Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/8/6 David Reyes Samblas Martinez : > 2009/8/6 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer : >> Great progress, thanks for the update. There's one thing I'm wondering about >> though... all of these activities seem to surround free hardware. While >> that's >> great, I wonder whether there are any plans to support the development of >> software as well? >> >> Cheers, >> >> :M: > AFAIK, USP has offer at least insfrastutructure (list, servers...) for > software projects ..hum.. so many tructucutu, the just offer infrastructure ;) > >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/8/6 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer : > Great progress, thanks for the update. There's one thing I'm wondering about > though... all of these activities seem to surround free hardware. While that's > great, I wonder whether there are any plans to support the development of > software as well? > > Cheers, > > :M: AFAIK, USP has offer at least insfrastutructure (list, servers...) for software projects > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/8/5 Jon 'maddog' Hall : > Rask, > >>> Government will also want some return. I don't see clearly (yet) how >>>a project like ours can give them that (like OLPC and portuguese's >>>"Magalhães"). > >> A phone that's more difficult to sneak spyware into than a closed >>one such as an IPhone or Blackberry. How do you know it isn't secretly >>being wiretapped? How do you *know*? With open hardware, there are no >>secret power supplies or audio inputs to the GSM/UMTS chip. With open >>hardware, you also decide what software to run on it, such as to >>deselect back doors, or implement encrypted conversation over GSM data >>calls, which AFAIK isn't available in any of the closed phones. > > All of what you said is true. On the other hand, perhaps the twelfth > largest economy (and the sixth largest user of cell phones) > > http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933605.html > > [Note that the European Union is counted as a "country"] > > would just like the chance to have its largest university (and their > students) participate in designing an open phone that could be freely > licensed and manufactured by any one of its high-tech companies. A > basic phone design that could be changed to meet various needs in the > country. Manufacturing jobs? > > Werner is in contact with the professor, working on the logistics of > GTA02-core. I am working (in my copious spare time...yeah, right) on a > plan for financing. > > We are moving forward. > > md > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Good to know :) -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > > I saw the Linux kernel in 1994, with (approximately) 124,000 people > "using it", most of whom were hobbyists, students, technical people. maddog - Now you are making me feel old! :-) I think I first installed a 0.99 version of linux on a 386 in '93 - and was very happy to be able to use it to do my university math assignments in LaTex... I think you make a good analogy in many ways - for one, I'm sure that the 386 I first installed linux on had much less processing power, ram and storage than the Freerunner has. But more importantly, you could make a linux system in those days do something useful, but you had to work pretty hard at it - digging through usenet groups for modelines so you could get your monitor to work, twiddling irqs, etc. Definitely not for the faint of heart. I think in many ways the Freerunner is at about that stage now. Instead of tweaking the Xconfig file you need to tweak the Alsa configs, but the principal is the same. Maybe SHR will prove me wrong, but I still think we've got a long ways to go before we can get even a basic functioning phone without a lot of twiddling. In the last few years Linux on the desktop has reached the point where you can get a long way without any system administration skills - It's been a few years now since I've had to twiddle an Xorg.conf file, and I mostly interact with my linux systems as an end-user, and only very rarely have to fall back on my past life of doing sysadmin-ish things... I only hope it won't take 15 years for the Freerunner to catch up with Linux on the desktop! :-) > On the other hand, I will be frank with the community. Unless we can > generate a phone and software stacks that will (collectively) generate > the demand for millions of Free and Open Phones, this path will either > fail, or be extremely hard. No hardware component vendor will take us > seriously, and we will have little or no negotiating power. > I certainly agree that both the hardware and software stacks needs to be improved to hit this goal. A good friend of mine just bought an HTC android based phone - he'd have been an ideal FR target - very much pro-opensource, and with years of experience with Linux. His main reason for not getting a Freerunner was that mobile data access was important to him, and GPRS just wasn't fast enough. Having played with both my wife's iPhone 3G and using a browser over GPRS on the FR, I must admit that it makes me kinda jealous... > > The University of Sao Paulo has expertise in this area, and other areas > useful to the phone, as do many other universities. But I would like to > see these universities join the project as members of the community, and > not "take it over". The community should shape the project, just as > many other FOSS projects have been shaped by the community. The area of > usability is, after all, mostly a software project, although shaped by > physical limitations such as screen size, number of buttons, etc. I agree completely - I don't want a uni lab to come along and say "here's what your UI should look like".But I think it'd be very valuable for most of the distros to have someone with real usability experience look at what they have so far and say 'maybe you should try X, Y and Z'. > > > And, as I mentioned before, the project both suffers and glorifies in > the number of software stacks that are on it. > > Koolu prefers the Android distribution. I know that some of you do not > like that stack for various reasons. Koolu believes that Android > running on FreeRunner will generate business and interest in the > FreeRunner that will help every distribution. I think a profusion of distros is great when there is a profusion of developers to work on them... I must admit that I think the current FR community isn't large enough to maintain the wide diversity of distros currently. The merging of the 3 different QtE based efforts into qtmoko is a very promising sign. Android definitely has my interest. It sounds like it's getting very close to being usable, and should open up a much larger community of application developers. I think the best possible thing for the FR software stack would be further consolidation. If we could get the majority of developers working on one of qtmoko, an X based distro (some combination of SHR/OM2009/debian/hackable1/etc), and android, I think it'd greatly increase the rate of progress. > Yes, I can reach into my "sleeves" and try to pull out another ace or > two. Please tell me what you need. I will be glad to give help and > guidance. Well - I'm not sure what I need - but what I want is the ubuntu of Freerunner distros - easy to install, runs flawlessly and stable out of the box, pretty, very intuitive UI with lots of (optional) eye candy, and tight integration between the applications. Ideally available for download in about 2 weeks when I get my buzzfixed FR back.
