Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: > One question I still have though: Is it possible to catch the incoming call > signal from the GSM modem before the dialer app gets it, and handle all the > call stuff in my app? Will I need to rework all of the call taking code? > Or is there an interface into the current call taking code that I can talk > to, possibly over dbus? The way I understand it (I'm *NO* OM-sw-guy!) the gsmd will start the dialer app on inbound call, then communicate with it over dbus. probably you can "kick out" the original dialer and have gsmd start your app instead. I think it shouldn't be rocket science to have this even configurable to switch profiles on the fly. Not sure anyway if the original dialer has some methods to talk to via dbus, but in the end it's called "bus", so probably you even can register for the same events like dialer and talk to gsmd concurrently to dialer, which shouldn't have to say much as long as it's not triggered by user-interaction. Again, please note: I have not the slightest idea yet of all this, just doing hw for gta03+, no time for recent sw ;-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
Bluetooth headset is not bad. It's certainly still useable. Hmmmso it isnt advised to use the headset jack and the external speakers at the same timeI'm wondering, do all sounds get routed to the headset device when it is plugged in? If it doesnt do this, surely we can configure pulseaudio to? As for the FM transmitter, I was just going have something like this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&q=FM+transmitter&um=1&cid=8369282666750210988 So ideally, I'm going to have the car charger plugged into the usb port, the FM transmitter plugged into the headphone jack, a GPS antenna connected to the antenna port, and a bluetooth headset paired with it via bluetooth. Haha! It's good to hear there are no feasable problems initially. I'm finishing up a different project I'm working on right now, and will start drawing up code flow diagrams etc soon. One question I still have though: Is it possible to catch the incoming call signal from the GSM modem before the dialer app gets it, and handle all the call stuff in my app? Will I need to rework all of the call taking code? Or is there an interface into the current call taking code that I can talk to, possibly over dbus? -Dan Staley From: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:53 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Staley, Daniel L Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: > * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the > program to pause all music etc and say "Incoming call from Fred" and display > 2 large buttons "Ignore" and "Accept." If accept is pressed, I want the > phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car > speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating > of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my > noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just > going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be > acceptable. I think there's a decent amount of feedback killing in the GSM-module, like in every cellphone (just has to be setup correctly), as well as in your GSM-provider's gateway. Furthermore you may preprocess the sound prior to routing it to the GSM-module, by some echo-suppressor/echo-canceler. But I think you won't be happy with the built-in mic, for usage far from speaker in a noisy car. Probably a BT-headset is the better solution. There are BT-speaker&mic-devices for integration in your seat's head-support, probably worth to try. (just a note: you must not use Freerunner speaker and headset connector concurrently. At least using the speaker will produce unpredictable volume on left ear channel of wired headset. Sorry I was to late to stop this for GTA02 - wonder about ringtones :-/ When I forget to pull out the headphones when throwing FR on the table; or when I connect FR to my stereo to play music and a call comes in...) The rest sounds good to me. Just curious about the FM-connection to your car-radio... And you will need a car-USB-charger ;-) cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Tadaaa.. the missing piece for the perfect Freerunner.. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ramsesoriginal wrote: >> >> Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now >> we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that >> shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). > > Why not? > Navit [1] should do the work...! > > > [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ > > -- > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: > * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the > program to pause all music etc and say "Incoming call from Fred" and display > 2 large buttons "Ignore" and "Accept." If accept is pressed, I want the > phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car > speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating > of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my > noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just > going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be > acceptable. I think there's a decent amount of feedback killing in the GSM-module, like in every cellphone (just has to be setup correctly), as well as in your GSM-provider's gateway. Furthermore you may preprocess the sound prior to routing it to the GSM-module, by some echo-suppressor/echo-canceler. But I think you won't be happy with the built-in mic, for usage far from speaker in a noisy car. Probably a BT-headset is the better solution. There are BT-speaker&mic-devices for integration in your seat's head-support, probably worth to try. (just a note: you must not use Freerunner speaker and headset connector concurrently. At least using the speaker will produce unpredictable volume on left ear channel of wired headset. Sorry I was to late to stop this for GTA02 - wonder about ringtones :-/ When I forget to pull out the headphones when throwing FR on the table; or when I connect FR to my stereo to play music and a call comes in...) The rest sounds