Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. No, SHR is currently on 2.6.29 - it uses newest andy-tracking, so dumb battery drivers and few other things are already in SHR. Whatever. 2.6.30 does not work out of box. And if SHR does not want to migrate over .30, FSO does not get tested against the newest kernel. There is a kernel development effort, so significant work has been put to merge upstream, so I think we should respect them and make the whole distribution work on the newest .30 kernel. I was only interested what is the current desire from SHR and FSO. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On 8/6/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/5/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. No, SHR is currently on 2.6.29 - it uses newest andy-tracking, so dumb battery drivers and few other things are already in SHR. Whatever. 2.6.30 does not work out of box. And if SHR does not want to migrate over .30, FSO does not get tested against the newest kernel. There is a kernel development effort, so significant work has been put to merge upstream, so I think we should respect them and make the whole distribution work on the newest .30 kernel. I was only interested what is the current desire from SHR and FSO. Laszlo When only 2.6.30/31 becames stable enough, I can't see why it shouldn't be in shr-unstable. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On 8/5/09, Jeff Rush j...@taupro.com wrote: 1. How will FSO -test- their stuff during development prior to a distro picking up the release? Don't they need a vanilla distro for their own testing purposes? Well, SHR is plain FSO + UI apps. You need some UI to test framework, don't you? :P I've been using the FSO distro because it lets me start with a solid kernel + basic services and build up an environment just the way I want. The other distros I've looked at bundle too much and make assumptions about the phone UI and PIM data storage that get in the way of operation. framework already make assumption about PIM data storage - opimd :P Really just the kernel, an sshd, FSO services, busybox, elementary, X11, Python and an opkg command pointing to a current set of .ipk files would be fine. Am I out of luck and things are going the way of bulky complex distros on Neo as well? It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Really just the kernel, an sshd, FSO services, busybox, elementary, X11, Python and an opkg command pointing to a current set of .ipk files would be fine. Am I out of luck and things are going the way of bulky complex distros on Neo as well? It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos You can try SHR Lite. I am also assuming that FSO new company will continue to release milestone releases to demo FSO, but not support it like a full distro; but I may be wrong here. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Hi ! I agree with Sebastian ... I'm building the Qalee distribution on top of shr ... Well, SHR is plain FSO + UI apps. You need some UI to test framework, don't you? :P (...) It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. That's a pain to build a new distro on top of shr, I've spent a lot of time in removing un-needed thinks. It would have been easier if I had a basic image with only the minimum ... It's a reason I've used debian in a first step ( not the only one ) but community requested a version based on shr/fso ... I had to brack lot of think to get a minimal image ( and I'm not sure it doesn't contain uneeded thinks ) ... -- __ http://think-free.homelinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
2009/8/5 Christophe M meumeu1...@gmail.com Hi ! I agree with Sebastian ... I'm building the Qalee distribution on top of shr ... Well, SHR is plain FSO + UI apps. You need some UI to test framework, don't you? :P (...) It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. That's a pain to build a new distro on top of shr, I've spent a lot of time in removing un-needed thinks. It would have been easier if I had a basic image with only the minimum ... It's a reason I've used debian in a first step ( not the only one ) but community requested a version based on shr/fso ... I had to brack lot of think to get a minimal image ( and I'm not sure it doesn't contain uneeded thinks ) ... Can't you build a minimal image with OE, and install FSO on it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Hello. On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 05:17, Jeff Rush wrote: Freesmartphone.org is going out of the distro business. We will focus on the framework itself and will rely on SHR for building a real distro and GUI around it. That was me. So let's explain it a bit more. I got the above comment on a bug report I just filed and while I've heard it mentioned, I don't understand the ramifications. 1. How will FSO -test- their stuff during development prior to a distro picking up the release? Don't they need a vanilla distro for their own testing purposes? Why would we need that? At the moment Daniel and me are using SHR unstable as daily phone. That gives the framework a lot testing. We are also testing newer versions of the framework or the new fso-abyss muxer within SHR on these phones. So far this is working very well and we are happy that we can join forces with the SHR guys on this topic. Way to much time and energy was spent on creating images, feeds and other distro things while we could have spent this on the framework itself. 