Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
On Thursday 07 February 2008 01:41:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The specs I saw were not in the Wiki. They were at: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html > > Quote: > Additional Neo FreeRunner specs include: > Processor -- Samsung S3C2442 500MHz > RAM -- 128MB > Flash -- 256MB > Display -- 4.3-inch diagonal 640 x 480 VGA Color TFT LCD > Graphics -- SMedia 3362-based 3D graphics acceleration > Accelerometers -- 2 x 3D accelerometers > Audio -- "high-quality" audio codec > USB -- 1 x version 1.1 > Cellular -- 2.5G tri-band GPRS/GSM (900MHz or 850MHz) > WiFi -- 802.11b/g WiFi > Bluetooth -- version 2.0 > GPS -- AGPS (assisted global positioning system) receiver > > I dunno...making a mistake of 2.8" versus 4.3" is pretty hard to do. > Methinks I shall stay suspicious. Like I said previously [when this press release was posted], the editors mixed this up with the display of the Dash Express. :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
The specs I saw were not in the Wiki. They were at: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html Quote: Additional Neo FreeRunner specs include: Processor -- Samsung S3C2442 500MHz RAM -- 128MB Flash -- 256MB Display -- 4.3-inch diagonal 640 x 480 VGA Color TFT LCD Graphics -- SMedia 3362-based 3D graphics acceleration Accelerometers -- 2 x 3D accelerometers Audio -- "high-quality" audio codec USB -- 1 x version 1.1 Cellular -- 2.5G tri-band GPRS/GSM (900MHz or 850MHz) WiFi -- 802.11b/g WiFi Bluetooth -- version 2.0 GPS -- AGPS (assisted global positioning system) receiver I dunno...making a mistake of 2.8" versus 4.3" is pretty hard to do. Methinks I shall stay suspicious. Doing a bit of scratchpad design work, a 4.3 inch diagonal screen would result in a device of 3"x4" with 1/4" casing margins on the sides and 3/4" (thumb width) case end margins (ala the iPhone). If the device was kept to 1/2" in thickness, it still would fit comfortably in a standard clothing pocket with about 1/2" to 3/4" to spare. One centimeter thick would be **uber-sexy**. If such a handset with an open software stack became available, I would drop my iPhones in box and mail them back to Steve along with an impolitely worded note telling him where he can stick them. To reinterate, moving forward with a 2.8 inch diag. screen at any resolution in a post iPhone world would be a major mistake in my frequently disregarded opinion. Thanks for the hard (and difficult at times) work that you do Michael. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:52:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Alan, The screen is the same size. Can you provide the link to the larger screen spec, so that we can correct this error? Thanks for helping to keep our wiki correct! Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > H... > > That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell "Golden > Formfactor" goodness in the oven. > > Alan > > Original Message: > - > From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) > > > Hi Kevin, > > I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are > not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the > product releases. > > Sincerely, > Michael > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> >> That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final >> plastic. >> >> Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. >> >> Michael >> >> Kevin Zuber wrote: >>> Hi Wolfgang and Michael, >>> thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: >>> Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the >>> place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) >>> Thanks, >>> Kevin >>> [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png >>> Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: >>>> JW, Michael - >>>> >>>> we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is >>>> on the same page now: >>>> >>>> GTA01 = Neo 1973 >>>> GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner >>>> >>>> Brand: Neo >>>> Model: 1973 >>>> Version: gta01 >>>> >>>> 'gta' for all gta-series class devices >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at >>>> keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names >>>> separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) >>>> Wolfgang >>>> >>>> On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >>>> >>>>> JW wrote: >>>>>> so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team >>>>>> yet? >>>>>> Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) >>>>>> Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 >>>>>> and phase 1 incl >>>>>> gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = >>>>>> freerunner) Hope i >>>>>> represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) >>>>>> Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members >>>>>> (michael?) so wiki can >>>
Re: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
Hi Alan, The screen is the same size. Can you provide the link to the larger screen spec, so that we can correct this error? Thanks for helping to keep our wiki correct! Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H... That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell "Golden Formfactor" goodness in the oven. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More confusion (was: Re: Official distinction between Brand (Neo), Model (1973, FreeRunner), and version (GTA01, GTA02) (was: Re: Wiki - confusion))
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:22:29 -0800 Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Please help by adjusting subject as topic changes) > > Marcel, > > That is correct. > > Michael > > Marcel wrote: > > So GTA02 would be: > > Brand: Neo > > Model: FreeRunner > > Version: GTA02 To further add to this confusion let me just quote from gta02-core.patch in http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch +MACHINE_START(NEO1973_GTA02, "GTA02") + .phys_io= S3C2410_PA_UART, + .io_pg_offst= (((u32)S3C24XX_VA_UART) >> 18) & 0xfffc, + .boot_params= S3C2410_SDRAM_PA + 0x100, + .map_io = gta02_map_io, + .init_irq = s3c24xx_init_irq, + .init_machine = gta02_machine_init, + .timer = &s3c24xx_timer, +MACHINE_END and Index: linux-2.6.24/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig === --- linux-2.6.24.orig/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig +++ linux-2.6.24/arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig @@ -74,5 +74,20 @@ help Say Y here if you are using the FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone +config MACH_NEO1973_GTA02 + bool "FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone (GTA02 Hardware)" + select CPU_S3C2442 + select SENSORS_PCF50633 + help + Say Y here if you are using the FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone + +config NEO1973_GTA02_2440 + bool "Old FIC Neo1973 GTA02 hardware using S3C2440 CPU" + depends on MACH_NEO1973_GTA02 + select CPU_S3C2440 + help + Say Y here if you are using an early hardware revision + of the FIC/OpenMoko Neo1973 GTA02 GSM Phone. + endmenu Regards, Daniel *The code never lies* Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
