I saw youPhone was youTube... it seems a bit to obvious, sorry. __ Marc-Olivier Barre. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On Monday 16 July 2007 20:24:18 Shawn Rutledge wrote: How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? u is often short for the Greek letter \mu (in Latex notation) which in turn is used as a sign for micro in many places. That may confuse people as it might mean microphone then? pgpPDRRoFs3Pl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
OK.. Great minds think alike... Or maybe not. /grin On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:11, Shawn Rutledge wrote: How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? On 7/16/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers, wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko. The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful ssh acess Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Why? Because (at least in North America) the major carriers have spent years, and billions of dollars, totally subverting the meaning of the phrase free phone to mean we give you the cheapest phone we can find and don't charge you for this piece of junk when you lock into a two- or three-year plan at some exorbitant rate that obviously includes the cost of the phone amortized. Seriously, ask consumers what a free phone means. at least 11 out of 10 will give you the definition above, at least the parts they understand. A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
I thought of that too but don't see it as a problem. Still seems like a euphonious name to me. On 7/16/07, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? First thing I thought about when I saw youPhone was youTube... it seems a bit to obvious, sorry. __ Marc-Olivier Barre. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts - unleash
Unleash your phone. Original Message Shawn Rutledge on Mon-16-Jul 07 8:24PM A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts - unleash
On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unleash your phone. Neo 1973 : phone - and more OpenMoko : not just a phone -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts - unleash
On 16 Jul 2007, at 22:13, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unleash your phone. Neo 1973 : phone - and more OpenMoko : not just a phone Neo 1973 - The phone you truly own. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
