Re: which applications are usable

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:10:29 -0400 "Kevin Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >  To this i have a little question. I didn't find the ESC-key (which is
> > essentially in vi(m)) and i also didn't find the CTRL-key. Whithout this a
> > simple tail can make you to kill the hole window.
> 
> The current keyboard in the Openmoko images is not the keyboard that
> will be shipped. The full QWERTY keyboard had a bug that broke
> important functions, so the multi-tap input was dropped in as a
> replacement. Because this doesn't have a (-) or a CTRL or a / key,
> it's essentially useless for terminal.
> 
> Raster is working on a replacement keyboard. When it ends up in the
> images is unknown.

if people checked illume - it's all already in svn. it allows for custom
keyboard layouts - they are simply text files where you can lay-out any keys
you like. don't like the default one? edit it! :) it has dictionary correction
ability based on lookup matching, nearby key fuzz and word usage frequency for
normal "english" test entry (sorry code right now is not utf-8 clean and it is
missing a clean string char (utf8) <-> keysym mapping table), but it's there
and works fairly well for TEXT entry. it is CAPABLE of being a full qwerty
keyboard - yes including ctrl, alt, escape etc. just via a keyboard layout file.

code is in svn for illume. feel free to try it :)

> >
> >  Greetings Bastian
> >
> >  Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb:
> >
> >
> >  | On 4/18/08, *Eildert Groeneveld* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > PROTECTED]>>
> > wrote:
> >  |
> >  | On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
> >  | > I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.
> > This is
> >  | > definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
> >  |
> >  | Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
> >  | Eildert
> >  |
> >  |  | At least if you use an external keyboard!
> >  | And use vim (vi improved) instead of vi so you get the added
> > functionality (e.g. code completion is nice when you don't have an external
> > keyboard) and syntax highlighing (since it can be difficoult to detect
> > typo's) :)
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Re: which applications are usable

[Bastian Muck]

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Ok, Thank you for reply.

Greetings Bastian
Kevin Dean schrieb:
| On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

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|>  To this i have a little question. I didn't find the ESC-key (which is
|> essentially in vi(m)) and i also didn't find the CTRL-key. Whithout 
this a

|> simple tail can make you to kill the hole window.
|
| The current keyboard in the Openmoko images is not the keyboard that
| will be shipped. The full QWERTY keyboard had a bug that broke
| important functions, so the multi-tap input was dropped in as a
| replacement. Because this doesn't have a (-) or a CTRL or a / key,
| it's essentially useless for terminal.
|
| Raster is working on a replacement keyboard. When it ends up in the
| images is unknown.
|
|>  Greetings Bastian
|>
|>  Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb:
|>
|>
|>  | On 4/18/08, *Eildert Groeneveld* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

|> wrote:
|>  |
|>  | On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
|>  | > I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.
|> This is
|>  | > definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
|>  |
|>  | Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
|>  | Eildert
|>  |
|>  |  | At least if you use an external keyboard!
|>  | And use vim (vi improved) instead of vi so you get the added
|> functionality (e.g. code completion is nice when you don't have an 
external

|> keyboard) and syntax highlighing (since it can be difficoult to detect
|> typo's) :)
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Re: which applications are usable

[Jay Vaughan]

Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
Eildert



I have it running right now, color syntax, cscope integration, the  
works ..


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Re: which applications are usable

[Jay Vaughan]

On Apr 18, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Tim Shannon wrote:
I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.   
This is definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.





If you love OpenMoko for the Terminal app, you're going to love using  
the Neo with a BT keyboard.  I've got my neo1973 glommed to my Apple  
BT wireless keyboard, and I have to say it is one of the happiest  
hacking terminals I've had in a long time.  W00t.


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Re: which applications are usable

[Marcus Bauer]

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Kevin Dean wrote:
> the multi-tap input was dropped in as a
> replacement. Because this doesn't have a (-) or a CTRL or a / key,
> it's essentially useless for terminal.

It does have a / (on the +/0) but the slash does not come up in the
terminal. However, the slash *does* come for example in the SMS
application - took me some time to figure that out...

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Re: which applications are usable

[Kevin Dean]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  To this i have a little question. I didn't find the ESC-key (which is
> essentially in vi(m)) and i also didn't find the CTRL-key. Whithout this a
> simple tail can make you to kill the hole window.

