Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[jeremy jozwik]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
> What distribution you run most of the time?

yes
yes
and shr-u 20091205

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Iain B. Findleton]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>   
No
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
>   
No
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
>   
SHR-U
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>   
Battery life, heat generation. Nokia basic model
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>
>   


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

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>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your
>> primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> yes
+1
> yes
+1
> and shr-u 20091205
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RE: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[hab keen oh ne]

yes, its my only phone
yes, its my only PDA
shr-u





Von: Risto H. Kurppa 
An: List for Openmoko community discussion ; 
shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 29. Dezember 2009, 21:30:53 Uhr
Betreff: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

What distribution you run most of the time?

If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
over to, and why?


Thank you :)


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[D. Gassen]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
YES!

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
YES!

> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR-U Current (I have a working SHR on NAND that I don't update and whenever 
the update breaks the one on the SD I can switch to NAND until the on the SD 
card works again).

> 
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
Switch? No way!

Dirk ;-)
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Benjamin Neuman]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
no

>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
shr testing

>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa 

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>

No


> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>

Yes


>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>

Shr


>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
Switched back to my old motorola. I kept missing calls and messages
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Thomas HOCEDEZ]

Le 29/12/2009 21:34, jeremy jozwik a écrit :
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>  
yes
yes
SHRu / H:1

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[ghislain]

Yes
Yes
QtMoko

Regards,
Ghislain van der Steen
openmobile.nl
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Bas]

On 12/29/2009 09:34 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
No (was hoping to be able to use it by now, but my contract expired so I
ordered a new phone)

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
No

>> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR-U


Personal note: I am kind of disappointed with the slow progress of the
software (just an observation, not judging it  :)  )

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Ingvaldur Sigurjonsson]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
No.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
No.

> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?
[SHR-U] - cd shr-unstable; make image, ...

> 
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
> 
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> 
> r
> 


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[c_c]

Hi,

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes.

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes.

What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR-U


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Denis Johnson]

yes
yes
shr-t latest

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[DRSp.]

Am 29.12.2009 21:30, schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>
>
1) yes
2) yes
shr-u

have a happy new year

DRSp.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día martes, diciembre 29, 2009 a las 10:30:53 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa 
escribió:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

No, but as my daily/only phone;

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

No, my primary PDA is a netbook EeePC 900 with FreeBSD;

> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?

Om2008.9

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

n/a

matthias
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Mickael Labrousse]

Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>   
No
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>   
No, HTC G1
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
>   
In my job on FR : an old shr-testing
In my private life : recently switch to Hackable1:rev5 chuck (loving 
gnome :d)
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>   
Missing calls, Buzz issue (now fixed), EDGE/3G access, battery life and 
missing integrated hardware keyboard (loving my g1 :d)

> Thank you :)
>
>
>   
You're welcome :)
> r
>
>   

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes.

> What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian.

Quite happy nowadays to about everything except lack of 3G data and
well, also the GPRS hickups that need some care not to bump into when
using Neo's connection from a laptop. Replaced midori with woosh which
starts up very fast (compared to midori). It would need packaging,
though...

One more thing is that some day I should try my luck with navit +
speech again. I'm quite fine with TangoGPS for my needs, but navit
would make it a real navigator.

-Timo

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Bernhard Reiter]

Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 22:30 +0200 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
> What distribution you run most of the time?
shr-t

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[David Ford]

1) not any more
2) no
3) gentoo
4) opkg nightmares, very slow development, instability of existing core
software and i have no time to work on it.  using a blackberry.  it just
works.

On 12/29/2009 03:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>   


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Christian Rüb]

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

not yet

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

Have not switched over to FR yet, but still using my 9y old Nokia as PIM is not 
sufficient on FR yet.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[PaulTT]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?
om2008.12+fdom with qtopia and lot of changes and customizations ;)

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Joerg Eesmann]

On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U, but will try QTMoko also

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

Sound during calling is still an issue for me. Addressee of my calls are
still complaining, even after buzz fix...

> Thank you :)

Thank You!


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Risto H. Kurppa"  writes:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Still yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes.

