Re: I'm new in this list

[Graham Williams]

Received Sun 14 Oct 2007  4:17am +1000 from Lorn Potter:
> Ryan Prior wrote:
>> Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on 
>> Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life 
>> everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though.
>
> It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by default 
> because the modem seems to go wonky. If you do turn on suspending, you just 
> have to restart Qtopia to make phone calls/sms again.
>
> As far as I know, this seems to effect Openmoko as well, unless I am wrong.
>
>
>> On 10/13/07, *Joseph Heenan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > wrote:
>> Graham Williams wrote:
>>  > However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and
>>  > receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using
>>  > the Qtopia image (
>> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php).
>> Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the 
>> qtopia
>> images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours
>> without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick 
>> :)

Yes, 5 hours seems to be the limit. So, as long as I plug it in to the
USB whilst working, and then my meetings and travelling last no more
than 5 hours, all is well!!!

Regards,
Graham

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Re: I'm new in this list

[Igor Foox]

On 10/13/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał:
> > Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls
> > and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line
> > interfaces).
>
> With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you
> should be able to make calls using Dialer.

I just updated to the latest image and indeed I can make calls without
any tweaks!

The only problem I'm getting is that there seems to be a lot of
feedback in the phone speaker, so hearing what the other person says
it's not very easy. But this is a great development and I hope to be
able to use OpenMoko on the Neo as my main phone soon. :)

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Re: I'm new in this list

[Lorn Potter]

Ryan Prior wrote:
Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on 
Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life 
everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though.


It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by default 
because the modem seems to go wonky. If you do turn on suspending, you 
just have to restart Qtopia to make phone calls/sms again.


As far as I know, this seems to effect Openmoko as well, unless I am wrong.




On 10/13/07, *Joseph Heenan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Graham Williams wrote:

 > However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and
 > receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using
 > the Qtopia image (
http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php).

Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia
images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours
without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :)

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: I'm new in this list

[Ryan Prior]

Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973
last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's
getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though.

On 10/13/07, Joseph Heenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Graham Williams wrote:
>
> > However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and
> > receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using
> > the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php).
>
> Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia
> images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours
> without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
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Re: I'm new in this list

[Joseph Heenan]

Graham Williams wrote:


However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and
receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using
the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). 


Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia 
images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours 
without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :)


Cheers,

Joseph

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RE: I'm new in this list

[Richard Reichenbacher]

You can also use qtopia.  I've been using my neo with Qtopia as an everyday
phone since the tech preview was released.

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Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał:
> Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls
> and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line
> interfaces).

With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you 
should be able to make calls using Dialer.

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Re: I'm new in this list

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał:
> Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls
> and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line
> interfaces).

With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you 
should be able to make calls using Dialer.

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Re: I'm new in this list

[Graham Williams]

Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls
and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line
interfaces).

However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and
receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using
the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). 

It is quite reliable and it does demonstrate that the hardware (at
least this part of it) does work! 

But the future is OpenMoko and it is slowly getting there.

Regards,
Graham


Received Sat 13 Oct 2007 12:09pm +1000 from Ryan Prior:
> The fact is that the "first version" was put out early so that hardware
> hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The
> hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of
> all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will
> have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same
> software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02
> -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it
> to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options
> is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get
> hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy
> hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come
> out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation).
> 
> Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit.
> 
> On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost.
> > Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top
> > on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another
> > version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It
> > would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on
> > version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers.
> > A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone!
> >
> >   --  Doug
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Re: I'm new in this list

[Ryan Prior]

The fact is that the "first version" was put out early so that hardware
hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The
hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of
all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will
have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same
software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02
-- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it
to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options
is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get
hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy
hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come
out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation).

Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit.

On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost.
> Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top
> on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another
> version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It
> would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on
> version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers.
> A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone!
>
>   --  Doug
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Re: I'm new in this list

[Doug Sutherland]

I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost.
Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top 
on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another 
version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It 
would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on 
version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers.
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Re: I'm new in this list

[Ryan Prior]

The hardware for the GTA01 will not change, but a GTA02 phone with upgraded
hardware is scheduled for release some time next year (NB: I am not
connected to FIC, everything I say is just hearsay) and is supposed to
include WiFi, accelerometers, and better performance from the RAM and
processor.

If you just want a hackable phone with no WiFi, the GTA01 ought to suit you
fine. It already has a lot of functionality and we look forward to having
you join the fray. :-)

On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, of course.
>
> this is a "release candidate".
> is possible to assume that the hardware will not change?
> If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware.
> I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right?
> P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to "play"
> with this phone. I do not regret the prospect of being able to use
> "operationally"...
>
> by leo
>
> > The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if
> you're
> > looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely
> on
> > for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software
> > stack
> > that will let you hack on the different components and get things
> working
> > better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves
> > breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into
> > development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important
> calls.
> >
> > Hope this info is helpful.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> hello, I'm new in this list.
> >> I have a question.
> >> Is possible to make a call with neo1793?
> >> they where an article on the wiki
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview
> >> i read
> >> what you CAN NOT expect yet
> >> #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
> >> #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
> >> #integrated GPRS data access
> >> but the  page was written on July 07...
> >>
> >> tnk
> >> by leo
> >>
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[leo . d]

Yes, of course.

this is a "release candidate".
is possible to assume that the hardware will not change?
If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware.
I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right?
P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to "play"
with this phone. I do not regret the prospect of being able to use
"operationally"...

by leo

> The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're
> looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on
> for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software
> stack
> that will let you hack on the different components and get things working
> better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves
> breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into
> development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls.
>
> Hope this info is helpful.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> hello, I'm new in this list.
>> I have a question.
>> Is possible to make a call with neo1793?
>> they where an article on the wiki
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview
>> i read
>> what you CAN NOT expect yet
>> #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
>> #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
>> #integrated GPRS data access
>> but the  page was written on July 07...
>>
>> tnk
>> by leo
>>
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Re: I'm new in this list

[Ryan Prior]

The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're
looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on
for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack
that will let you hack on the different components and get things working
better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves
breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into
development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls.

Hope this info is helpful.

-Ryan

On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hello, I'm new in this list.
> I have a question.
> Is possible to make a call with neo1793?
> they where an article on the wiki
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview
> i read
> what you CAN NOT expect yet
> #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
> #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
> #integrated GPRS data access
> but the  page was written on July 07...
>
> tnk
> by leo
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