good to me. Just curious about the FM-connection to your car-radio... And you will need a car-USB-charger ;-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Dienstag, 27. Mai 2008 17:08:04 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: > So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when > it finally comes out after a year of telling them "a couple months from now > I'll have it!"), I have thought about what my first project is going to > be. > > If no one says that it would be impossible for some reason, I'll probably > start drawing up some test cases, examples screens, and basic code flow. > > -Dan Staley Well, why not create a new project on projects.openmoko.org? I'd really like to see your great ideas organized and well documented, as I really can understand what you're planning to do. My goals with the Freerunner are as well using it in the car and thus replacing my oldschool, navi and radio only 'thing' in my car. It would also be great if incoming messages (being SMS, email, MMS, IM or whateverelse) were scrolled on the screen in big sized font. (Maybe a confirmation: Press AUX to view new message(s)) So, you (or your friends in the car) may read what you got and thus you can drive without being disturbed by incoming messages. -- Greetings, Fabian Off ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
Oh I'm not looking to replace TangoGPS. I've been following his project since he first released it on my Neo, and I've been very impressed. However, I dont believe (correct me if I'm wrong Marcus) that it does directions or has a way for me to easily interface with it in another application. The app I'm looking to work on will not have anywhere near the overall amount of GPS features that TangoGPS has. Navit will better integrate into what I'm looking at doing because of the dbus-interface interaction and it's ability to be integrated into other programs. -Dan Staley From: Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:27 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, Are you still working on it? Cheers and happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > ramsesoriginal wrote: >> Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till >> now >> we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that >> shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). > > Why not? > Navit [1] should do the work...! > > > [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ > > -- > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
I'm not completely certain but I don't think TangoGPS does routing. I think Navit was written with cars in mind. TangoGPS will keep track of your friends. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? > > Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, > Are you still working on it? > > Cheers and happy waiting. > > Kosa > > - Un mundo mejor es posible - > > > > On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > > ramsesoriginal wrote: >> >>> Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now >>> we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that >>> shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). >>> >> >> Why not? >> Navit [1] should do the work...! >> >> >> [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ >> >> -- >> Treviño's World - Life and Linux >> http://www.3v1n0.net/ >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, Are you still working on it? Cheers and happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
This project looks to be exactly what I need to integrate with! It even takes commands over dbus! Well that sounds like a good starting point. Does anyone know if the media player currently implemented takes start/stop commands from dbus? If not (which im assuming from the state it was in last time I tried it on my Neo 1973 probably not) is it hard to get pulseaudio to play music atm? I havent messed with it much. -Dan Staley From: "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:24 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... ramsesoriginal wrote: > Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now > we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that > shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Staley, Daniel L wrote: So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when it finally comes out after a year of telling them "a couple months from now I'll have it!"), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. Being the nerd and impulsive buyer I am, I have bought a wireless bluetooth keyboard (perfect for the freerunner i think... http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE ) for programming on the go, an external GPS antenna with a magnetic end to boost my GPS reception in the car, and finally a car "phone/GPS dash holder" to have a place to set my freerunner while driving. It all sounds rather fantastic to be honest. I'm no programmer, but I'd happily test out revisions for you :-) I need to get a FreeRunner first though... It would be great to have a routing app that integrates with, say, OpenStreetMap. One that could also be used to store tracks and upload them if the road isn't in their database already. I have this fanciful vision of GPS units like FreeRunner (or Dash for that matter) using Open Source data from OSM to do routing, whilst load balancing roads and routes by the servers being aware of traffic flows and optimal routes for that time of day (similar to dash.net really). Where roads aren't present, the GPS traces get uploaded on the fly, and one way systems can be automatically determined by traffic rates and flow We can dream, but this certainly sounds like a step there :-) Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). In what language/toolkit do you plan to work? On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Staley, Daniel L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when it > finally comes out after a year of telling them "a couple months from now I'll > have it!"), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. > > Being the nerd and impulsive buyer I am, I have bought a wireless bluetooth > keyboard (perfect for