> What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian unstable.

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have
managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that
they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified
so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why
this behavior seems to change.

Current solution is just to make sure that the amplification is so low
that no distortion happens and then use a quick icewm menu entry to up
the volume if other side seems to suffer from the "can't hear you very
loudly" issue.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Atilla Filiz]

No and no. Primarily call quality was never satifying, mostly for the other
side. Echo is too annoying. Also phone is unreliable because of WSOD. I use
my FR as my hacking toy.My primary distro is H:1

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors  wrote:

> "Risto H. Kurppa"  writes:
> > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
> Still yes.
>
> > Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> Yes.
>
> > What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> Debian unstable.
>
> > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> > over to, and why?
>
> The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have
> managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that
> they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified
> so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why
> this behavior seems to change.
>
> Current solution is just to make sure that the amplification is so low
> that no distortion happens and then use a quick icewm menu entry to up
> the volume if other side seems to suffer from the "can't hear you very
> loudly" issue.
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Thomas Bellembois]

1. not yet
2. not yet
3. QTMoko / H1

I currently use a basic Nokia Phone. I am waiting for a decent agenda 
synchronisation system to use the FR as a daily phone.

Regards,

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[giacomo "giotti" mariani]

yes
yes
qtmoko/shr

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Gennady Kupava]

В Втр, 29/12/2009 в 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa пишет:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes. But in fact I've not use pda before, so not much from that
functionality.

Most used non-phone functions is music player. Sound quality is nice for
phone, happy with upload method - just scp/mc, and with playing software
supporting any music formats. Intone in shr have own bugs and sometimes
annoyingly slow due to mmc speed, but exactly I want from player.
Mplayer in debian-based distributions (moved only soon).

> What distribution you run most of the time?

80% time were SHR-Unstable, QTmoko for some time, but recently switched
to H:1 for phone software, first flashed to test it, but found it better
that recent shr on my taste.

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

n/a. Problems with FR are not strong enough to switch.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[arne anka]

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

debian

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[tb]

Yes, although i wish it would be better with core phone services
Yes
SHR-unstable

2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Michele Abbrescia]

Risto H. Kurppa ha scritto:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes.

> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U.

> 
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
> 
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> 
> r
> 

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[dieeasy]

Il giorno Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200
la "Risto H. Kurppa"  cusku di'e:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

not yet

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

debian / qtmoko

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

never switched from my previous phone because of in-call audio quality
PIM is getting better, I like osmo very much
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Adam Jimerson]

On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:08 AM, DRSp. wrote:

> Am 29.12.2009 21:30, schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes

>>
>> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U latest


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Vadim, Efimov]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:30:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa   
wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
No

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR-U lastest

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
Missing some PIM (especially phonebook) functionality & integration  
(contact's sort order),
audio quality (volume level), battery,

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Vincent Meurisse]

On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes
> What distribution you run most of the time?
QtMoko

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Xavier Bestel]

On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Nope, sold it to buy an N900.
I enjoyed the concept a lot, but I needed something that works.




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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Giovanni]

Almost, I'm starting in these days.
Yes.
SHR-U


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Xavier Bestel wrote:

> On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> > Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> Nope, sold it to buy an N900.
> I enjoyed the concept a lot, but I needed something that works.
>
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>

No.
I still test stuff on it when time permits.

Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>

No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to
sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't
do that (yet?).


> What distribution you run most of the time?
>

QtMoko.
Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way
to boot several distributions  (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it
seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader.


> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>

Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died(

I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life.
Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for
me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times.

I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short
battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it
impractical.
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>>
>
> No.
> I still test stuff on it when time permits.
>
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>>
>
> No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to
> sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't
> do that (yet?).
>
>
>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>
>
> QtMoko.
> Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way
> to boot several distributions  (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it
> seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader.

I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also
requires you to have custom bootloader?

>> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
>> over to, and why?
>>
>
> Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died(
>
> I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life.
> Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for
> me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times.

