Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
2008/9/6 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> There are those who want cheap, and those who want features. To which >> market does OpenMoko aspire to cater to? > > Hmm, didn't we just pay nearly $400 for this thing? > How much would the additional hardware cost? If it's $50 or less then I think it's a no-brainer. Most people I know have two cellphones, and if one $450 device can replace two $400 devices then it's a deal. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
Dont think so - "changing sim cards", not running two parallel systems. There are already systems that do this I think - saw a discussion on one of the OM lists a couple of months ago. Just needs some smart design and the will-power to do it. Billk On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 21:31 +0300, Michele Renda wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > To get it you must to have double GSM hardware, double standbay power > consume, and so a higher cost! > > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Would it be reasonable for future Openmoko phones to accept multiple > > SIM cards? I don't know if three is pushing it, but two certainly > > sounds reasonable. The expectation would be that the user could > > receive calls from both lines at the same time. When making calls, > > SMSing, or browsing 3G one could either specify which network to use > > or have a default set. Individual contacts could even have an override > > option to the default to always use a particular network. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIwXsLSIAU/I6SkT0RAkTlAJ40m/MH2IBbWtHe8qT4P2XoG+l3TACfbeO0 > 9+agrqdo/pw98Xu7oqaCmDM= > =EUh4 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/5 Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> To get it you must to have double GSM hardware, double standbay power >> consume, and so a higher cost! >> > > There are those who want cheap, and those who want features. To which > market does OpenMoko aspire to cater to? Hmm, didn't we just pay nearly $400 for this thing? -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
2008/9/5 Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > To get it you must to have double GSM hardware, double standbay power > consume, and so a higher cost! > There are those who want cheap, and those who want features. To which market does OpenMoko aspire to cater to? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
2008/9/5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I'd also *love* to see a phone with two SIM slots - I can see the >> interface now, when you dial a number, it prompts you "with dial as: >> ". I also like the Idea of having certain contacts >> set to automatically dial using a specified sim. > > In Real Life, telephones with two SIM slots are meant to be used by > married people who need a secure, second communication channel... > What about those who like to separate their business life from their personal life? Or for that matter, those who like to separate their crack business from their pot business? Or, worse yet, those in a nation where calling carrier A from A costs little, and calling carrier B from B costs little, but calling carrier B from A or vice versa is expensive? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To get it you must to have double GSM hardware, double standbay power consume, and so a higher cost! Dotan Cohen wrote: > Would it be reasonable for future Openmoko phones to accept multiple > SIM cards? I don't know if three is pushing it, but two certainly > sounds reasonable. The expectation would be that the user could > receive calls from both lines at the same time. When making calls, > SMSing, or browsing 3G one could either specify which network to use > or have a default set. Individual contacts could even have an override > option to the default to always use a particular network. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIwXsLSIAU/I6SkT0RAkTlAJ40m/MH2IBbWtHe8qT4P2XoG+l3TACfbeO0 9+agrqdo/pw98Xu7oqaCmDM= =EUh4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
> I'd also *love* to see a phone with two SIM slots - I can see the > interface now, when you dial a number, it prompts you "with dial as: > ". I also like the Idea of having certain contacts > set to automatically dial using a specified sim. In Real Life, telephones with two SIM slots are meant to be used by married people who need a secure, second communication channel... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/25 Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to >> actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after >> each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... >> >> > > Would it be reasonable for future Openmoko phones to accept multiple > SIM cards? I don't know if three is pushing it, but two certainly > sounds reasonable. The expectation would be that the user could > receive calls from both lines at the same time. When making calls, > SMSing, or browsing 3G one could either specify which network to use > or have a default set. Individual contacts could even have an override > option to the default to always use a particular network. > > I'd also *love* to see a phone with two SIM slots - I can see the interface now, when you dial a number, it prompts you "with dial as: ". I also like the Idea of having certain contacts set to automatically dial using a specified sim. There are a couple of interesting possibilities for the openmoko to be able to do something like this using only one sim slot: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Soft_Sim_Cloning http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
2008/8/25 Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to > actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after > each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... > Would it be reasonable for future Openmoko phones to accept multiple SIM cards? I don't know if three is pushing it, but two certainly sounds reasonable. The expectation would be that the user could receive calls from both lines at the same time. When making calls, SMSing, or browsing 3G one could either specify which network to use or have a default set. Individual contacts could even have an override option to the default to always use a particular network. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:48 PM, David Pottage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the Freerunner, it would be best if you powered down the GSM module > before you remove the SIM card. Perhaps in future we can add an applet > to do that. I've had trouble resuming when I turned off my GSM module, so be careful! See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1857 Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
tis 2008-09-02 klockan 20:48 +0100 skrev David Pottage: > Fredrik Wendt wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: > > > > 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. > > 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. > > 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace > > battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from > > USB > [...] > There is a risk that you will damage the SIM card doing that[...] Thanks for letting me know! The important thing for me is juts to make sure that the FreeRunner won't get damaged, since the SIM cards I currently use are only pre-paid ones, used only for testing. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
Fredrik Wendt wrote: > Hi. > > Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: > > 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. > 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. > 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace > battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from > USB > > In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to > actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after > each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... > There is a risk that you will damage the SIM card doing that, as it may receive power on the data pads before ground and power are connected. On consumer phones where the sim card is not under the battery there is normally some sort of switch on the SIM card compartment so that the phone, or at least the GSM module gets powered down if you attempt to remove the SIM card. On the Freerunner, it would be best if you powered down the GSM module before you remove the SIM card. Perhaps in future we can add an applet to do that. You might consider testing if the power gets removed from the SIM card pads when the GSM module is off, by probing it with a multimeter, though do so at your own risk, as there is a slight chance of damaging your freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
I've done this several times with no problems so far. Josh On Monday August 25, 2008, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > Hi. > > Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: > > 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. > 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. > 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace > battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from > USB > > In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to > actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after > each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... > > / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
