Re: Wiki editors
+0.75 I am not quite agree the no. 4 In the typical Chinese company, everything we need supervisor's permission. Supervisor always make the decision , them, we just follow it. If our supervisor doesn't make the devision, one thing you can do , is GUESS or remind him. But most of Chinese like guess than remind. :-D Brenda Marek Lindner ??: On Thursday, 17. July 2008 20:34:40 digger vermont wrote: - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. I'm curious, what would be the Eastern style? Eastern people try to avoid all public discussions for various reasons: - They don't want make other people loose their face. - They are educated not no say what they think. - They are afraid that they get fired (Openmoko one of the few exceptions here). - Often they have the feeling that their supervisor should make the decision and not them. So they wait in front of the problem, ignore it and hope it goes away. In contrast to that rumors and guessing is very popular here. :-) Marek PS: All that is a bit extreme but should you give a feeling. ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yes, I agree with you . Steven ** wrote: Again, probably something for the wiki mailing list, but... I'd say categories would be a simple way to accomplish at least some of this. I think every application page should have one or more category tags that specify which distro it works with. So, someone running OM2007.2 could just go to the OM2007.2 category to see software that is related to that distro. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries which indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page applies to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an inset which states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each software page should say whether the article is *about* one of the core firmwares, whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares FSO ASU (but not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with, say, gpsd) or whether it's software that can be *installed* on the FSO ASU images (but is preinstalled on 2007.2). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors
On Thursday, 17. July 2008 20:34:40 digger vermont wrote: - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. I'm curious, what would be the Eastern style? Eastern people try to avoid all public discussions for various reasons: - They don't want make other people loose their face. - They are educated not no say what they think. - They are afraid that they get fired (Openmoko one of the few exceptions here). - Often they have the feeling that their supervisor should make the decision and not them. So they wait in front of the problem, ignore it and hope it goes away. In contrast to that rumors and guessing is very popular here. :-) Marek PS: All that is a bit extreme but should you give a feeling. ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I am wiki full time editor now. Here is the what I done these month. 1. Openmoko wiki system is Media wiki 1.2, since we upgrade our wiki system, month ago , I start to ask our IT put the extension on wiki. For example, category tree extension. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree Now , everyone can use the tag, like this categorytree mode=pagesCategory name/categorytree 2.About read wiki offline (dump), actually , I already ask our IT do this since 4, July. I will push them. This function is very useful . 3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the video on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I like to have this. 4. I admit that , to the beginner , it is not easy to know how much useful page , they can find on wiki . So, I make a page name Openmoko official Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Official_Index_Page 5. Then , I classify every pages of wiki , put the category on them, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Categories_Index_Page 6.It's great that have many people help me to maintain wiki page. In fact , Too many page, hard to verify if this page is out of date? Even , I use google analytic , it just can tell which page is popular , but can't tell if the content is correct or not. I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is useful or not. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating 7.I would like to have a page like for developer, everyone who is the beginner , want to join and develop software, and use this page to get every material they want . It just like a book , and has catalog like this: Part I Choose your software develop tool Part III Running your program Part IV Program sharing Part V Install Part VI Tools used on Openmoko Here is the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide Actually , 6,7 is my plan now, have more people edit the wiki page, make content become more correct and useful , will be great help . Brenda. ian douglas ??: Michael Shiloh wrote: I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with opkg update opkg upgrade being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: Jay Vaughan AGREE. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki Index was Re: Wiki editors
It appears that th index is already out of date. I was just looking at this locker program http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock looked under software and Nada! Are we aware it is out of date? How many other pages aren't listed? This is a big problem Scott BrendaWang wrote: I am wiki full time editor now. Here is the what I done these month. 1. Openmoko wiki system is Media wiki 1.2, since we upgrade our wiki system, month ago , I start to ask our IT put the extension on wiki. For example, category tree extension. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree Now , everyone can use the tag, like this categorytree mode=pagesCategory name/categorytree 2.About read wiki offline (dump), actually , I already ask our IT do this since 4, July. I will push them. This function is very useful . 3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the video on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I like to have this. 4. I admit that , to the beginner , it is not easy to know how much useful page , they can find on wiki . So, I make a page name Openmoko official Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Official_Index_Page 5. Then , I classify every pages of wiki , put the category on them, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Categories_Index_Page 6.It's great that have many people help me to maintain wiki page. In fact , Too many page, hard to verify if this page is out of date? Even , I use google analytic , it just can tell which page is popular , but can't tell if the content is correct or not. I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is useful or not. