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Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał: Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you should be able to make calls using Dialer. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant I'm not being rude, you are being insignificant. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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You can also use qtopia. I've been using my neo with Qtopia as an everyday phone since the tech preview was released. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcin Juszkiewicz Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:21 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: I'm new in this list Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał: Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you should be able to make calls using Dialer. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant I'm not being rude, you are being insignificant. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. On 10/13/07, Joseph Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Ryan Prior wrote: Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by default because the modem seems to go wonky. If you do turn on suspending, you just have to restart Qtopia to make phone calls/sms again. As far as I know, this seems to effect Openmoko as well, unless I am wrong. On 10/13/07, *Joseph Heenan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image ( http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 10/13/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia sobota, 13 października 2007, Graham Williams napisał: Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). With phone upgraded to latest software (ipkg update;ipkg upgrade) you should be able to make calls using Dialer. I just updated to the latest image and indeed I can make calls without any tweaks! The only problem I'm getting is that there seems to be a lot of feedback in the phone speaker, so hearing what the other person says it's not very easy. But this is a great development and I hope to be able to use OpenMoko on the Neo as my main phone soon. :) Igor ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Received Sun 14 Oct 2007 4:17am +1000 from Lorn Potter: Ryan Prior wrote: Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by default because the modem seems to go wonky. If you do turn on suspending, you just have to restart Qtopia to make phone calls/sms again. As far as I know, this seems to effect Openmoko as well, unless I am wrong. On 10/13/07, *Joseph Heenan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image ( http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Yes, 5 hours seems to be the limit. So, as long as I plug it in to the USB whilst working, and then my meetings and travelling last no more than 5 hours, all is well!!! Regards, Graham ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yes, of course. this is a release candidate. is possible to assume that the hardware will not change? If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware. I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right? P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to play with this phone. I do not regret the prospect of being able to use operationally... by leo The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02 -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation). Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit. On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). It is quite reliable and it does demonstrate that the hardware (at least this part of it) does work! But the future is OpenMoko and it is slowly getting there. Regards, Graham Received Sat 13 Oct 2007 12:09pm +1000 from Ryan Prior: The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02 -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation). Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit. On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
