Re: Why not use votation system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Everyone has his own oppinion. I think a forum was a good idea, too. But I just did not write a mail. But kicking anyone of the list just because he/she thinks that some things could be better (at least in their oppinion). Come back to the floor and think about your post. If a mail annoyes you you are free to delete ist and make a new filter in your email-app. Greetings Bastian Robert Taylor schrieb: | Michele Renda wrote: |> |>> Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. |>> |>> |>> | I have a far better idea. | | Why don't we kill this frickin thread and ban anyone from the mailing | list for ever bringing this up? | | Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics? | | I'd rather spend my time helping noobs out when moko starts to get | traction than rehashing really dumb questions like this. | | Rob | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIVqxelYiDScJJ+7QRAo1rAJ9queCfa1FiWAMOc2Gl1d79fpyzDwCfTppZ XzDf5Fve4zCHdiHko/kyxNQ= =YkmP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Openmoko has already embedded voting system. Named "If you want it -- write it" ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Funny enough I got an email from a friend of mine, her signature seems really appropriate here: "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." Albert Einstein While person x may not have committed anything, he may have been in the IRC channel helping people, or person y could have done a huge effort in cleaning up the wiki. Cheers, Federico On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:15 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I havent thought out the details, but essentially I would like a system > where I could be more attentive > To the people making big contributions, without ignoring those who have yet > to make one. Tough balance. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas > Martinez > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:14 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: RE: Why not use votation system? > > good one, code committed to main stream distro? or bash code ? python script > included in that offer? > > > --- El dom, 15/6/08, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > >> De: steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Asunto: RE: Why not use votation system? >> Para: "'List for Openmoko community discussion'" >> >> Fecha: domingo, 15 junio, 2008 9:18 >> Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele >> Renda >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? >> >> Hi Steve >> >> I think I was a bit mis-understood. >> >> I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation >> system! >> If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave. >> >> My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two >> equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to >> use a votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was >> for the audio jacket. >> >> And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say >> "choose A" >> the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to invest >> on it. >> >> I hope I clarified something :) >> >> steve wrote: >> > The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. >> > >> > It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, >> return on >> > investment, parts availability. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Brad >> > Midgley >> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM >> > To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? >> > >> > Michele >> > >> > >> >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? >> >> >> > >> > you might need a table representing the cost and >> business feasibility >> > of each feature. We've seen a lot more >> transparency on the 3g decision >> > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than >> people thought. >> > >> > -- >> > Brad >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > __ > Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics? Do not feed the tro^H^H^Hnoobs perhaps? Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Michele Renda wrote: > >> Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. >> >> >> I have a far better idea. Why don't we kill this frickin thread and ban anyone from the mailing list for ever bringing this up? Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics? I'd rather spend my time helping noobs out when moko starts to get traction than rehashing really dumb questions like this. Rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
No code, no party :) (Italian can understand better this :) steve wrote: > > > Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Depends on what you want to get out of the opinion poll. An expert view or a "mass market" view. Or a democratic expert decision? They may (and will!) differ and my proposal would be to get a view into both. Nikolaus Am 15.06.2008 um 21:18 schrieb steve: > > > Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele > Renda > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > Hi Steve > > I think I was a bit mis-understood. > > I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation > system! > If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave. > > My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two > equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to > use a > votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was for > the audio > jacket. > > And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say > "choose A" > the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to > invest on > it. > > I hope I clarified something :) > > steve wrote: >> The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. >> >> It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, return on >> investment, parts availability. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad >> Midgley >> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? >> >> Michele >> >> >>> Do you want feature X or feature Y? >>> >> >> you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility >> of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g >> decision >> recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. >> >> -- >> Brad >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why not use votation system?
I havent thought out the details, but essentially I would like a system where I could be more attentive To the people making big contributions, without ignoring those who have yet to make one. Tough balance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:14 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Why not use votation system? good one, code committed to main stream distro? or bash code ? python script included in that offer? --- El dom, 15/6/08, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > De: steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Asunto: RE: Why not use votation system? > Para: "'List for Openmoko community discussion'" > > Fecha: domingo, 15 junio, 2008 9:18 > Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele > Renda > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > Hi Steve > > I think I was a bit mis-understood. > > I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation > system! > If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave. > > My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two > equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to > use a votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was > for the audio jacket. > > And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say > "choose A" > the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to invest > on it. > > I hope I clarified something :) > > steve wrote: > > The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. > > > > It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, > return on > > investment, parts availability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brad > > Midgley > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM > > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > > > Michele > > > > > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? > >> > > > > you might need a table representing the cost and > business feasibility > > of each feature. We've seen a lot more > transparency on the 3g decision > > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than > people thought. > > > > -- > > Brad > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why not use votation system?
