Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
* Alexander McLeay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070118 06:23]: > On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > >I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth > >connection. > > > >I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be > >a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection > >that I use now. > > What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for basic BT has a bandwidth of 768kbits/s if I remember right. And it's good enough for High-Fidelity earphones, especially considering that it support Quality-of-Service, which you don't get with pure WiFi stuff. Andreas > > People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this > an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a They use the same frequency. In practice with the Nokia9500, after enabling WiFi, the earphone goes dead quite quickly :( Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
* Jean-Philippe Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070118 03:38]: > On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote: > > Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with > > linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and > > you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos > > won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :) > > > > - Chad > > I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on > desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless > Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like. Then learn before you start to whine. BT even in the most basic version will be enough for 90% of the intended WiFi uses. Should we get some better BT, it can basically do almost everything that WiFi can do and more. (Beside being WiFi compatible *g*) > Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( Yeah, it's not WiFi. OTOH, at home that's not much an issue (USB Bluetooth doongles are cheap), and on the road you won't be using much WiFi hotspots (expensive, login page, etc.) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
speex codec down to 2kbit/s instead of 2kbyte/s Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
Salve Gabriel! Gabriel Ambuehl schrieb am Donnerstag, den 18. Januar 2007 um 08:55h: > > VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? > Plenty fast for that. I think Speex can run on as little as 2kbyte/s. Ohhhmmm I've tested 1kByte/s bewteen two asterisks this is a quite good quality. Remember that GSM codecs use 9600 or 14400 Baud "Wide range of bit rates available (from 2 kbit/s to 44 kbit/s)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speex I think you mean 2kbit/s instead of 2kbyte/s. But with less then 1kB/s I would expect reduced quality. Greetings rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 06:12, Alexander McLeay wrote: > What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for It's assumed Bluetooth 2.0 EDR will allow about 2mbit. > VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? Plenty fast for that. I think Speex can run on as little as 2kbyte/s. pgp3XbVhMWESy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
Alexander McLeay wrote: > On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth >> connection. >> >> I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be >> a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection >> that I use now. > > What sort of speed does this give you? No idea. It's not fast, but it's fast enough for email, irc, web, etc. Since the Treo has little memory, I don't need to download MBs of files to it. If I do need to download to the memory card (e.g. for podcasts), I'll just take out the memory card and download via the laptop (this is much much faster than using the USB sync for a Treo). > Is it actually good enough for > VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? No idea. If I'm at home, then there is a laptop computer or a land-line close by. > If I didn't mind plugging in > the USB cable, but I did want a decently fast connection, would I > prefer to install updates/new software to my Neo with Bluetooth or > USB? I would do it via USB (assuming that's much faster than bluetooth). My rule of thumb is that a wired connection is always going to be faster and more reliable than a wireless connection. > People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this > an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a > different channel/frequency, seeing as I control both network setups? > (My laptop is my only computer with Bluetooth, and it's usually > connected via Wifi.) Never encounted such interference. My bluetooth gateway and wifi gateway are a good 10m apart in different rooms (the bluetooth gateway had to be located in the centre of the house, to get the range to both ends of the house). -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth connection. I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection that I use now. What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? If I didn't mind plugging in the USB cable, but I did want a decently fast connection, would I prefer to install updates/new software to my Neo with Bluetooth or USB? People have mentioned interference between Wifi and Bluetooth: Is this an insuperable problem, or can I make one or the other operate on a different channel/frequency, seeing as I control both network setups? (My laptop is my only computer with Bluetooth, and it's usually connected via Wifi.) (Sorry if this has been covered before.) -- Alexander. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote: >>> Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( >> It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB >> dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ... >> >> I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in >> my house. >> >> -- Rod >> -- nslu2-linux.org project lead > > A link I'm goin' to follow, if you say you actually get a Treo online with > this hack - I own a BEFW11S4 2.4 Wireless-B 802.11b, so I'm out here anyway. I usually read and respond to this mailing list on the Treo 650 downloaded from my external IMAP server (fastmail.fm) over the bluetooth link via an NSLU2 and Linksys USBBT100 dongle. In fact, over 80% of my email reading is done on the Treo in the first hour of the morning (Australia morning immediately follows the US business day). I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth connection. I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection that I use now. -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
> > Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( > > It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB > dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ... > > I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in > my house. > > -- Rod > -- nslu2-linux.org project lead A link I'm goin' to follow, if you say you actually get a Treo online with this hack - I own a BEFW11S4 2.4 Wireless-B 802.11b, so I'm out here anyway. Thanks Jean-Philippe -- SuSE93 Linux Kernell 2.6.11.4-21.14 KDE 3.4.0 Kontact 1.1 Kmail 1.8 PHNOM PENH - CAMBODIA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote: > On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote: >> Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with >> linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and >> you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos >> won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :) >> >> - Chad > > I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on > desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless > Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like. > > Thanks, that's info! > > Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ... I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in my house. -- Rod -- nslu2-linux.org project lead ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote: > Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with > linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and > you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos > won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :) > > - Chad I was not aware Bluethoot is Network-Capable - Haven't got one, neither on desktop or notebook, and believed Bluethoot was kinda USB-Wireless (wireless Keyboards, some games, send of vCard) & not fully Ethernet-like. Thanks, that's info! Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :( Jean-Philippe. -- SuSE93 Linux Kernell 2.6.11.4-21.14 KDE 3.4.0 Kontact 1.1 Kmail 1.8 PHNOM PENH - CAMBODIA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
