Re: Update from OpenMoko
On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 09:27 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 19:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Will I be able to use GTA02 as a phone? Or will I still be required to > > have the neo plugged in via usb tied to a computer and ssh in, and face > > east while standing on one leg to make a phone call? > > > > More direct question: What state will the software be in when the GTA02 > > ships? (Not that I will buy a GTA02, I am just wondering when I can use my > > GTA01) > > If you're using the latest OpenMoko software (i.e. in the last week or > so), you should find it is becoming a lot more usable. There are quite a > number of patches to gsmd being applied in OpenEmbedded which means it > appears to be a lot more stable, which in turn means making calls is a > lot more reliable. We've been using two Neo1973s to call each other > multiple times in the last week without any fiddling on the command > line. > > Of course, battery life is a separate issue. Maybe I spoke to soon. If you enable the "Full Power Management" mode from the power button menu, the battery will last for much longer (e.g. overnight). Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 19:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Will I be able to use GTA02 as a phone? Or will I still be required to > have the neo plugged in via usb tied to a computer and ssh in, and face > east while standing on one leg to make a phone call? > > More direct question: What state will the software be in when the GTA02 > ships? (Not that I will buy a GTA02, I am just wondering when I can use my > GTA01) If you're using the latest OpenMoko software (i.e. in the last week or so), you should find it is becoming a lot more usable. There are quite a number of patches to gsmd being applied in OpenEmbedded which means it appears to be a lot more stable, which in turn means making calls is a lot more reliable. We've been using two Neo1973s to call each other multiple times in the last week without any fiddling on the command line. Of course, battery life is a separate issue. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Will I be able to use GTA02 as a phone? Or will I still be required to > have the neo plugged in via usb tied to a computer and ssh in, and face > east while standing on one leg to make a phone call? > > More direct question: What state will the software be in when the GTA02 > ships? (Not that I will buy a GTA02, I am just wondering when I can use my > GTA01) Not to plug for Qtopia, but when you try ScaredyCat's Qtopia rootfs, I must admit it feels a lot more polished (of course, they had a head start ;-). For my purposes, it's almost good as a day-to-day phone - I can make phone-calls, send SMSes, take notes, calendar activites, etcetera without ever using a terminal (except for battery time (Lorn Potter from Qtopia is working on getting suspend working for the next snapshot - it currently breaks GSM after resume) and some quirks with writing with the onscreen keyboard). Just my $.02! Kindest regards, Jørgen P. Tjernø. Ps. I love OpenMoko! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHAeaSUMzc1WGo4zgRApoPAJ4+1AUc1rlEFCZaGfuN42BTEhfQsACgoNDl decsakySO+Mc1DdB6KszR0w= =TJzl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will I be able to use GTA02 as a phone? We hope so, but we won't hold up release of the hardware if the software is incomplete. The November release of GTA02 is still aimed at developers: The hardware will be finished, but the software will still be under development. Or will I still be required to have the neo plugged in via usb tied to a computer and ssh in, and face east while standing on one leg to make a phone call? :-) More direct question: What state will the software be in when the GTA02 ships? (Not that I will buy a GTA02, I am just wondering when I can use my GTA01) In my next update I hope to focus more on the software. I've been on the road lately and have not had a chance to talk to the software team; I hope to do so next week. Then I should be able to provide some information as to (a) the current state of the software and (b) the state of the software we expect to coincide with the release of GTA02. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
Will I be able to use GTA02 as a phone? Or will I still be required to have the neo plugged in via usb tied to a computer and ssh in, and face east while standing on one leg to make a phone call? More direct question: What state will the software be in when the GTA02 ships? (Not that I will buy a GTA02, I am just wondering when I can use my GTA01) > GTA02: > -- > > We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this > point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware > platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made > three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis > of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end > users in early to mid December. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. Can you provide an update on the GPS situation for GTA02? The most recent information I had heard was that two different chipsets were being evaluated. Has the choice been made yet? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
Rod Whitby wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: GTA02: -- We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. Is that mid-December for: a) the pilot-run P0 developer end users (just like the P0 50-units free phase of GTA01), or b) the mass production P1 developer end users (just like the P1 GTA01 phones currently being sold), or c) the mass production P2 general market software-ready end users? We understand that schedules are hard to estimate and will vary wildly based on things outside the control of those estimating the timeframes, but we can still be very precise about exactly *what* it is that we are hearing time-scale estimates for ;-) I would guess b), but let me confirm. Michael begin:vcard fn:Michael Shiloh n:Shiloh;Michael org:OpenMoko.org email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Evangelist, Developer Relations tel;cell:+1 (415) 254-7485 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.openmoko.org version:2.1 end:vcard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders to get some idea of what volume will be needed upon launch? After waiting this long it sure wouldn't be nice not to get one because they are in short supply! Sounds like a good idea. I will suggest this to the appropriate people. Michael begin:vcard fn:Michael Shiloh n:Shiloh;Michael org:OpenMoko.org email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Evangelist, Developer Relations tel;cell:+1 (415) 254-7485 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.openmoko.org version:2.1 end:vcard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
On 9/28/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello OpenMoko community, Hello Michael! > We have spent some time getting briefed by the OpenMoko staff in Taiwan, > and here is our first update: Thanks for the update! > GTA02: > Our best case analysis > of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end > users in early to mid December. Great! I was committed to wait until December to buy a GTA-02 (Ok, I lied, I'd wait longer if I had to :-) ), so, great news! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: > three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis > of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end > users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders to get some idea of what volume will be needed upon launch? After waiting this long it sure wouldn't be nice not to get one because they are in short supply! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update from OpenMoko
Michael Shiloh wrote: > GTA02: > -- > > We are entering the last phases of finalizing the design. From this > point forward there are three key milestones in the life of a hardware > platform: Prototype runs; a pilot run; and mass production. We have made > three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis > of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end > users in early to mid December. Is that mid-December for: a) the pilot-run P0 developer end users (just like the P0 50-units free phase of GTA01), or b) the mass production P1 developer end users (just like the P1 GTA01 phones currently being sold), or c) the mass production P2 general market software-ready end users? We understand that schedules are hard to estimate and will vary wildly based on things outside the control of those estimating the timeframes, but we can still be very precise about exactly *what* it is that we are hearing time-scale estimates for ;-) -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