The current keyboard in the Openmoko images is not the keyboard that
will be shipped. The full QWERTY keyboard had a bug that broke
important functions, so the multi-tap input was dropped in as a
replacement. Because this doesn't have a (-) or a CTRL or a / key,
it's essentially useless for terminal.

Raster is working on a replacement keyboard. When it ends up in the
images is unknown.

>
>  Greetings Bastian
>
>  Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb:
>
>
>  | On 4/18/08, *Eildert Groeneveld* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
>  |
>  | On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
>  | > I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.
> This is
>  | > definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
>  |
>  | Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
>  | Eildert
>  |
>  |  | At least if you use an external keyboard!
>  | And use vim (vi improved) instead of vi so you get the added
> functionality (e.g. code completion is nice when you don't have an external
> keyboard) and syntax highlighing (since it can be difficoult to detect
> typo's) :)
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Re: which applications are usable

[jluis]

>> On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
>>> I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
>>> definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
>>
>> Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
>> Eildert
>
> no, emacs!
>
> *ducks*

Is that a pretext to buy a bt keyboard?

The screen isn't multitouch.

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Re: which applications are usable

[Bastian Muck]

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To this i have a little question. I didn't find the ESC-key (which is 
essentially in vi(m)) and i also didn't find the CTRL-key. Whithout this 
a simple tail can make you to kill the hole window.


Greetings Bastian

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb:
| On 4/18/08, *Eildert Groeneveld* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:

|
| On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
| > I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  
This is

| > definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
|
| Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
| Eildert
|
|  
| At least if you use an external keyboard!
| And use vim (vi improved) instead of vi so you get the added 
functionality (e.g. code completion is nice when you don't have an 
external keyboard) and syntax highlighing (since it can be difficoult to 
detect typo's) :)

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Re: which applications are usable

[Matt Manjos]

I was waiting for someone to say that ;)

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Sander van Grieken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
>  >> I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
>  >> definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
>  >
>  > Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
>  > Eildert
>
>  no, emacs!
>
>  *ducks*
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Re: which applications are usable

[Sander van Grieken]

> On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
>> I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
>> definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
>
> Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
> Eildert

no, emacs!

*ducks*



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Re: which applications are usable

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/18/08, Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
> > I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
> > definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.
>
> Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
> Eildert


At least if you use an external keyboard!
And use vim (vi improved) instead of vi so you get the added functionality
(e.g. code completion is nice when you don't have an external keyboard) and
syntax highlighing (since it can be difficoult to detect typo's) :)
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Re: which applications are usable

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Friday 18 April 2008, Tim Shannon wrote:
> I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
> definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.

Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
Eildert

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Re: which applications are usable

[Tim Shannon]

I love that the terminal is one of the requisite applications.  This is
definitely a phone I'm looking forward to.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I'll update in a bit, but for launch we put the focus on basic
> applicatons
> for developers to get started. Dialer, contacts,SMS, and terminal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Hello List
>
> with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently
> in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
> What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the
> current
> qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
>
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RE: which applications are usable

[steve]

 I'll update in a bit, but for launch we put the focus on basic applicatons
for developers to get started. Dialer, contacts,SMS, and terminal.

 




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Hello List

with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently
in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the
current
qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)

greetings

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Re: which applications are usable

[Marcus Bauer]

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 00:33 +0300, Flyin_bbb8 wrote:
> Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your
> neo 1973? on average ...

I have to second what Kevin already answered. 3-5 hours. However, the
spare batteries are just a few grams, so I don't care - they easily fit
in my pockets. Try to put three or four spare laptop batteries in your
pockets... ;-P

IMHO the whole point of a smart phone is to use the computing power -
otherwise one could just use a normal phone - they come with contact
managers and browser too.

I rather carry three of the little batteries than being annoyed by a
screen that switches to half light after five seconds and off after ten
- I don't use all that energy saving stuff. Nor do i want to wait for
the phone to come out of suspend.

That said, I'd estimate that with the freerunner you can probably get
through the day if you don't use it much. But rather get used to the
thought of carrying the spare batteries. It is a problem that all
intelligent devices have. Be it laptops or smart phones.

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Re: which applications are usable

[Flyin_bbb8]

yea for sure, it's a must.