Strange, maybe your QtMoko just doesn't do well power management. Here
I need to recharge every ~2 days of normal usage, and battery time
when using GPS is also just nice, for instance for GSM cell logging (I
have second battery from my old Nokia and I don't need more)

> I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short
> battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it
> impractical.
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> "Risto H. Kurppa"  writes:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Still yes.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Define PDA. I use it uniquely for listening music with lyrics, and my
own developed dictionary.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U from september.

I learned the caveats. I use my modified paroli too. It has bugs,
problems, but I know almost all of them.
If it starts with "cant init wifi service", I will not able to pick up
the incoming call for example.
The above bug I figured out in 2 months (why dont appear the incoming
call screen in paroli).

So there are bugs like this, but as I know all of them (never hang up
the same time as the other party, because paroli/fso just freezes), I
can workaround all of them.

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I began seriously thinking to switching back to a normal phone. The
audio quality is unreliable and poor.

>
> The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have
> managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that
> they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified
> so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why
> this behavior seems to change.

My biggest issue too. It never really worked. I have awesome quality
with Motorola old Razor
phone (my gf has it), almost never have any issue (buzz, echo, etc)
and she is at the
same provider.

But for example with almost all Samsung phone, they can hardly understand me.
I have also problem with Nokia 6300, sometime my voice get chopped,
and the other party
too. So I hear from 1 sec only half sec, then nothing, another half
second, then nothing.
If I speak slooowly the other party can understand me. But I pretty
often need to guess what the
other party wanted to say.

Also I have problem with people who have different provider then me
(pannon vs. vodafone)

What is worst, it has a serious social impact. There are people, who
simply refuse to call me,
because, my phone is "shitty".
When the above "chopping" occurs, the other party starts to be really
angry, and starts
talking faster and louder, which makes the effect even worse.

Talking to landline has no issue in general.

So in my humble opinion the audio (hardware+software) on the
freerunner is seriously fucked up,
and what is worse, the key people never admitted the fact.

I tried everything, I fighted with the issue more then 6 months now
for a feature which is supposed
to JUST WORKs. And I think my settings are the best possible what can be made.

As the audio quality depends on the other party's phone (motorola is
the best in general), and
also the other's provider too, I dont think it can be ever adjusted
from software...


I only kept using this phone, because of the dictionary and the music
listening with lyrics.
Thats the only reason. And thats why I cant switch to an other phone

I also hate the fact that I need to charge every day my freerunner. I
will look into #1024 fix,
just the situation is so frustrating.

I also miss times to times the incoming call, because Im unable to
hear the ringing...

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Tony McKeehan]

Not my primary phone, but I use it form time to time to surf the 
web/play games with Hackable:1 or QtMoko (only distros that connect to 
web). Not  huge fan of SHR, because the interface does not lend itself 
well to a phone (can't even create+type+send an SMS in less than a 
minute, much less 15-20 seconds like every other phone ever).

My daily phone is the same phone I've had for years, a Motorolla L2 bar 
phone.

-Tonym

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> r
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 30 December 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen  wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> >> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> >
> > No.
> > I still test stuff on it when time permits.
> >
> > Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
> >
> >
> > No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to
> > sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner
> > can't do that (yet?).
> >
> >> What distribution you run most of the time?
> >
> > QtMoko.
> > Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_
> > way to boot several distributions  (multi-boot) from one SD card.
> > Currently it seems that each distribution requires a different
> > bootloader.
> 
> I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also
> requires you to have custom bootloader?

I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot  
parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. I find 
uboot very easy for multibooting.

> >> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> >> over to, and why?
> >
> > Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died(
> >
> > I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life.
> > Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle
> > for me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all
> > times.
> 
> Strange, maybe your QtMoko just doesn't do well power management. Here
> I need to recharge every ~2 days of normal usage, and battery time
> when using GPS is also just nice, for instance for GSM cell logging (I
> have second battery from my old Nokia and I don't need more)

I get ~2days between charges most of the time too. GPS tracklogs cut it a lot, 
more because of not suspending than the GPS power itself, but see below for 
how this compares to a coupe of other handsets.

> > I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the
> > short battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it
> > impractical.

