Re: Couple of Questions
Donald Organ wrote: I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I have a couple of questions: Is anyone using it on AT&T, and what are your results?? Others have addressed the upgrade issue, so I won't. The phone will work with AT&T or T-Mobile in the US (or any other GSM provider). However, you shouldn't count on in working at all until the GTA02 unit is released, as this is a *development* unit. -casey ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
Marco Barreno wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 06:10:25PM -0400, thus spake Donald Organ: No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the GTA01 cheaper. I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and get the GTA02 in board only form. Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not gonna be able to upgrade to the version with 802.11 wireless for anything more than $200. Unfortunately, it seems unrealistic to me to think that they could sell the board for less than $200. The board is going to be by far the most expensive component, with the screen in second place and the battery coming third, most likely. Almost all of the development effort and hardware production costs go into the board; it must be at *least* 50% of the cost of the unit, and I'd guess more like 75-90%. Since the phone will be sold for $450, I would expect the board alone to sell for somewhere between $250 and $400, depending on how accurate my estimates are and how much FIC is willing to take a loss on board-only sales. well ... from my previous experiences, companies in the mobile domain know how to make their money ... dont think FIC is making a loss at all ... neither now nor will they ever at any point of time in the future ... even if they have lost a few dollars a piece on hardware ... they've already made it up on brand value ... international mkting is not cheap ... FIC has already decided how they are giving discounts to people who want to get GTA01 now and GTA02 when it's ready: they're selling GTA01 at a $150 discount. It would be really cool for us if they decided to give further discounts, but given the costs that surely go into the development, it doesn't seem likely. they are expecting applications and profitability from the current exercise ... our future discounts will depend on how well we perform :) I'm in the same position as you, by the way. If I thought they would sell the board for less than $200 I'd buy GTA01 right now. But I think it's unlikely, so I'm waiting until GTA02 comes out. Marco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 06:10:25PM -0400, thus spake Donald Organ: > > No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the > > GTA01 cheaper. > > > > I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and > > get the GTA02 in board only form. > > > Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not > gonna be able to upgrade to the version with 802.11 wireless for > anything more than $200. Unfortunately, it seems unrealistic to me to think that they could sell the board for less than $200. The board is going to be by far the most expensive component, with the screen in second place and the battery coming third, most likely. Almost all of the development effort and hardware production costs go into the board; it must be at *least* 50% of the cost of the unit, and I'd guess more like 75-90%. Since the phone will be sold for $450, I would expect the board alone to sell for somewhere between $250 and $400, depending on how accurate my estimates are and how much FIC is willing to take a loss on board-only sales. FIC has already decided how they are giving discounts to people who want to get GTA01 now and GTA02 when it's ready: they're selling GTA01 at a $150 discount. It would be really cool for us if they decided to give further discounts, but given the costs that surely go into the development, it doesn't seem likely. I'm in the same position as you, by the way. If I thought they would sell the board for less than $200 I'd buy GTA01 right now. But I think it's unlikely, so I'm waiting until GTA02 comes out. Marco -- "Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." - Albert Schweitzer, philosopher, physician, musician, Nobel laureate (1875-1965) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
ma, 2007-07-23 kello 18:10 -0400, Donald Organ kirjoitti: > > I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and > > get the GTA02 in board only form. > > > Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not > gonna be able to upgrade to the version with 802.11 wireless for > anything more than $200. No and frankly, I wouldn't rely on that option, for your price. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
Since there are no physical case changes, it would be great if they just offered the board for sale to those that have already purchased the GTA01 kit for a discounted price. I purchased the Neo Advanced, and I really can't afford to spend another 400-600+ on the newer version... Kyle On 7/23/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 23 Jul 2007, at 22:46, Donald Organ wrote: > I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I > have a couple of questions: > > When the GTA02 unit becomes available will there be and > upgrade > price > to upgrade to the new board? No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the GTA01 cheaper. I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and get the GTA02 in board only form. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
> No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the > GTA01 cheaper. > > I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and > get the GTA02 in board only form. > Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not gonna be able to upgrade to the version with 802.11 wireless for anything more than $200. > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Couple of Questions
On 23 Jul 2007, at 22:46, Donald Organ wrote: I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I have a couple of questions: When the GTA02 unit becomes available will there be and upgrade price to upgrade to the new board? No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the GTA01 cheaper. I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and get the GTA02 in board only form. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