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanx kevin, that's no good, when does it start warning about low
> battery?,
> > or does it even do that?
>
> It doesn't. This is perhaps my single BIGGEST complaint. I don't
> really mind that the battery dies in 5 hours, because I can plug it up
> within that window. What bothers the hell out of me is that the phone
> runs itself into the ground to the point where it can't even be turned
> on without an hour of slow charging. :( I understand this is a
> firmware issue and that at least this last part has been corrected in
> the Freerunner.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on
> your
> > neo
> > > > 1973? on average ...
> > >
> > > Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the "Dim first, don't lock"
> > > mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the
> > > backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're
> > > actually using the device.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are
> > > > currently
> > > > > > in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone
> > call.
> > > > > > What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or
> does
> > the
> > > > current
> > > > > > qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really
> useful)
> > > > >
> > > > > Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I
> hae
> > > > > been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan
> of
> > > > > openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these
> maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop
> too,
> > > > > i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.
> > > > >
> > > > > The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/
> > > > >
> > > > > And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a
> good
> > job
> > > > > in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without
> > major
> > > > > probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
> > > > > graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcus
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: which applications are usable

[Kevin Dean]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanx kevin, that's no good, when does it start warning about low battery?,
> or does it even do that?

It doesn't. This is perhaps my single BIGGEST complaint. I don't
really mind that the battery dies in 5 hours, because I can plug it up
within that window. What bothers the hell out of me is that the phone
runs itself into the ground to the point where it can't even be turned
on without an hour of slow charging. :( I understand this is a
firmware issue and that at least this last part has been corrected in
the Freerunner.

>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your
> neo
> > > 1973? on average ...
> >
> > Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the "Dim first, don't lock"
> > mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the
> > backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're
> > actually using the device.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are
> > > currently
> > > > > in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone
> call.
> > > > > What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does
> the
> > > current
> > > > > qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
> > > >
> > > > Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae
> > > > been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of
> > > > openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too,
> > > > i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.
> > > >
> > > > The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/
> > > >
> > > > And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good
> job
> > > > in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without
> major
> > > > probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
> > > > graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Marcus
> > > >
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Re: which applications are usable

[Flyin_bbb8]

Thanx kevin, that's no good, when does it start warning about low battery?,
or does it even do that?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your
> neo
> > 1973? on average ...
>
> Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the "Dim first, don't lock"
> mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the
> backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're
> actually using the device.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> > >
> > > > with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are
> > currently
> > > > in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone
> call.
> > > > What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does
> the
> > current
> > > > qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
> > >
> > > Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae
> > > been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of
> > > openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps.
> > >
> > > If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too,
> > > i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.
> > >
> > > The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/
> > >
> > > And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good
> job
> > > in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without
> major
> > > probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
> > > graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)
> > >
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > >
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Re: which applications are usable

[Kevin Dean]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo
> 1973? on average ...

Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the "Dim first, don't lock"
mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the
backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're
actually using the device.


>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> >
> > > with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are
> currently
> > > in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
> > > What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the
> current
> > > qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
> >
> > Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae
> > been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of
> > openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps.
> >
> > If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too,
> > i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.
> >
> > The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/
> >
> > And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job
> > in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major
> > probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
> > graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
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Re: which applications are usable

[Flyin_bbb8]

Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo
1973? on average ...

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
>
> > with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are
> currently
> > in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
> > What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the
> current
> > qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
>
> Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae
> been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of
> openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps.
>
> If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too,
> i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.
>
> The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/
>
> And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job
> in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major
> probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
> graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)
>
> Marcus
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Re: which applications are usable

[Marcus Bauer]

On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:

> with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently
> in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
> What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the current
> qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)

Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae
been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of
openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps.

If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too,
i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC.

The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/

And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job
in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major
probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in
graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-)

Marcus


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Re: which applications are usable

[Kevin Dean]

I do reviews using the GTA01 and will begin doing reviews on the GTA02
as soon as I have it.

Currently, I use the Neo1973 (GTA01) as my primary phone. Call quality
is decent. There are some stability issues that come and go as the
code is tweaked and such. Just about everything in a default image
that works on the GTA01 works on Freerunner, from what I hear.

Sending and receiving SMS messages works fine. Incoming calls work
fine. Outgoing calls work fine. You can save contacts to your address
book and recall them. You can play some basic games. You can set
reminders in the calendar, use the calculator. Listen to music (mp3
and Vorbis are the only I've tested, but probably others too).

Again, I've not gotten my hands on a Freerunner yet, so assuming
there's not some massive bug and an internal conspiracy to conceal it,
that should be about the same on Freerunner. :)

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List
>
>  with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently
>  in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call.
>  What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the current
>  qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful)
>
>  greetings
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