I used the FR for recording tracklogs while walking over the summer. Friends 
were using the GPS on a G1 and a Sony-Ericsson (don't know the model) and they 
ran into battery problems much faster than I did. I was pleasantly surprised 
that the FR outperfomed them convincingly in this situation. The S-E also had 
trouble getting a lock when it couldn't get a cell data connection. 

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Torfinn Ingolfsen
> 


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[David Wagner]

jeremy jozwik a écrit :
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>> What distribution you run most of the time?

yes

no

hackable:1 , rev5

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Ian Stephen]

Quoting "Risto H. Kurppa" :

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?

Yes
No
SHR

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[rixed]

yes
yes
H:1


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Thomas Zimmermann]

Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 21:30:53 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
No
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
No
> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR unstable
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
Palm Pre (but never used FR as primary phone), i'm seeing the FR as my toy.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Neil Jerram]

2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Partly - i.e. reading my gmail with links2.  Other email is elsewhere,
and I don't do electronic calendaring or task tracking.

> What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian.

  Neil

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[qu kai]

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes!!

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes!

What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian!!


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Enaut Waldmeier]

2010/1/1 qu kai 

>
>
> >Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
yes! but I use i the mobile as often as i used it before i had the moko.
(had no other mobile) So not to often.

>
>
> >Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
 Yes! pretty much the same here.

>
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>

SHR


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Petr Vanek]

answering for two people here:


>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes
>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
>What distribution you run most of the time?
android, shr

---

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
no
>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
>What distribution you run most of the time?
shr


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Linus Gasser]

Le 29.12.09 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

No

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

No

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR or hackable:1

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

The most simple Nokia money can buy. I need to be able to answer phones, 
not:
- scream because buzzing makes it impossible for anybody to understand me
- taking 4 times as much time for writng an SMS compared to the most 
cheap Nokia
- constantly loosing SMS or having long SMS cut in two
- rebooting two or three times a day before receiving calls or being 
able to make
- taking 5 minutes to write an appointement when it takes me 10 seconds 
to do with my do-it-yourself-paper-agenda

I still like it as GPS and GPRS modem, and as mp3-player, though. I'm 
planning to fix it in my car as that...

I still think it's a great experiment on open-source development, and I 
don't mind having paid the money for it. Furthermore I get very 
impressed by the quality of simple Nokia or other phones ;)

Linus

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Petr Vanek]

Hi Risto,

what would be your answers?

Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user
list as well:

responded 81

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes 55, No 26

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes 58, No 23

>What distribution you run most of the time?

(some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted)

SHR 63
QTMoko 10
Debian 6
H:1 4
Gentoo 2
Android 2
om2008 2

Kind Regards
Petr


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes (GPS and GPRS&IRC, for other tasks I use my eeepc)

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-testing

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I had to go back to my wife's old Nokia but after #1024 fix
(http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/12/fixing-openmoko-hardware-bug-1024/)
I upgraded to latest SHR-testing and got many issues fixed (battery
life and audio quality improved a lot).

> Thank you :)

Thank you :)


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Petr Vanek  wrote:
> Hi Risto,
>
> what would be your answers?
>
> Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user
> list as well:
>
> responded 81
>
>>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
> Yes 55, No 26
>
>>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> Yes 58, No 23
>
>>What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted)
>
> SHR 63
> QTMoko 10
> Debian 6
> H:1 4
> Gentoo 2
> Android 2
> om2008 2
>
> Kind Regards
> Petr

Wow, thanks for this summary!!


r



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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Juergen Schinker]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?

Yes since 26c3
Yes
H:1


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Petr Vanek]

>That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen
>when sending from opimd-utils)

hmm, all my test sms messages to myself eventually arrived during the
evening*. i haven't heard notify (but the phone was tucked in my
pocket), so most probably not a fr bug unless somewhere deep in
framework-calypso communication causing some delays in receiving. but
the GSM signal here is quite weak so who knows...

