Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
Does this (http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=806) mean that we will never be able to use the GTA01 as a phone ? That would really suck ! /Fredrik On Jan 7, 2008 1:53 PM, Krzysztof Kajkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wiadomość napisana w dniu Jan 6, 2008, o godz 11:12 PM, przez Tim > Niemeyer: > > > Hallo, > > > > * Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-01-08 20:15]: > >> that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 > >> in > >> order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that > >> much > >> interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied > >> with > >> GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very > >> differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I > >> thinking along the wrong lines? > > I have read some pages from CPU doku and i think there isn't much work > > to be done, because main thinks are allready there but they don't have > > enough glue. > > As I see it you should focus on standby mode. I read somewhere that > this is not fully functional due to hardware issue (wrong resistor > near GSM chipset) and is difficult to fix. Is that true? If so that > would mean that GTA01 would never be realy usable :( > > cayco > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Jan 6, 2008, o godz 11:12 PM, przez Tim Niemeyer: Hallo, * Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-01-08 20:15]: that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 in order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that much interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied with GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I thinking along the wrong lines? I have read some pages from CPU doku and i think there isn't much work to be done, because main thinks are allready there but they don't have enough glue. As I see it you should focus on standby mode. I read somewhere that this is not fully functional due to hardware issue (wrong resistor near GSM chipset) and is difficult to fix. Is that true? If so that would mean that GTA01 would never be realy usable :( cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
Hallo, * Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-01-08 20:15]: > that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 in > order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that much > interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied with > GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very > differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I > thinking along the wrong lines? I have read some pages from CPU doku and i think there isn't much work to be done, because main thinks are allready there but they don't have enough glue. For the basic things we only need an interface wich could vary the cpu freq. and set it to SLOW mode. Then a program like cpufreqd or so to drive this interface. With this limited power management we could save the most power, i think. Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
On Jan 6, 2008 8:15 PM, Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 in > order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that much > interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied with > GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very > differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I > thinking along the wrong lines? > You can always update the software when the issue is resolved. But you should be aware of that gta02 will have a battery with higher capacity. Maybe you want a different battery also? But the main issue is the power management which hopefully will be fixed. -- Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:35:29 +0100, "Piotr Duda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > [...] > > Look at the answer from Mickey on the post with subject 'Neo faulty?' > > from Jan, 1st. > > It explains what you're looking for. > > no, it doesn't. It only explains "power leaking when Neo is off" problem. > Nicolas is asking why the Neo sucks the power so fast when it is on. > Nicolas check this one out: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management > The page is saying that the power management software is in very > beginning ok, true ;) > stage. Lets hope that this is only a software and no another hidden bug > in hardware. that'd be another important question: Do you think I'd need a GTA02 in order to get a fully working battery? I mean I am not really that much interested in the additional features of GTA02, so I'd be satisfied with GTA01. However, if that power management issue is handled very differently in GTA02 I'd be forced to buy a new device ... Or am I thinking along the wrong lines? regards, Nicolas > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
[...] Look at the answer from Mickey on the post with subject 'Neo faulty?' from Jan, 1st. It explains what you're looking for. no, it doesn't. It only explains "power leaking when Neo is off" problem. Nicolas is asking why the Neo sucks the power so fast when it is on. Nicolas check this one out: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management The page is saying that the power management software is in very beginning stage. Lets hope that this is only a software and no another hidden bug in hardware. regards, Piotr ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
On Sunday 06 January 2008, Marc Verwerft wrote: > Nicolas, > > Well, everything works but the software for optimal usage of the > battery is still under development. And yes, most of us do long for a > device that stays up for a couple of days ... > > Look at the answer from Mickey on the post with subject 'Neo faulty?' > from Jan, 1st. > It explains what you're looking for. That answer is about being able to shut down the phone and not empty the battery. That's not really about being able to use it as a real phone. At least for me, I _never_ shut off my mobile, so it _must_ suspend/resume. There is a bug still in suspend handling, which will cause it to not wake up very often. More so in the 2.6.23 kernels, which seem to never wake up at all from a suspend. Qtopia images, you can enable suspend. This works about 60% of the time for me, using 2.6.22 kernel, and never using the 2.6.23 kernel. > > Regards, > > Marc. > > On Jan 5, 2008 3:21 PM, Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > when I bought the Neo (GTA01) I was under the impression that I bought > > fully functional hardware and software that is being developed. Now it > > seems to me that GTA01 is not fully functional due to very limited > > battery capacity. I consider this a hardware bug, not a software bug. Or > > am I wrong? Is there a possibility that one gets a usable GTA01 (meaning > > a "normal" time one can use the device with the battery)? And what is > > once GTA02 comes out? Will there be anyone still interested in the > > battery life of GTA01? > > > > Best regards, > > Nicolas > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very basic and fundamental question about the Neo
Nicolas, Well, everything works but the software for optimal usage of the battery is still under development. And yes, most of us do long for a device that stays up for a couple of days ... Look at the answer from Mickey on the post with subject 'Neo faulty?' from Jan, 1st. It explains what you're looking for. Regards, Marc. On Jan 5, 2008 3:21 PM, Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > when I bought the Neo (GTA01) I was under the impression that I bought > fully functional hardware and software that is being developed. Now it > seems to me that GTA01 is not fully functional due to very limited > battery capacity. I consider this a hardware bug, not a software bug. Or > am I wrong? Is there a possibility that one gets a usable GTA01 (meaning > a "normal" time one can use the device with the battery)? And what is > once GTA02 comes out? Will there be anyone still interested in the > battery life of GTA01? > > Best regards, > Nicolas > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