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating 7.I would like to have a page like for developer, everyone who is the beginner , want to join and develop software, and use this page to get every material they want . It just like a book , and has catalog like this: Part I Choose your software develop tool Part III Running your program Part IV Program sharing Part V Install Part VI Tools used on Openmoko Here is the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide Actually , 6,7 is my plan now, have more people edit the wiki page, make content become more correct and useful , will be great help . Brenda. ian douglas ??: Michael Shiloh wrote: I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with opkg update opkg upgrade being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 10:38 +0800, Marek Lindner wrote: On Thursday, 17. July 2008 08:25:54 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Happy to see that you bring that point up. I had a long and healthy discussion with her. The bottom line is: - She really appreciates your wish to help and gladly accepts it. - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. I'm curious, what would be the Eastern style? digger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That's a user page. I can understand why that wouldn't show up in the index. Make the zedlock section a real page first. And tag it with the Software category. However, I can't imagine a hand-edited index to ever be accurate for more than a day. I'd stick with the auto-generated index pages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Software -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that th index is already out of date. I was just looking at this locker program http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock looked under software and Nada! Are we aware it is out of date? How many other pages aren't listed? This is a big problem Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: I agree. BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Yes; I asked Brenda privately but have not heard back (or have lost her reply in the recent torrent of email :-) M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Marek Lindner wrote: On Thursday, 17. July 2008 08:25:54 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Happy to see that you bring that point up. I had a long and healthy discussion with her. The bottom line is: - She really appreciates your wish to help and gladly accepts it. - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. - Next to the cultural difference a flood of mails in English is a problem. A list would be less an issue if the list language would be Chinese or any other similar language as Japanese, Hongkongnese, etc (which is not realistic but should show the point). ;-) - Probably she will read the list but never post anything unless you directly address her (again cultural differences). My suggestion: Create your favorite communication channel. She probably will follow it but not become an active part in it. Once you have finishd your discussion send the result to her directly. We still try to help the Eastern people to understand and accept Western behaviour. That needs time. Meanwhile try to understand and support them. Greetings, Marek Thanks for your insight Marek. I plan on being actively involved in this experiment and will actively seek the best way to help our wiki maintenance volunteers, Brenda, the company at large, and the community at large move towards a more useful wiki. Suggestions accepted :-) Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Wiki editors
Is the wiki-editors list been created? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:44 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: I agree. BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Yes; I asked Brenda privately but have not heard back (or have lost her reply in the recent torrent of email :-) M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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not yet. i'll announce when it is. by the way, i'm not going to add anyone. i'll announce its creation, then anyone interested (including all you volunteers) has to manually join. m Josh Monson wrote: Is the wiki-editors list been created? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:44 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: I agree. BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Yes; I asked Brenda privately but have not heard back (or have lost her reply in the recent torrent of email :-) M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The purpose of user pages is generally for users to tell readers about themselves. Hi, my name is Bob and I've been an Openmoko user for 2 years. I have a PHd in technical writing and I enjoy contributing to the wiki in my spare time. Just look at some of the Wikipedia user pages for fuller examples - there they often display awards for number of edits made, the user's country of origin (even countries they've travelled to!) spheres of wiki interest and probably even hobbies! It is right and logical that user pages shouldn't be indexed. It is wrong (and illogical) that zedlock should be listed only on Quicksand's user page - it should have a proper page to itself. I am reminded of my previous post over a reluctance by users to edit the wiki - perhaps Quicksand was being modest in not creating a new page for his own software, perhaps he didn't wish to create a new page because he felt that the wiki belongs to Openmoko or to Brenda. Whatever, that information should probably be moved to a new page (although I have to admit to being reluctant myself to edit someone else's userpage!!). Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 16:31, Scott Derrick wrote: to me a site index is a site index. If its not complete it should state so at the top in bold print. It makes no sense to only show some of the Wiki, isn't the point of this thing to provide full access to the community? Scott Scott Steven ** wrote: That's a user page. I can understand why that wouldn't show up in the index. Make the zedlock section a real page first. And tag it with the Software category. However, I can't imagine a hand-edited index to ever be accurate for more than a day. I'd stick with the auto-generated index pages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Software -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Stroller wrote: The purpose of user pages is generally for users to tell readers about themselves. Hi, my name is Bob and I've been an Openmoko user for 2 years. I have a PHd in technical writing and I enjoy contributing to the wiki in my spare time. Just look at some of the Wikipedia user pages for fuller examples - there they often display awards for number of edits made, the user's country of origin (even countries they've travelled to!) spheres of wiki interest and probably even hobbies! It is right and logical that user pages shouldn't be indexed. It is wrong (and illogical) that zedlock should be listed only on Quicksand's user page - it should have a proper page to itself. Definitely agreed. although I have to admit to being reluctant myself to edit someone else's userpage!!. Same here, as that's the one area of a public wiki that I still feel someone else has ownership of; rare exceptions include objectionable/inappropriate content/spam. However, I should think it would not be out of line to copy the content to it's own page, and then place a short message/link on the user's page to the new location. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors. Citation needed?