* hey, that storage is great, now only the sent view is missing :))

cheers
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Not anymore

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
No

> What distribution you run most of the time?
Android

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
HTC Magic (Android)
because it works
and brings some freedom anyway

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Michael Smith]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200
"Risto H. Kurppa"  wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

No

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I still use my palm pilot as my PDA through I am writing an application for SHR 
to replace the palm pilot.
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Olivier Migeot]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes, though my use of a PDA is a bit scarce. Mostly GPS-based
functions (OSM tracks and the such).

> What distribution you run most of the time?

A (somewhat outdated) shr-u.

Happy new year to all of you.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes, since july 2008 (rev5, buzzfixed one year later)

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes.
> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR for a long time, Android currently (very comfy + great browser/wifi)

> 
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
> 
> 
> Thank you :)
You're welcome.



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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Bernd Prünster]

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>   
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>> 
yes
yes
shr-u


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Xavier Vens]

no
no
shr-u


On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernd Prünster
 wrote:
> jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>>
> yes
> yes
> shr-u
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[-= Apertum =-]

* Ken Young wrote, Il 03/01/2010 07:10:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>> 

Yes, but always with some problems.

The *biggest* problem is battery life of my FR, because some times i
cannot finish a day with a full charge, doing only some short calls.
It's a big issue from day 0, IMHO, never really solved. I'm very happy
of the screen and solid design of the FR, but his graphic speed and
responsiveness (with QtMoko, at least) some times it's not good.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>> 
Yes, but without the copy/paste fuction and "a still not so good" touch
keyboard, also here i've some problem.
But using  it as a pure GPS device, it's really good.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>> 
QtMoko (latest version compilad and maintained by the great Radek
Polak), that is Qt based over a Debian (as i understand).

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Esben Stien]

Ken Young  writes:

> there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the
> gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor,
> will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big
> players are contemporaneously offering.

Do you still don't know to never underestimate enthusiasts?. 

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Esteban Monge]

Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes

What distribution you run most of the time?
QtMoko

If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
over to, and why?

Sometime ago I has two phones, a Nokia 5130 and a Nokia 5310, but I think in
the complete change to the clear side of the force, and sold together and
bought another Neo Freerunner for diary use and one for experiments!!!
Actually have one for diary use and for experiments...


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Kosa]

 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes
> What distribution you run most of the time?
shr-u


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

Em 03-01-2010 06:10, Ken Young escreveu:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

There's no decent PDA software for the FR, and I have no other, so No.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-u

Rui

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your FreeRunner?

[Brolin Empey]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes.

>
> What distribution you run most of the time?

I use only QtMoko.


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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Shashank Bharadwaj]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

Android (Cupcake now, hoping that eclair will become much more usable
in a few weeks)

Thanks
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Shashank Bharadwaj]

Adding Android Community into the loop :)
Common guys right now survey says only 2 people use Android as they
primary OS. Time to change that?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
>
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Benjamin Donnachie]

I found the FR too unstable and went back to using my ancient Nokia.

However, Android was one of better OSes I tried.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[-= Apertum =-]

* Shashank Bharadwaj wrote, Il 09/02/2010 11:01:
> Adding Android Community into the loop :)
> Common guys right now survey says only 2 people use Android as they
> primary OS. Time to change that?
>   
I really dont' like the dev model behind Android.
It's not a shared developing and knowledge, also if it's formally
opensource.
And i dont' like the idea to make OSs, browsers, and generally any apps,
all Google/onebrand/company centered. IMHO it's also a _lot_ dangerous.

I don't like it, so I don't use it.

I really like QtMoko, and any weeks it's always a better piece of
software :-)

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Mike Crash]

No
Yes
Debian
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Neil Brown]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:17:17 -0800 (PST)
Mike Crash  wrote:

> 
> No
> Yes
> Debian

Yes
No
Debian


The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps removed
has had a significant improvement on my experience.  Now if only I could
figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way to being happy.
I guess we cannot hope for the GSM firmware being made open-source...

(any New Zealand residents out there?  I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees
SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and
calls were fine.  SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else
experience that?)

NeilBrown

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Marcus Bauer]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:03 +1100
Neil Brown  wrote: 
> The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps
> removed has had a significant improvement on my experience.  Now if
> only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way
> to being happy.