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Well to me SHR unstable was always by far the most usable and stable distribution out there 2009/7/16 Warren Baird > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak < > seba.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wrote: >> > I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better >> > shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic >> moments, >> > I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable >> distro >> > for the FR has been slow. >> >> I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day >> there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many >> initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but >> development moves forward very quickly. >> >> There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other >> things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make >> use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense >> really easly. >> >> I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. >> And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) > > > > Hmm - maybe I need to try SHR when I get my phone back from it's > buzz-fixing journey. I must admit that only end-user experiences I've had > with the FR have been with OM 2008, QtE and QtEI, and the OM2009 TRs. > > I would certainly agree that the software stack is making progress. > However, in the course of the year I've had an FR, I've seen it go from > completely unusable and unstable software (OM 2008) to relatively usable (as > a phone) software (QtE) to relatively stable and slightly usable (OM2009 > TRs). To me, that seems like slow progress... In my opinion, it seems > like we're only now starting to approach the point we should have been at > when the FR was released. > > If SHR is substantially improved compared to the OM2009 TRs, then perhaps I > need to withdraw my statement.That would in fact make me very happy! > > Warren > > -- > Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist > http://www.synergisticimages.ca > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
When demonstrating the phone SHR was always my distro of choice.. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak < seba.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wrote: > > I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better > > shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic > moments, > > I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable > distro > > for the FR has been slow. > > I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day > there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many > initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but > development moves forward very quickly. > > There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other > things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make > use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense > really easly. > > I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. > And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wrote: > > I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better > > shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic > moments, > > I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable > distro > > for the FR has been slow. > > I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day > there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many > initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but > development moves forward very quickly. > > There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other > things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make > use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense > really easly. > > I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. > And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) Hmm - maybe I need to try SHR when I get my phone back from it's buzz-fixing journey. I must admit that only end-user experiences I've had with the FR have been with OM 2008, QtE and QtEI, and the OM2009 TRs. I would certainly agree that the software stack is making progress. However, in the course of the year I've had an FR, I've seen it go from completely unusable and unstable software (OM 2008) to relatively usable (as a phone) software (QtE) to relatively stable and slightly usable (OM2009 TRs). To me, that seems like slow progress... In my opinion, it seems like we're only now starting to approach the point we should have been at when the FR was released. If SHR is substantially improved compared to the OM2009 TRs, then perhaps I need to withdraw my statement.That would in fact make me very happy! Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wrote: > I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better > shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic moments, > I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable distro > for the FR has been slow. I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but development moves forward very quickly. There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense really easly. I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Hi Jon, Thanks for all this - like most people here, I think this is fantastic news that gives me some meagre hope for the future of the freerunner. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > > One of the issues here is that the project has not exactly been focused > on one stack of softwareergo the number of cycles that it is taking > to get any one stack ready has taken a long time. IMHO this is both a > blessing and a curse. A blessing because the hardware and kernel are > "tickled" in many ways, making the kernel more robust in the long run > and a person has choice in the software stack. A curse because instead > of one intense effort we have several somewhat coordinated efforts. > > >My feeling is that the GTA02 device itself is in pretty good shape > >compared to the software it runs. So how will the community benefit > >from a GTA03? > > Yes, I agree the GTA02 is in "pretty good shape" compared to the > "software it runs". However, it is in "good shape" for the middle of > 2008.not necessarily for the year 2009 or even the end of 2008. > > Eventually the tide will turn and the software will be "in good shape" > while the hardware is perceived as being "long in the tooth". I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic moments, I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable distro for the FR has been slow. I agree that finding people who can work on the phone software is a lot easier than hardware, and I think that this current opportunity is great. However, I also think that at the moment the software environment requires a *lot* of work to be ready for more mainstream users. I'm very happy to hear that there is an organization that can help move the hardware forward... However, until there's a software environment that is feature-complete, user-friendly, and stable enough that a mainstream user can use it, I don't think we're going to find that the 10,000 unit production limit is a big issue. Your goals about 100M units sound fantastic - but I think to get to even 1M units we're going to need a rock-solid, but most importantly, a very user-friendly software environment. something at least as pretty and easy to use as a Pre or an iPhone. I'm not convinced that can happen without more backing than any of the current projects seem to have - you need people trained in usability, tonnes of usability testing across a wide range of audiences, etc. I know it's a lot to ask, but I don't suppose you've got another ace up your sleeve? A university with a usability lab and an interest in the usability of hand-held devices? Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall : > David, > > I would appreciate the translation. Perhaps you can put those on your > web site. Done, http://www.tuxbrain.net/content/la-universidad-de-sao-paulo-se-suma-al-desarrollo-de-openmoko > > As to the other universities, let's see what model we can create with > USP, keeping the other universities in mind, then we can extend that. Exited to see this going on, > > I do believe that growing the community through university involvement > is important. me too :) > > md > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/7/14 Jon 'maddog' Hall > Levy, > > > and would > > like to know if is something that I could do to participate on this > > new effort opened by you. > > > First I want to say that I do not consider this a "new effort", but a > continuation of the effort that the Openmoko community started. If I > "opened" something, it is only a door to help the community move > forward. This, by the way, is one of the things I "do", and I have done > it many, many times before. > Could you clarify a bit what exactly is the goal of this effort? Is it just designing a line of "open hardware" mobile devices (that's what it sounds like), and selling them to manufacturers? Or do they also want to help improve the software, like kernel, fso, x11 drivers, etc for the Neo? My feeling is that the GTA02 device itself is in pretty good shape compared to the software it runs. So how will the community benefit from a GTA03? Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Dear Mr. Jon, I am a student of a Brazilian Federal Technology Center. I had buy a Freerunner from Koolu around a year ago and since that I am reading and studying on this comunity about how to use better the equipment, and would like to know if is something that I could do to participate on this new effort opened by you. Thank you for your efforts, Levy SantAnna. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 08:02, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Dear Openmoko Community, > > In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there > has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts > to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. > > I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and > the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of > São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the > university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to > provide critical resources to the task at hand. > > I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, > have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and > state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community > to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. > Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and > open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the > community with this project. > > I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to > the community: > > First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the > Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very > enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of > the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with > various negotiations with vendors. > > Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of > telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in > telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use > to the Openmoko community. > > Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new > integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital > chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and > freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is > possible. > > Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to > 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the > purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects > that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to > manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial > production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing > the design to companies for manufacture. > > Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and > forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need > hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university > will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. > > Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting > more universities and their facilities to help with this project > world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo > will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. > > Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can > easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, > certification) so the community can leverage off that. > > I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take > before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo > has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university > with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to > do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help > in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and > people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with > questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. > > A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original > PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it > through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I > thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. > > Warmest regards, > > Jon "maddog" Hall > President, Linux International > CTO of Koolu, Inc. > > > == > > São Paulo, 8th July 2009, > > Mr. Jon Maddog Hall > The Executive Director Linux International. > > Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for > Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, is interested > in hosting the OpenMoko Community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Thanks maddog for staying on this over the past month or so. I really appreciatethe effort and I know the rest of the community does as well. As you know I'm unwilling to give up on the dream of the Freerunner and the dream of community driven hardware in general. I know Werner and his group, the GTA02 core team, is dedicated as well to this dream. Let me know how I can help. Steve On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Dear Openmoko Community, > > In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there > has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts > to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. > > I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and > the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of > São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the > university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to > provide critical resources to the task at hand. > > I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, > have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and > state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community > to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. > Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and > open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the > community with this project. > > I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to > the community: > > First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the > Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very > enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of > the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with > various negotiations with vendors. > > Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of > telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in > telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use > to the Openmoko community. > > Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new > integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital > chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and > freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is > possible. > > Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to > 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the > purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects > that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to > manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial > production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing > the design to companies for manufacture. > > Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and > forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need > hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university > will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. > > Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting > more universities and their facilities to help with this project > world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo > will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. > > Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can > easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, > certification) so the community can leverage off that. > > I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take > before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo > has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university > with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to > do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help > in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and > people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with > questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. > > Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. > > Warmest regards, > > Jon "maddog" Hall > President, Linux International > CTO of Koolu, Inc. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall : > John, > >> I made some contact with Openmoko regarding joining their Openlab >> programme a while back now and need to follow that up. We have created >> an MSc in Network and Mobile Computing which has a module designed to >> specifically use "Openmoko". The MSc starts this September so I am >> very interested to share ideas and help spread the love. > > Sounds goodand the university's program to use "Openmoko" in the MSc > sounds great. > > Are you then the contact for Openlab? Can you speak for them? > [snip] No, I was looking to join and contribute to the materials etc. It is mainly a bunch of Taiwanese universities. I am based in the UK. I like the idea of sharing learning resources. I think Openmoko could have a good future within education so I think your work with USP is a great step forward. John. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Re: OpenLab 2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall : > Brenda, > >> Brenda Wang wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> It's really great to hear this. >>> In Taiwan, Tsing Hua university also has a OPENlab. >>> > > I would like to work with the community to engage various universities, > but as I have mentioned before, with limited resources and a press to > get the Openmoko program stable and moving forward again, I think we > need to do this systematically and directly. > > In the meantime, do you have a contact name for the OPENlab at Tsing Hua > University? > > Warmest regards, > > maddog > > I made some contact with Openmoko regarding joining their Openlab programme a while back now and need to follow that up. We have created an MSc in Network and Mobile Computing which has a module designed to specifically use "Openmoko". The MSc starts this September so I am very interested to share ideas and help spread the love. Regards, John. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Nice to hear good news from maddog, but I am curious how many Freerunner that Koolu will buy from Openmoko? Harry 2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall > Brenda, > > > Brenda Wang wrote: > >> > >> +1 > >> It's really great to hear this. > >> In Taiwan, Tsing Hua university also has a OPENlab. > >> > > I would like to work with the community to engage various universities, > but as I have mentioned before, with limited resources and a press to > get the Openmoko program stable and moving forward again, I think we > need to do this systematically and directly. > > In the meantime, do you have a contact name for the OPENlab at Tsing Hua > University? > > Warmest regards, > > maddog > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Awesome accomplishment! Thanks so much Jon - this is really fantastic news. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Dear Openmoko Community, > > In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there > has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts > to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. > > I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and > the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of > São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the > university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to > provide critical resources to the task at hand. > > I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, > have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and > state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community > to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. > Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and > open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the > community with this project. > > I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to > the community: > > First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the > Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very > enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of > the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with > various negotiations with vendors. > > Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of > telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in > telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use > to the Openmoko community. > > Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new > integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital > chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and > freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is > possible. > > Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to > 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the > purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects > that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to > manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial > production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing > the design to companies for manufacture. > > Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and > forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need > hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university > will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. > > Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting > more universities and their facilities to help with this project > world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo > will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. > > Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can > easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, > certification) so the community can leverage off that. > > I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take > before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo > has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university > with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to > do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help > in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and > people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with > questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. > > A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original > PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it > through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I > thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. > > Warmest regards, > > Jon "maddog" Hall > President, Linux International > CTO of Koolu, Inc. > > == > > São Paulo, 8th July 2009, > > Mr. Jon Maddog Hall > The Executive Director Linux International. > > Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for > Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, is interested > in hosting the OpenMoko Community to design innovative cell phone > designs. > > We would like to offer the community the following facilities: > ‐ State-of-art facilities for SMT (Surface Mounting Technology) > prototyping of complex electronics boards; > ‐ State-of-art facilities and expertise for design HW and SW in > te
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