2. If not FSO, where can I get a vanilla distro that -excludes- most of the GUI apps and let's me install just that which I want to use? I've been using the FSO distro because it lets me start with a solid kernel + basic services and build up an environment just the way I want. The other distros I've looked at bundle too much and make assumptions about the phone UI and PIM data storage that get in the way of operation. That is a valid point. We targetted this one with our console and illume images in the fso builds. As these both images are only a subset of the the bigger shr images they should be easy to provide. I will talk to the SHR guys if it would be possible to build these when they are building the others. That way you could take a smaller image with the stuff you like and put on top what you want. How does that sound to you? regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Hello. On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 16:40, rakshat hooja wrote: Really just the kernel, an sshd, FSO services, busybox, elementary, X11, Python and an opkg command pointing to a current set of .ipk files would be fine. Am I out of luck and things are going the way of bulky complex distros on Neo as well? It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. You can try SHR Lite. I am also assuming that FSO new company will continue to release milestone releases to demo FSO, but not support it like a full distro; but I may be wrong here. We have no plans for that. Focusing on the framework itself is what we are trying to do. On the other hand the point for s smaller image is valid and we need to address it. I hope we can do this within SHR. That way you would not have the UI and some tweaks, can use the feed and build your stuff on top. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Hello. On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:21, Michal Brzozowski wrote: Can't you build a minimal image with OE, and install FSO on it? I think Jeff likes to avoid building his own images, feeds, etc. He likes to have an image he can flash, install packages and build his solution on top of fso. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Schmidtste...@openmoko.org wrote: Why would we need that? At the moment Daniel and me are using SHR unstable as daily phone. That gives the framework a lot testing. We are also testing newer versions of the framework or the new fso-abyss muxer within SHR on these phones. So far this is working very well and we are happy that we can join forces with the SHR guys on this topic. Way to much time and energy was spent on creating images, feeds and other distro things while we could have spent this on the framework itself. Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. Im asking because 2.6.30 kernel should contain many improvements (dumb battery driver, glamo work, wifi improvement, gprs improvement, etc, etc), so it would make sense (to me at least) that FSO wants to test their framework against 2.6.30 kernel too. What is the plan? Because if fso is bundled to shr, that obviously means migrating to 2.6.30 depends upon shr decision. Or who should do that job (ie. migration)? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Christophe Mmeumeu1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ! I agree with Sebastian ... I'm building the Qalee distribution on top of shr [...] It should be very easy to build on top on SHR. That's a pain to build a new distro on top of shr, I've spent a lot of time in removing un-needed thinks. It would have been easier if I had a basic image with only the minimum ... It's a reason I've used debian in a first step ( not the only one ) but community requested a version based on shr/fso ... I had to brack lot of think to get a minimal image ( and I'm not sure it doesn't contain uneeded thinks ) ... Hi Christophe, you just anticipate me a bit, I'm just doing the same of you branching shr-import, and trying to have qt4.5.2, kernel 2.6.30.1, qalee, litephone and my apps on it. I agree, shr-import is not suited for branching new distributions dues of it's bleeding edge nature, highly E customization/dependencies and no effort on some alternative toolkits. I'm waiting for further news about a common smartphone branch as of Mickey's announce. In the mean time, an shr-console-image.bb or shr-console-x11-image (without illume, e* etc) may be very appreciated. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Laszlo KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. Im asking because 2.6.30 kernel should contain many improvements (dumb battery driver, glamo work, wifi improvement, gprs improvement, etc, etc), so it would make sense (to me at least) that FSO wants to test their framework against 2.6.30 kernel too. What is the plan? Because if fso is bundled to shr, that obviously means migrating to 2.6.30 depends upon shr decision. Or who should do that job (ie. migration)? I'd like to know about xglamo too, AFAIK it's depcrecated. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:36:58 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: Hi Christophe, you just anticipate me a bit, I'm just doing the same of you branching shr-import, and trying to have qt4.5.2, kernel 2.6.30.1, qalee, litephone and my apps on it. Sounds interesting! I haven't been keeping up with this side of things, is it possible yet to import a vcard address book into it yet ? cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On 8/5/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. No, SHR is currently on 2.6.29 - it uses newest andy-tracking, so dumb battery drivers and few other things are already in SHR. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Does that also need, that SHR tries to migrate to 2.6.30 kernel? Currently they are on 2.6.28. Im asking because 2.6.30 kernel should contain many improvements (dumb does debian provide 2.6.30? i can only see 2.6.29... cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
On 2009.08.05.13.32, Stefan Schmidt wrote: | 1. How will FSO -test- their stuff during development prior to a | distro picking up the release? Don't they need a vanilla | distro for their own testing purposes? | | Why would we need that? At the moment Daniel and me are using SHR unstable as | daily phone. That gives the framework a lot testing. We are also testing newer | versions of the framework or the new fso-abyss muxer within SHR on these phones. Are there any tricks to using a git-bleeding copy (built directly from git, no packaging or anything) of FSO on a random distro? I intend to try that on Debian soon and thought I'd ask so I can anticipate issues. Being able to do that would make testing / developing easier, and I'm guessing that it is what you already do. Thanks, --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