I have never tested GPRS for more than 12 hours but I always felt that
it was rocking stable, keeping the connection while moving around. At
least on hackable1, rev4 which basically is Debian Lenny.

But then maybe your phone is unhappy because it expects your to run SuSE
on it ;-)

Marcus (who -for the records- used SuSE before they had version numbers
and were simply called November 1994, coming in ugly brown boxes with
some green thingy on them)

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Andrew Stephen]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Neil Brown  wrote:
>
> (any New Zealand residents out there?  I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees
> SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and
> calls were fine.  SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else
> experience that?)

I have used a 2degrees SIM with my Freerunner successfully under
SHR-u/t  for both sending and receiving SMS.

Were you here for LCA?

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Neil Brown]

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:05:30 +1300
Andrew Stephen  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Neil Brown  wrote:
> >
> > (any New Zealand residents out there?  I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 
> > 2degrees
> > SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and
> > calls were fine.  SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else
> > experience that?)
> 
> I have used a 2degrees SIM with my Freerunner successfully under
> SHR-u/t  for both sending and receiving SMS.

Maybe it was specific to my particular SIM (or a batch of SIMs).
I tried bypassing all the UI stuff, connected to the GSM device with
mickeyterm, issued:
  AT+CMGS="phonenumber"
  >  some text goes here

and then never got the second '>' prompt to enter "^Z" to.  It is not an
issue for me any more but it did drop my confidence a little bit.

> 
> Were you here for LCA?
> 

Yes, that and a holiday to escape the hot Sydney summer :-)
Nice country you've got there.

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Neil Brown]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:55:09 +0100
Marcus Bauer  wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:03 +1100
> Neil Brown  wrote: 
> > The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps
> > removed has had a significant improvement on my experience.  Now if
> > only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way
> > to being happy.
> 
> I have never tested GPRS for more than 12 hours but I always felt that
> it was rocking stable, keeping the connection while moving around. At
> least on hackable1, rev4 which basically is Debian Lenny.

I have never had any problem when browsing on the phone itself.  But whenever
I try to  use it as an internet connection for my notebook (usb from notebook
to freerunner, with all the appropriate SNAT and routing tables set up) it
works for a few hundred K and then just seizes up.  I wonder if it is some
sort of flow-control issues over the serial link to the GSM device, but that
is all supposed to be hardware flow-control and certainly seems to be set up
properly.

> 
> But then maybe your phone is unhappy because it expects your to run SuSE
> on it ;-)

Maybe it is :-)

NeilBrown


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> and were simply called November 1994, coming in ugly brown boxes with
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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Sergey Alembekov]

On 29.12.2009 23:30, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
no

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes (fbreader and listening music)

> What distribution you run most of the time?
shr


> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
At the summer, after 1024 and buzz fixes i tried to use it for a two 
weeks as daily phone, but i lost several important calls and need to 
reboot twice a day. Will try it with new kernel.

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Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Werner Almesberger]

Ken Young wrote:
> My two cents:   If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of
> someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a
> GPS PDA.   I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi,
> and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible.

Companies who were looking for a device for some project often asked
Openmoko Inc. if they could have a GTA02 with some features removed
or with other - often small - changes. Unfortunately, Openmoko Inc.
did not have the resources for making such derivatives.

However, this is a promise the approach chosen for gta02-core holds:
with the whole design out in the open (Open Design Hardware [1]),
anyone can independently define, implement, and produce derivatives.

[1] http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openness/odhwdr-v1.pdf

This doesn't mean that everyone is forced to fight all alone. To the
contrary, there are many possible synergies along the way that are
not visible as such in the traditional product development process,
such as shared sourcing or shared manufacturing.

For example, if you want to make your GPS PDA, you may choose a set
of changes that fits your budget, e.g., by staying with the overall
platform and physical shape but removing subsystems you don't need.

When it then comes to sourcing components and manufacturing, the
same facilities used for making the phone could offer their services
also to your project. The incremental cost for them would be very
small, much smaller than running a completely different product of
similar complexity.

