Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 simarillion wrote:
 Thank you,
 it works fine, but how can I switch to the full keyboard which has not only
 the letters? Do I need an additional package?

  Drag your finger upwards (or downwards) and you'll cycle through the
 layouts (lower case, upper case, symbols, numbers).

I just wanted to say that now that the ASU / Qtopia whatever keyboard
is working again I find it quite usable.
left drag for backspace also works now, I don't know why it didn't before.
and right drag is enter. up drag is changing pane (layout / keys)
and down drag changes in the other direction. Very nice!
I can even use the keyboard with my fingers now!
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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Michael Sheldon
Jeff Tickle wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
 and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
 
 I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
 the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
 removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
 text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
 personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
 would want this done automatically.
 
 Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
 know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
 
 Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
 downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
 find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.

  I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building ASU 
packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly aimed 
at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your opkg 
feeds to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ 
which has all the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with 
keyboard support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:

http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz

  Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc, 
then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

  The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas request it.

 I tried editing the
 file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
 caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
 compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
 
 So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?

  You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:

http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj

  Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note that 
you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is updated though).


  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Jacob Peterson
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Jeff Tickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hey all,

 I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
 and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.

 I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
 the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
 removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
 text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
 personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
 would want this done automatically.

 Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
 know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663

 Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
 downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
 find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.

 I tried editing the
 file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
 caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
 compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)

 So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?

 -Jeff

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In short I have come to understand that the decision was made to go with the
Qtopia keyboard over the Illume keyboard, but the Qtopia keyboard needs a
layer to auto-request it such as matchbox or multitap (which is not
installed by default) and with no manual button there is no easy way to
access it.  That is how I have come to understand it, please correct me if I
am wrong here.

-Jacob
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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Michael Sheldon
Jacob Peterson wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Jeff Tickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
 and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
 
 I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
 the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
 removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
 text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
 personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
 would want this done automatically.
 
 Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
 know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
 
 Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
 downloads.openmoko.org http://downloads.openmoko.org instead of
 buildhost.openmoko.org http://buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
 find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.
 
 I tried editing the
 file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
 caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
 compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
 
 So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
 
 -Jeff
 
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 In short I have come to understand that the decision was made to go with 
 the Qtopia keyboard over the Illume keyboard, but the Qtopia keyboard 
 needs a layer to auto-request it such as matchbox or multitap (which is 
 not installed by default) and with no manual button there is no easy way 
 to access it.  That is how I have come to understand it, please correct 
 me if I am wrong here.

  Qtopia has a built in keyboard, but because you're using an old 
version of qpe (see my previous mail on this topic) it's not enabled. If 
you wished you could install the matchbox-keyboard or multitap instead 
of using the qpe keyboard and these will pop-up when applications 
request them.

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread simarillion
Thank you,
it works fine, but how can I switch to the full keyboard which has not only 
the letters? Do I need an additional package?

Greets
Michael

Am Donnerstag 24 Juli 2008 18:18:52 schrieb Michael Sheldon:
 Jeff Tickle wrote:
  Hey all,
 
  I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
  and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
 
  I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
  the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
  removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
  text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
  personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
  would want this done automatically.
 
  Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
  know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
  http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
 
  Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
  downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
  find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.

   I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building ASU
 packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly aimed
 at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your opkg
 feeds to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/
 which has all the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with
 keyboard support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz

   Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc,
 then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

   The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas request it.

  I tried editing the
  file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
  'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
  caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
  compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
 
  So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?

   You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj

   Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note that
 you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is updated
 though).


   Cheers,
Mike.

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0100 Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Jeff Tickle wrote:
  Hey all,
  
  I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
  and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
  
  I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
  the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
  removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
  text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
  personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
  would want this done automatically.
  
  Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
  know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
  http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
  
  Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
  downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
  find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.
 
   I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building ASU 
 packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly aimed 
 at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your opkg 
 feeds to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ 
 which has all the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with 
 keyboard support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:
 
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz
 
   Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc, 
 then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
   The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas request it.
 
  I tried editing the
  file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
  'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
  caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
  compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
  
  So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
 
   You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:
 
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj
 
   Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note that 
 you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is updated though).

you can also drop it in:

~/.e/e/themes/

and no need to worry about overwrites... BUT theme updates wont happen (eg i
add new theme elements illume needs) so.. beware. you are playing with stuff in
progress. :)

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Michael Sheldon
simarillion wrote:
 Thank you,
 it works fine, but how can I switch to the full keyboard which has not only 
 the letters? Do I need an additional package?

  Drag your finger upwards (or downwards) and you'll cycle through the 
layouts (lower case, upper case, symbols, numbers).

  Cheers,
   Mike.

 
 Greets
 Michael
 
 Am Donnerstag 24 Juli 2008 18:18:52 schrieb Michael Sheldon:
 Jeff Tickle wrote:
 Hey all,

 I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
 and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.

 I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
 the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
 removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
 text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.  I'd
 personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
 would want this done automatically.

 Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
 know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663

 Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
 downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
 find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.
   I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building ASU
 packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly aimed
 at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your opkg
 feeds to use http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/
 which has all the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with
 keyboard support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz

   Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc,
 then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

   The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas request it.

 I tried editing the
 file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
 caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
 compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)

 So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
   You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj

   Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note that
 you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is updated
 though).


   Cheers,
Mike.

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread simarillion
Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note that
  you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is updated
  though).
 
Cheers,
 Mike.

Very nice,
Thank You

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Jeff Tickle
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0100
Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jeff Tickle wrote:
  Hey all,
  
  I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23
  Jul), and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
  
  I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
  the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and
  then removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when
  there's text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.
  I'd personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why
  someone would want this done automatically.
  
  Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
  know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
  http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
  
  Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
  downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I
  can't find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the
  downloads site.
 
   I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building
 ASU packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly
 aimed at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your
 opkg feeds to use
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ which has all
 the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with keyboard
 support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:
 
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz
 
   Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc, 
 then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
   The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas
 request it.
 
  I tried editing the
  file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
  'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
  caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some
  sort of compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
  
  So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
 
   You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:
 
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj
 
   Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note
 that you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is
 updated though).

ASU is AWESOME once it's working properly.  Thanks so much!

I'd like to put this on the Wiki.  Is it okay if I link directly to
those files, or is there some way we can upload such arbitrary files to
the current wiki?

-Jeff


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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

2008-07-24 Thread Michael Sheldon
Jeff Tickle wrote:
 On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0100
 Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Jeff Tickle wrote:
 Hey all,

 I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23
 Jul), and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.

 I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
 the keyboard.  I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and
 then removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when
 there's text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.
 I'd personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why
 someone would want this done automatically.

 Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up.  I
 know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663

 Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
 downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I
 can't find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the
 downloads site.
   I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building
 ASU packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly
 aimed at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your
 opkg feeds to use
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ which has all
 the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with keyboard
 support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz

   Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc, 
 then: opkg update  opkg upgrade  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

   The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas
 request it.

 I tried editing the
 file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
 'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
 caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some
 sort of compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)

 So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
   You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj

   Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note
 that you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is
 updated though).
 
 ASU is AWESOME once it's working properly.  Thanks so much!
 
 I'd like to put this on the Wiki.  Is it okay if I link directly to
 those files, or is there some way we can upload such arbitrary files to
 the current wiki?

  I'm fine with you linking to them, plenty of spare bandwidth ;)

Cheers,
  Mike.

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