good one, code committed to main stream distro? or bash code ? python script included in that offer? --- El dom, 15/6/08, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > De: steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Asunto: RE: Why not use votation system? > Para: "'List for Openmoko community discussion'" > > Fecha: domingo, 15 junio, 2008 9:18 > Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Michele Renda > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > Hi Steve > > I think I was a bit mis-understood. > > I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took > with a votation system! > If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a > microwave. > > My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision > between two > equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the > comunity to use a > votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it > was for the audio > jacket. > > And in every case must to be clear that also if the > votation say "choose A" > the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you > must to invest on > it. > > I hope I clarified something :) > > steve wrote: > > The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. > > > > It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, > return on > > investment, parts availability. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brad > > Midgley > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM > > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > > > Michele > > > > > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? > >> > > > > you might need a table representing the cost and > business feasibility > > of each feature. We've seen a lot more > transparency on the 3g decision > > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than > people thought. > > > > -- > > Brad > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. > Seems like the Apache project rules, +1 !!! ;-) Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why not use votation system?
Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:25 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? Hi Steve I think I was a bit mis-understood. I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation system! If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave. My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to use a votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was for the audio jacket. And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say "choose A" the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to invest on it. I hope I clarified something :) steve wrote: > The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. > > It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, return on > investment, parts availability. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad > Midgley > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > Michele > > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? >> > > you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility > of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. > > -- > Brad > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Hi Steve I think I was a bit mis-understood. I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation system! If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave. My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two equivalent solution and WANT to know the opinions of the comunity to use a votation system. But only for opinion asked by OM, like it was for the audio jacket. And in every case must to be clear that also if the votation say "choose A" the final decision must to be tooken by OM, because you must to invest on it. I hope I clarified something :) steve wrote: > The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. > > It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, return on investment, > parts availability. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Midgley > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? > > Michele > > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? >> > > you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility of > each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision recently > which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. > > -- > Brad > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why not use votation system?
The complexity of the decision is deeper than that. It involves cost, engineering budget, schedule, price, return on investment, parts availability. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Midgley Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:12 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Why not use votation system? Michele > Do you want feature X or feature Y? you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
2008/6/12 Brad Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michele > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? > > you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility > of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. I have some notes here on the knapsack problem, if we go that route ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Hi Di didn't say that decisions must to be taken in democratic way. I said only that OM can, from time to time, and only when he need, to open a votation on: We must to do something how you prefer? 1. In way A 2. In way B 3. I don't matter 4. In way A and in way B Than, in the end, OM is not forced to do how it was votated. Is only to know the opinion of the people. The same thing like when it was for speaker jacket. In every case it is only an idea. Brad Midgley wrote: > Michele > > >> Do you want feature X or feature Y? >> > > you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility > of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision > recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
I don't like the fact that a cold statistics guide decisions/development of OM (and any open-source/free software) being developed based on it, mailing list,forums and even blogs allows you to argue about, and understand more the "why" of some decisions not the decision itself only. I like more the idea of a positive/negative arguments vote system something like comments of digg.com. A lot more complex implement I suppoe but you can evaluate more accurate how the community how even "feels" about something. By the way, the idea of having such a thing like this as planet system? not to filter what is it the first page, no such news volume to even think about this almost right now ;), but to have a ponderate opinion value(how the whole comunity thinks about your and others opinions good/bad/irrelevant.? --- El jue, 12/6/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > De: Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Asunto: Re: Why not use votation system? > Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 8:14 > Hello > > I was thinking more to a votation system about the > decisions that are > shared with community. > > Do you want feature X or feature Y? > > I think this can help a lot OM to take some decisions, and > can remain > for storical reasons. I know there are a lot of online > services that > give its for free. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Michele > Do you want feature X or feature Y? you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Hello I was thinking more to a votation system about the decisions that are shared with community. Do you want feature X or feature Y? I think this can help a lot OM to take some decisions, and can remain for storical reasons. I know there are a lot of online services that give its for free. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