Also the "core company" (or whatever form of organization) in charge
of the base design would benefit. If it has spare engineering
resources to put into derivative projects, it can choose to do so,
favouring projects that best suit its agenda.

If not, others can help out. Thus, the business opportunity is not
wasted - it only goes to someone else you could think of as an ally.
Even better, resources that can be shared contribute back to the
whole ensemble of projects. E.g., if your PDA is wildly successful,
sourcing may be able to get much getter conditions for parts than
they did with just the phone. Or a new type of subsystem gets
researched and is then available as a possible building block for
the entire architectural family. Thus also the phone benefits.

Now some may say that this is crazy and that anyone handing out
designs so liberally would be robbed by competitors. In my
experience, it's surprisingly hard to get people to "steal" your
cool new ideas. Eventually, the thieves and parasites will show up,
but you have to be successful for an awfully long time before they
even notice you.

> [...] but rather to point out that there
> is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team,
> working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a
> product with hardware on a par with what the big players are
> contemporaneously offering.

I agree on the point that there's no hope to mass-produce a phone
without suitable resources. The resources don't have to be in one
hand (e.g., you could have a consortium of entities each
contributing their own capabilities and splitting the proceeds),
but they have to be available.

However, I don't think it's necessary to compete on leading edge
technology. Often enough, less advanced components will yield an
equally satisfying product. Besides, companies that don't have the
sexiest product in their sector of the market are often much
friendlier towards openness than those who do.

Please don't take the poor performance of GTA01 or GTA02 as too much
of an indicator of what "second best" can do. Both are based on very
conservative designs (e.g., no DDR) and GTA02 has two thirds of its
high-throughput peripherals share an incredibly slow bus.

(Think of a first-generation PCI-based PC where someone chooses to
use ISA cards for video and the SCSI controller. Would such a system
properly represent the typical performance of the PCI architecture ?)

The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.

> In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the
> GPS-PDA arena.

I think there is a whole universe full of unexplored niches. It's
hidden from us by a tall wall called "high cost of entry". If we can
find ways to lower that wall, a lot of interesting things should
happen.

- Werner

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Koolu's Qi fork (was: Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Paul Fertser]

Al Johnson  writes:
>> I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also
>> requires you to have custom bootloader?
>
> I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot  
> parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. I find 
> uboot very easy for multibooting.

First of all, i do not exactly understand why koolu decided that they
really need another MTD partitioning scheme. There was never any
discussion about that.

Second, they should have warned their users in a big bold letters.

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Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger  wrote:
> The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
> place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
> for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
> high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.

There is also the openpandora project:
http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en

Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?

Laszlo

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Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Joerg Eesmann]

Hi,
I would love to have an open phone with OMAP processor like OpenPandora
and BeagleBoard. Both have the OMAP 3530 with 3D acceleration and DSP.
Maybe a phone doesn't need the DSP. But it is amazingly powersufficient,
IMO. The phone would be up to date from processor power, and there
should not be a resource problem so soon, I guess. BeagleBoard and
OpenPandora are both well supported in OE, so from SW-side there should
not be so much effort (in theorie, you kow...).
>From HW-side another nicy is the POP (package on package). In the
BeagleBoard they are using a variant, where the RAM and NAND (both in
one Chip) is soldered on top of the processor, so the high speed lines
to DDR-RAM are not going through the PCB (on the other of course, you
have the process of soldering...).
... just dreaming ...
Joerg

On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:39 +0100, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger  
> wrote:
> > The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
> > place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
> > for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
> > high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.
> 
> There is also the openpandora project:
> http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2〈=en
> 
> Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?
> 
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Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Werner Almesberger]

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?

There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider
when choosing chips include:

- do they fit the intended purpose ?
- are they open enough for our purposes ?
- are they available (to us) ?
- will they be available as long as we need them ?
- are they affordable ?
- what are the integration costs ?
- what are the opportunity costs ?
- do they work as intended ?
- how do they fit our technical capabilities ?
- what legal exposures do they cause ?

Of course, you don't see companies advertize much on the issues listed
above. Quite to the contrary - how often does one see a feature
presented as "patented proprietary technology" as if this was a good
thing ?

- Werner

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