Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi JW,

This is wonderful. Thanks for coming up with the idea and for 
implementing it.


I look forward to seeing more applications on this page.

Regards,
Michael

JW wrote:

Hi OpenMoko Community,

I was thinking about the target market for Neo FreeRunner - the non-geek
smartphone user.   There is very little to tempt them in the current wiki and
indeed the main page dedicated to them is 


* hidden halfway down the main page
* refers to them as "basic end users" 
Both of these need changed but I haven't done this yet as I didn't want to mess

with the main page structure.

However I did create a new page to provide an advert for all the great software
that is being ported or developed for the OpenMoko platform right now. I
have filled in two example apps I personally heard about (hope the devs feel ok
to be featured!).  Please have a look and as usual change what you want done
better :-)

The Basic_End-user page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Basic_End-user

The new OpenMoko Community Applications Page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Community_Applications

JW


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Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-07 Thread JW
Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> That looks maintenance-intensive, and pretty soon would tend to be
> long and unwieldy (too many packages); consequently it will tend not
> be very trustworthy, because who's going to keep it updated?

That is a very fair point.

However this page was intended to be a short advert for the type of thing 
available for _non-techy_ possibly _non-linux_ users to turn them on to the 
possibilities of open source software for the OpenMoko platform.

I suggest we solve this one by 
* listing a max of 8 good applications that would appeal to the ordinary 
smartphone user
* add the link to the projects page (which I meant to add but forgot)

If anyone feels that is counterproductive then feel free to remove and simply 
replace with a link to the projects page.

JW





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Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-06 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 16:48 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the
> ipkg is on its own separate site.  (Why?  it must mean it's too hard
> to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?) 

I haven't yet asked  anybody to get tangoGPS into the offical repository
- I first want to collect user expericene feedback.

However: I like Ubuntu's idea with Universe / Multiverse. The first
being the official set of apps maintained or endorsed by Openmoko and
the second one being a wider collection of software.




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Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the
> ipkg is on its own separate site.  (Why?  it must mean it's too hard
> to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?)

Getting it into the openmoko feeds requires

1) Getting it into OpenEmbedded
2) Adding it to the openmoko-feeds recipe.

Admittedly, #1 is a fairly high barrier to entry.

-- Rod

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Re: Wiki - New Page - OpenMoko Community Applications

2008-02-06 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Feb 6, 2008 3:18 PM, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The new OpenMoko Community Applications Page
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Community_Applications

That looks maintenance-intensive, and pretty soon would tend to be
long and unwieldy (too many packages); consequently it will tend not
be very trustworthy, because who's going to keep it updated?  All
manually?  What's wrong with browsing http://projects.openmoko.org/ ?

I was thinking something more like packages.gentoo.org would be nice -
an index of every package that ipkg can download, with as much
descriptive stuff as can be assembled from existing sources.  The mere
existence of the package on a known ipkg source site (or the bitbake
recipe in the dev tree) should be enough to cause this "package
metadata" site to be up-to-date automatically, without having to
register on projects.openmoko.org plus set up the bitbake recipes plus
edit this new wiki page too... oh and if you run on other distros
besides OpenMoko, maybe better register the project at Freshmeat and
Sourceforge too.  I usually just ssh to the phone and do

ipkg list | grep likely-name-fragment

to see if something is available, because that way I can also find
libraries and such, which would not appear on projects.openmoko.org.
Is there already a more complete index like that on the web?

And BTW this method would not work for finding TangoGPS, because the
ipkg is on its own separate site.  (Why?  it must mean it's too hard
to get a new ipkg into the regular repository, right?)  And it's not
on projects.openmoko.org either.  This kind of fragmentation must mean
the process is too cumbersome, and we need a master index which
aggregates everything automatically so end-users have just one place
to look.

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