the freerunner i think... > http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE > ) for programming on the go, an external GPS antenna with a magnetic end to > boost my GPS reception in the car, and finally a car "phone/GPS dash holder" > to have a place to set my freerunner while driving. > > I decided that I am going to try to implement a program that will give me the > most functionallity possible while driving...therefore (this may be wishful > thinking...so please tell me if something sounds impossible): > > (First plug in an FM transmitter to the freerunner's headphone jack to > transmit all sounds to the car stereo) > * Play music and/or podcasts while scrolling the name of the current song > across the screen > > * Press a rather large button in the bottom right corner of the screen to > switch from music mode into direction mode. In direction mode, the screen > displays Either a Large arrow pointing the direction of your location, or > displays the next road that needs to be turned on and how close it is in > large text. (Music/Voice from other modes should still be played while the > GUI displays this). When the road approaches, the program should cut out the > music for a moment and use freeTTS to read something like "Turn right on > Lovelaceville Road.". (The directions would of course have to have been > downloaded from wlan or GPRS) > > * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the > program to pause all music etc and say "Incoming call from Fred" and display > 2 large buttons "Ignore" and "Accept." If accept is pressed, I want the > phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car > speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating > of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my > noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just going > into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be > acceptable. > > * Once the voice recognition SoC project is done, I'd also like to interface > with that to implement voice commands for the program such as "Moko, next > song" or "Moko, take call", or even "Moko, new destination" (followed by the > new destination so that typing it in prior to driving would not be nessiary.) > > What do you guys think? Possible? Are the interrupts sent from the GSM > modem on incoming call possible to catch before the dialer app gets them? > Would it be possible to get the voice cancellation good enough to implement > the phone over car speaker feature? And finallywould anyone else be > interested in joining the project? > > If no one says that it would be impossible for some reason, I'll probably > start drawing up some test cases, examples screens, and basic code flow. > > -Dan Staley > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Sounds like something I'd enjoy too! Someone, somewhere in openmoko world wrote something about this and suggested using a bluetooth headset for instructions receiving instructions from the gps. This could be a good alternative. Vinc On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Staley, Daniel L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when > it finally comes out after a year of telling them "a couple months from now > I'll have it!"), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. > > Being the nerd and impulsive buyer I am, I have bought a wireless bluetooth > keyboard (perfect for the freerunner i think... > http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE) > for programming on the go, an external GPS antenna with a magnetic end to > boost my GPS reception in the car, and finally a car "phone/GPS dash holder" > to have a place to set my freerunner while driving. > > I decided that I am going to try to implement a program that will give me > the most functionallity possible while driving...therefore (this may be > wishful thinking...so please tell me if something sounds impossible): > > (First plug in an FM transmitter to the freerunner's headphone jack to > transmit all sounds to the car stereo) > * Play music and/or podcasts while scrolling the name of the current song > across the screen > > * Press a rather large button in the bottom right corner of the screen to > switch from music mode into direction mode. In direction mode, the screen > displays Either a Large arrow pointing the direction of your location, or > displays the next road that needs to be turned on and how close it is in > large text. (Music/Voice from other modes should still be played while the > GUI displays this). When the road approaches, the program should cut out > the music for a moment and use freeTTS to read something like "Turn right on > Lovelaceville Road.". (The directions would of course have to have been > downloaded from wlan or GPRS) > > * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the > program to pause all music etc and say "Incoming call from Fred" and display > 2 large buttons "Ignore" and "Accept." If accept is pressed, I want the > phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car > speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating > of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my > noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just > going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be > acceptable. > > * Once the voice recognition SoC project is done, I'd also like to > interface with that to implement voice commands for the program such as > "Moko, next song" or "Moko, take call", or even "Moko, new destination" > (followed by the new destination so that typing it in prior to driving would > not be nessiary.) > > What do you guys think? Possible? Are the interrupts sent from the GSM > modem on incoming call possible to catch before the dialer app gets them? > Would it be possible to get the voice cancellation good enough to implement > the phone over car speaker feature? And finallywould anyone else be > interested in joining the project? > > If no one says that it would be impossible for some reason, I'll probably > start drawing up some test cases, examples screens, and basic code flow. > > -Dan Staley > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