H... That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell "Golden Formfactor" goodness in the oven. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > > That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final > plastic. > > Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. > > Michael > > Kevin Zuber wrote: >> Hi Wolfgang and Michael, >> thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: >> Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the >> place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png >> Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: >>> JW, Michael - >>> >>> we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is >>> on the same page now: >>> >>> GTA01 = Neo 1973 >>> GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner >>> >>> Brand: Neo >>> Model: 1973 >>> Version: gta01 >>> >>> 'gta' for all gta-series class devices >>> >>> Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at >>> keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names >>> separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) >>> Wolfgang >>> >>> On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> JW wrote: >>>>> so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team >>>>> yet? >>>>> Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) >>>>> Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 >>>>> and phase 1 incl >>>>> gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = >>>>> freerunner) Hope i >>>>> represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) >>>>> Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members >>>>> (michael?) so wiki can >>>>> reflect correct picture >>>> >>>> I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: >>>> >>>> GTA01 = Neo 1973 >>>> GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner >>>> >>>> Thus both are members of the Neo family. >>>> >>>> Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Official distinction between Brand (Neo), Model (1973, FreeRunner), and version (GTA01, GTA02) (was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
(Please help by adjusting subject as topic changes) Marcel, That is correct. Michael Marcel wrote: So GTA02 would be: Brand: Neo Model: FreeRunner Version: GTA02 Correct? Am Dienstag 05 Februar 2008 18:31:54 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW wrote: Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael wah! a third option :-) Ok will use this in Wiki from now on. Still seems wierd to have 2 names for 1 phone... anyways... They are two different phones. Similar, but different. Michael This article agrees with you http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW ha scritto: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture JW Well, my name is Pietro (italian), if i'm right (may be michael can confirm) i think that: neo 1973 is the phone, GTA01, GTA02, Phase0 every version is "neo 1973", gta02 is also named FreeRunner to have a more friendly name. Waiting a confirmation or not :D Bye! Pietro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written "Neo FreeRunner" in GTA02 at the place where "Neo 1973" is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: > JW, Michael - > > we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on > the same page now: > > GTA01 = Neo 1973 > GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner > > Brand: Neo > Model: 1973 > Version: gta01 > > 'gta' for all gta-series class devices > > Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping > internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because > they travel at different speeds :-) > Wolfgang > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > > > > > > JW wrote: > >> so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? > >> Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) > >> Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and > >> phase 1 incl > >> gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) > >> Hope i > >> represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) > >> Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) > >> so wiki can > >> reflect correct picture > > > > > > I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: > > > > GTA01 = Neo 1973 > > GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner > > > > Thus both are members of the Neo family. > > > > Michael > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On Feb 5, 2008 10:29 AM, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok will use this in Wiki from now on. Still seems wierd to have 2 names for > 1 > phone... anyways... it's pretty much standard practice, most products have internal and external names. take jeeps for example, you almost never hear the names "wrangler" or "cherokee" but you hear a lot about TJ's, YJ's and Xj's -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
So GTA02 would be: Brand: Neo Model: FreeRunner Version: GTA02 Correct? Am Dienstag 05 Februar 2008 18:31:54 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: > JW, Michael - > > we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on > the same page now: > > GTA01 = Neo 1973 > GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner > > Brand: Neo > Model: 1973 > Version: gta01 > > 'gta' for all gta-series class devices > > Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping > internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because > they travel at different speeds :-) > Wolfgang > > On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > JW wrote: > >> so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? > >> Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) > >> Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and > >> phase 1 incl > >> gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) > >> Hope i > >> represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) > >> Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) > >> so wiki can > >> reflect correct picture > > > > I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: > > > > GTA01 = Neo 1973 > > GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner > > > > Thus both are members of the Neo family. > > > > Michael > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: > > GTA01 = Neo 1973 > GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner > > Thus both are members of the Neo family. > > Michael > wah! a third option :-) Ok will use this in Wiki from now on. Still seems wierd to have 2 names for 1 phone... anyways... This article agrees with you http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It seems to me there is now a clear structure > > > > 