Re: Unified PIM
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:49 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then close it down and open up my OM interface and look at them, they should be the same. All edit are visible.. No double entry. Agreed, but I'd take it one step further. Given the neo has an internet connection, why can't PIM data be stored on a web server and just cached locally. Couldn't you then integrate that into desktop PIM applications too? Ok, so this isn't a new idea. :-) Evolution Data Server supports integration to groupware backends, but from what I've seen, these are enterprise-class groupware servers designed for corporations. I can't seem to find anything designed for the consumer, an internet-accessible groupware server I can sign up to and store my contacts in a single place. The problem is not local - I'd be surprised if Embedded EDS couldn't be adapted to store it's data on a server and just use a cached dataset locally. The problem is that this requires some server infrastructure and so far I've yet to find something which will do it. Has anyone else seen this done? Interestingly, there was a Google Summer of Code project to write a Google Calendar backend to EDS. See: http://ebbyw.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/google-calendar-evolution/ Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unified PIM
Think, at current state of cooperation between projects (OpenMoko Qtopia) synchronization with server is one of the very few ways (I'd prefer to see SyncML; there are few of free and commercial servers supported this protocol already). But also it is possible to synchronize different databases by using local files - just export/import procedures, maybe even automatically (on each start/stop for example). What do you think? VC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then close it down and open up my OM interface and look at them, they should be the same. All edit are visible.. No double entry. Agreed, but I'd take it one step further. Given the neo has an internet connection, why can't PIM data be stored on a web server and just cached locally. Couldn't you then integrate that into desktop PIM applications too? Ok, so this isn't a new idea. :-) Evolution Data Server supports integration to groupware backends, but from what I've seen, these are enterprise-class groupware servers designed for corporations. I can't seem to find anything designed for the consumer, an internet-accessible groupware server I can sign up to and store my contacts in a single place. The problem is not local - I'd be surprised if Embedded EDS couldn't be adapted to store it's data on a server and just use a cached dataset locally. The problem is that this requires some server infrastructure and so far I've yet to find something which will do it. Has anyone else seen this done? Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unified PIM
Joshua Layne schrieb: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:49:43 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then close it down and open up my OM interface and look at them, they should be the same. All edit are visible.. No double entry. Agreed, but I'd take it one step further. Given the neo has an internet connection, why can't PIM data be stored on a web server and just cached locally. Couldn't you then integrate that into desktop PIM applications too? I would prefer to not have a network dependency on PIM data. It might be a nice extra feature, but I would like to see the core data held on the phone supported by the different front-ends. I may want to switch frontends without resyncing all my data. It seems like LiPS might be a good start for this shared architecture. As one being involved in LiPS I feel obliged to reply here ;) Yes, with the LiPS approach both sides could be satisfied... the LiPS PIM API is devided into an upper layer service API for applications to use and a lower layer Enabler API for connecting backends. So what an application would do is to use the service API and then you can use any application that conforms to that API without resyncing your data. Also for the backend, the application does not need to know where the data comes from, be it a network remote calendar or a local EDS contacts database. So for me it would make perfect sense to use the LiPS APIs and bring some flexibility to the applications. In the event of a non-compliant implementation, perhaps wrapper/abstraction scripts could be built to make it transparent to the end user? I would prefer to use a standardised API... make things a lot easier. Regards, j. Cheers nils faerber -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unified PIM
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:49:43 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then close it down and open up my OM interface and look at them, they should be the same. All edit are visible.. No double entry. Agreed, but I'd take it one step further. Given the neo has an internet connection, why can't PIM data be stored on a web server and just cached locally. Couldn't you then integrate that into desktop PIM applications too? I would prefer to not have a network dependency on PIM data. It might be a nice extra feature, but I would like to see the core data held on the phone supported by the different front-ends. I may want to switch frontends without resyncing all my data. It seems like LiPS might be a good start for this shared architecture. In the event of a non-compliant implementation, perhaps wrapper/abstraction scripts could be built to make it transparent to the end user? Regards, j. Ok, so this isn't a new idea. :-) Evolution Data Server supports integration to groupware backends, but from what I've seen, these are enterprise-class groupware servers designed for corporations. I can't seem to find anything designed for the consumer, an internet-accessible groupware server I can sign up to and store my contacts in a single place. The problem is not local - I'd be surprised if Embedded EDS couldn't be adapted to store it's data on a server and just use a cached dataset locally. The problem is that this requires some server infrastructure and so far I've yet to find something which will do it. Has anyone else seen this done? Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