I smell GTA03 coming :-) 2009/7/13 Giovanni > WOW! > > Very good! > > If governments and universities are involved, we can have more power for > developing something good. > > Best regards, > Giovanni > > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: > >> this seems to be really good news, >> good work! >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >> >>> Dear Openmoko Community, >>> >>> In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there >>> has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts >>> to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. >>> >>> I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and >>> the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of >>> São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the >>> university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to >>> provide critical resources to the task at hand. >>> >>> I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, >>> have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and >>> state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community >>> to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. >>> Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and >>> open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the >>> community with this project. >>> >>> I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to >>> the community: >>> >>> First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the >>> Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very >>> enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of >>> the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with >>> various negotiations with vendors. >>> >>> Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of >>> telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in >>> telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use >>> to the Openmoko community. >>> >>> Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new >>> integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital >>> chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and >>> freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is >>> possible. >>> >>> Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to >>> 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the >>> purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects >>> that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to >>> manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial >>> production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing >>> the design to companies for manufacture. >>> >>> Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and >>> forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need >>> hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university >>> will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. >>> >>> Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting >>> more universities and their facilities to help with this project >>> world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo >>> will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. >>> >>> Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can >>> easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, >>> certification) so the community can leverage off that. >>> >>> I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take >>> before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo >>> has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university >>> with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to >>> do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help >>> in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and >>> people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with >>> questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. >>> >>> A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original >>> PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it >>> through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I >>> thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. >>> >>> Warmest regards, >>> >>> Jon "maddog" Hall >>> President, Linux International >>> CTO of Koolu, Inc. >>> >>> >>> == >>> >>> São Paulo, 8th July 2009, >>> >>> Mr. Jon Maddog Hall >>> The Executive Director Linux International. >>> >>> Dear Mr. Hall, according our conv
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Jon you finally succed :), Happy to hear that awesome news, I will try to translate and push that news and communicate to other universities. I hope those with relevant contacts in other universities do the same and create something big (well bigger than really is now) 2009/7/13 Yorick Moko : > this seems to be really good news, > good work! > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >> >> Dear Openmoko Community, >> >> In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there >> has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts >> to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. >> >> I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and >> the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of >> São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the >> university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to >> provide critical resources to the task at hand. >> >> I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, >> have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and >> state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community >> to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. >> Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and >> open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the >> community with this project. >> >> I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to >> the community: >> >> First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the >> Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very >> enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of >> the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with >> various negotiations with vendors. >> >> Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of >> telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in >> telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use >> to the Openmoko community. >> >> Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new >> integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital >> chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and >> freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is >> possible. >> >> Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to >> 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the >> purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects >> that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to >> manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial >> production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing >> the design to companies for manufacture. >> >> Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and >> forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need >> hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university >> will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. >> >> Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting >> more universities and their facilities to help with this project >> world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo >> will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. >> >> Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can >> easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, >> certification) so the community can leverage off that. >> >> I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take >> before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo >> has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university >> with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to >> do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help >> in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and >> people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with >> questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. >> >> A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original >> PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it >> through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I >> thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. >> >> Warmest regards, >> >> Jon "maddog" Hall >> President, Linux International >> CTO of Koolu, Inc. >> >> >> == >> >> São Paulo, 8th July 2009, >> >> Mr. Jon Maddog Hall >> The Executive Director Linux International. >> >> Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for >> Integrated Systems at the Univers
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