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) > > 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) > > That is correct. Ok, but we wait to see if Piotr is right! I am glad I asked! > We just hired a full time editor for the wiki. Her name is Brenda and > she will start working after Chinese New Year (mid February). > We are very determined to get the wiki into better shape. > Brenda will help as an editor. Great news and something that is definitely needed before u start selling Freerunner :-) JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW, Pietro, roh - OK, the confusion even exist within OpenMoko :-) So it's definitely something we need to find out soon. I think it's like JW said, roh thinks it's like Pietro said. Stay tuned, we will find out soon... Wolfgang On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Joachim Steiger wrote: Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: JW ha scritto: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) [snip] Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: Neo 1973 -> the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 gta01xxx -> first version of the phone for devs gta02xxx -> second version of the phone that has to be released soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) FreeRunner -> another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a friendly name instead of GTA02 Is it right? yes. also all the drivers got fixed just recently to reflect that original naming scheme. Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Hello, Thank, you Joachim! That confirms what I knew! Joachim Steiger wrote: Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version Cheers, Bogdan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On 03/02/2008, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Openmoko community > > The wiki needs to present clear information. > > There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all > the > confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. > > It seems to me there is now a clear structure > > 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) > 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) > > However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore > because > they have been used interchangeably over the last year. > > I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at > tidying up > the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the > only > problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens > especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. > > For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved > to > the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages > many in > other languages IIRC MediaWiki allows you to use the following as the content of a page: #REDIRECT [[Freerunner newpage]] So when you want to redirect "GTA02 newpage" to "Freerunner newpage", you can use that without breaking any links. Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and > the > rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? > > JW > Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > JW ha scritto: >> Hi Openmoko community >> >> The wiki needs to present clear information. >> >> There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in >> all the >> confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. >> >> It seems to me there is now a clear structure >> >> 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) >> 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) >> > [snip] > > Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: > > Neo 1973 -> the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 > gta01xxx -> first version of the phone for devs > gta02xxx -> second version of the phone that has to be released > soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) > FreeRunner -> another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a > friendly name instead of GTA02 > > Is it right? yes. also all the drivers got fixed just recently to reflect that original naming scheme. Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW - Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? Yes, I think you can move ahead with those changes. Let's see what others are saying... It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) That is correct. Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? We just hired a full time editor for the wiki. Her name is Brenda and she will start working after Chinese New Year (mid February). She has many years experience publishing and writing technical books. I'd say give her a few weeks to familiarize herself with the whole thing, then she will slowly start to 'edit' the wiki by cleaning up broken links, rearranging/grouping content, maybe doing some translations into Chinese, etc. If you like please get back to me around mid-February so I can introduce you to Brenda (she doesn't have an openmoko e-mail account yet). We are very determined to get the wiki into better shape. Brenda will help as an editor. We also try to improve things on the server. The wiki version we are using needs to be updated and improved. Search is abysmal. The theme doesn't look good. etc. But we have great content, and we will push more internal content into the wiki as well. Hope this helps, thanks a lot for your initiative! Feel free to make the changes you suggested, at least from my perspective it sounds good. Wolfgang On Feb 3, 2008, at 12:31 PM, JW wrote: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore because they have been used interchangeably over the last year. I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at tidying up the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the only problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved to the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages many in other languages Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW ha scritto: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) [snip] Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: Neo 1973 -> the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 gta01xxx -> first version of the phone for devs gta02xxx -> second version of the phone that has to be released soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) FreeRunner -> another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a friendly name instead of GTA02 Is it right? Bye! Pietro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki - confusion
Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore because they have been used interchangeably over the last year. I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at tidying up the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the only problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved to the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages many in other languages Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
