Re: speeding up the flow of information
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation increasing. Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near future. If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let us know. Thanks Sean, For a start, I have attached a list of wiki pages that I found gradually, many from sources outside the wiki. THere are probably a lot more hanging off the directory /wiki/. Later I will send items like this direct to your new Documentation people. regards, clare http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=P1_Owners http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch Other pages at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ Kernel incl modules Application_Development_FAQ Developer_preview USB_DFU OpenEmbedded Bootloader Bootloader#S3C2410_specific_commands Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr Dfu-util Flashing_openmoko S3c2410_boot_usb QT2410 Neo1973_Battery_Charger OpenMoko_under_QEMU#How_to_get_it_running Debug_Board Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2 Qemu Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Application_UI_Design_Recommendations Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Inserting_the_SIM_card_.28optional.29 Neo1973_Battery_Charger OpenMoko2007.2 Manually_using_GPRS Phase_1_Software_Testing VCard Application_Development_Crash_Course MokoMakefile OEandYourDistro RequiredSoftware ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
On 09/09/2007 Ian Stirling wrote: > Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > On 9/9/07 clare wrote: > > > >> Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; > >> Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. > >> > >> Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. > >> However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the > documentation > > > I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally > about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation > increasing. > > > > Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) > near future. > > > > If there are things that you would specifically like to see please > let us know. > > Okaay. > > Hardware: > > Is GTA01 continuing to be produced? Yes. We're actually making more now. Enough to cover all the existing backlog of orders. Michael and Roh will help get more information out soon. > In what volumes, and at what times are they intended to hit the > web-store. (which still says 'This means that any orders placed now > will not be shipping before September 10, 2007') Unless something horrible happens they will ship around the end of next week. So something like the 3rd week of Sept then should arrive in the States. > Does the December timeframe for GTA02v3 explained in > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 make sense? It's hard to say for sure at this time So this is why we've resisted making any specific comments. Right now we're still verifying the hardware. Things are looking very good. But Harald still has a few more things to verify before we're ready to announce a schedule. Michael or Roh will talk more about this soon, as well. > Will GTA01 be available after GTA02 is introduced? If there is demand. > Software: > > A brief description of planned upcoming work. Mickey is working on this. We've been hoping to release something for a while now. But this GTA02 and the HXD8 stuff is eating _all_ our resources. I hardly have time to reply to emails, let alone post on this list. :-/ > Wetware: One line per week of their best understanding of the state > of their aspect of the project per dev. Michael and Roh will do this. They are working on something now. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Hi, - On 9/9/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally | about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation | increasing. | | Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near | future. \-- Would it be possible for them to also have a look at approving the projects at http://projects.openmoko.org/? Thanks, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 9/9/07 clare wrote: Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation increasing. Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near future. If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let us know. Okaay. Hardware: Is GTA01 continuing to be produced? In what volumes, and at what times are they intended to hit the web-store. (which still says 'This means that any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007') Does the December timeframe for GTA02v3 explained in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 make sense? Will GTA01 be available after GTA02 is introduced? Software: A brief description of planned upcoming work. Wetware: One line per week of their best understanding of the state of their aspect of the project per dev. Thanks! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: > On 9/9/07 clare wrote: >> Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; >> Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. >> >> Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. >> However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation >> side of the Open Source feature of the Neo1973 and OpenMoko itself. >> THis is where, in my opinion the real strength of the product will >> emerge. It is already evident in that a large number of people >> paid about 10 times the cost of a functional phone from ebay, >> even knowing it would take effort to get it usable. > > I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally > about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation > increasing. > > Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near > future. > > If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let > us know. > > -Sean > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > One thing could be an offical roadmap that gets updated in the Wiki. (perhaps a locked site) I've seen so much talks in the german Ubuntu forum about Neo 1973 / openmoko and there are several release dates flying around and so it would be useful if I or someone else could link to an official roadmap. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
On 9/9/07 clare wrote: Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation side of the Open Source feature of the Neo1973 and OpenMoko itself. THis is where, in my opinion the real strength of the product will emerge. It is already evident in that a large number of people paid about 10 times the cost of a functional phone from ebay, even knowing it would take effort to get it usable. I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation increasing. Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near future. If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let us know. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation side of the Open Source feature of the Neo1973 and OpenMoko itself. THis is where, in my opinion the real strength of the product will emerge. It is already evident in that a large number of people paid about 10 times the cost of a functional phone from ebay, even knowing it would take effort to get it usable. So a very big Welcome to Michael and Roh. clare On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, I'd like to introduce Michael Shiloh and Joachim "Roh" Steiger -- two new members of the OpenMoko team. Their primary responsibility will be to support you, the OpenMoko community developers. I'm sure you'll all agree this is an extremely important (and too often neglected in this project) role ;-) This includes getting technical and non-technical information out to you as quickly as possible, and also speeding your questions, ideas, and concerns to the appropriate person inside OpenMoko. Michael will focus more on North America and the Middle East while Roh will help out with Europe. Other regions will be shared between them both. Expect to hear more from them shortly. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: speeding up the flow of information
>I'd like to introduce Michael Shiloh and Joachim "Roh" Steiger -- two >new members of the OpenMoko team. Their primary responsibility will be >to support you, the OpenMoko community developers. I'm sure you'll all >agree this is an extremely important (and too often neglected in this >project) role ;-) Fantastic news... In that case, any chance of letting us know: >What exactly will the [sMedia3362] "driver" actually be? As far as I can tell there are several options: >1) A DRI/DRM kernel module & associated mesa module >2) A hacked up KDrive with accelerated driver >3) An xorg EXA/XAA driver >4) A DirectFB kernel module >5) A bog-standard Linux frame buffer device One of the biggest complaints I've read about on this list is the responsiveness of the user interface. One possible/probable reason for this is the rendering speed of OpenMoko's GTK+ implementation. The sMedia chip has been touted as one of the ways the GTA02 will speed up rendering, and the term "Hardware acceleration" has been mentioned quite a bit. However, I've not seen anyone mention _how_ GTK+ is actually going to be accelerated by the sMedia chip. I think this is a pretty important issue. Personally I'd like to see a full OpenGL ES & EGL library so we(I) can start porting the OpenGL ES port of Quake 3 to the neo. :-) Quake 3 on the neo... mm... yummy... Cheers! Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