WOW! Very good! If governments and universities are involved, we can have more power for developing something good. Best regards, Giovanni On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: > this seems to be really good news, > good work! > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > >> Dear Openmoko Community, >> >> In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there >> has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts >> to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. >> >> I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and >> the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of >> São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the >> university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to >> provide critical resources to the task at hand. >> >> I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, >> have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and >> state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community >> to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. >> Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and >> open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the >> community with this project. >> >> I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to >> the community: >> >> First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the >> Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very >> enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of >> the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with >> various negotiations with vendors. >> >> Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of >> telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in >> telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use >> to the Openmoko community. >> >> Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new >> integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital >> chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and >> freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is >> possible. >> >> Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to >> 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the >> purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects >> that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to >> manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial >> production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing >> the design to companies for manufacture. >> >> Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and >> forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need >> hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university >> will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. >> >> Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting >> more universities and their facilities to help with this project >> world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo >> will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. >> >> Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can >> easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, >> certification) so the community can leverage off that. >> >> I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take >> before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo >> has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university >> with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to >> do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help >> in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and >> people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with >> questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. >> >> A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original >> PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it >> through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I >> thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. >> >> Warmest regards, >> >> Jon "maddog" Hall >> President, Linux International >> CTO of Koolu, Inc. >> >> >> == >> >> São Paulo, 8th July 2009, >> >> Mr. Jon Maddog Hall >> The Executive Director Linux International. >> >> Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for >> Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, is interested >> in hosting the OpenMoko Community to design innovati
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
this seems to be really good news, good work! On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Dear Openmoko Community, > > In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there > has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts > to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. > > I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and > the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of > São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the > university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to > provide critical resources to the task at hand. > > I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, > have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and > state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community > to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. > Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and > open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the > community with this project. > > I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to > the community: > > First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the > Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very > enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of > the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with > various negotiations with vendors. > > Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of > telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in > telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use > to the Openmoko community. > > Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new > integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital > chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and > freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is > possible. > > Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to > 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the > purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects > that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to > manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be "commercial > production". Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing > the design to companies for manufacture. > > Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and > forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need > hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university > will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. > > Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting > more universities and their facilities to help with this project > world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo > will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. > > Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can > easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, > certification) so the community can leverage off that. > > I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take > before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo > has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university > with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to > do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help > in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and > people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with > questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. > > A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original > PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it > through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I > thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. > > Warmest regards, > > Jon "maddog" Hall > President, Linux International > CTO of Koolu, Inc. > > > == > > São Paulo, 8th July 2009, > > Mr. Jon Maddog Hall > The Executive Director Linux International. > > Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for > Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, is interested > in hosting the OpenMoko Community to design innovative cell phone > designs. > > We would like to offer the community the following facilities: > ‐ State-of-art facilities for SMT (Surface Mounting Technology) > prototyping of complex electronics boards; > ‐ State-of-art facilities and expertise for design HW and SW in > telephony and communications;