On 17 Jul 2008, at 08:24, BrendaWang wrote:
...
3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the
video
on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I
like
to have this.
I'm unclear why an extension is needed - can't YouTube videos simply
be embedded using HTML? - and don't see *massive* benefits to YouTube
videos on the wiki.
But I don't see any disadvantages to having YouTube videos on the
wiki, either. Go for it.
I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many
people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is
useful
or not.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating
This is a great idea!
Also:
Does the current wiki software allow for templates, like Wikipedia?
Sorry if this is obvious - perhaps the Openmoko wiki uses exactly the
same software as Wikipedia?
For instance, sentences in many Wikipedia articles are marked with
the words citation needed - I see from a little searching that this
superscript is added when someone edits the page to include the tag
{{cn}} or {{fact}}. Presumably there is a page automatically
generated somewhere (I can't immediately find this) which shows all
pages using that tag and this one can easily see all pages requiring
fact-checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact
I feel that a similar feature would be useful for the Openmoko wiki -
it should probably display fact check? rather than citation
needed and new users should be encouraged to mark any sections they
are unsure of or any steps in the HOWTOs that don't work when they
follow them.
Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries
which indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page
applies to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an
inset which states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each
software page should say whether the article is *about* one of the
core firmwares, whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares
FSO ASU (but not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with,
say, gpsd) or whether it's software that can be *installed* on the
FSO ASU images (but is preinstalled on 2007.2).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise
Perhaps I'm horribly confused, but if my horrible confusion over the
different images at least has the correct basis then this would be
very beneficial to users.
Stroller.
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I have no reservations. :-D Edited. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zedlock -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM, John Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wrote: The purpose of user pages is generally for users to tell readers about themselves. Hi, my name is Bob and I've been an Openmoko user for 2 years. I have a PHd in technical writing and I enjoy contributing to the wiki in my spare time. Just look at some of the Wikipedia user pages for fuller examples - there they often display awards for number of edits made, the user's country of origin (even countries they've travelled to!) spheres of wiki interest and probably even hobbies! It is right and logical that user pages shouldn't be indexed. It is wrong (and illogical) that zedlock should be listed only on Quicksand's user page - it should have a proper page to itself. Definitely agreed. although I have to admit to being reluctant myself to edit someone else's userpage!!. Same here, as that's the one area of a public wiki that I still feel someone else has ownership of; rare exceptions include objectionable/inappropriate content/spam. However, I should think it would not be out of line to copy the content to it's own page, and then place a short message/link on the user's page to the new location. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors. Citation needed?
Stroller wrote:
On 17 Jul 2008, at 08:24, BrendaWang wrote:
...
3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the
video
on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I
like
to have this.
I'm unclear why an extension is needed - can't YouTube videos simply
be embedded using HTML? - and don't see *massive* benefits to YouTube
videos on the wiki.
But I don't see any disadvantages to having YouTube videos on the
wiki, either. Go for it.
I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many
people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is
useful
or not.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating
This is a great idea!
Also:
Does the current wiki software allow for templates, like Wikipedia?
Sorry if this is obvious - perhaps the Openmoko wiki uses exactly the
same software as Wikipedia?
The Openmoko wiki uses MediaWiki, which is largely the basis of what
Wikipedia is driven by (it was created for Wikipedia, but by default
lacks some of the special features, which are available as addons).
For instance, sentences in many Wikipedia articles are marked with
the words citation needed - I see from a little searching that this
superscript is added when someone edits the page to include the tag
{{cn}} or {{fact}}. Presumably there is a page automatically
generated somewhere (I can't immediately find this) which shows all
pages using that tag and this one can easily see all pages requiring
fact-checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact
I feel that a similar feature would be useful for the Openmoko wiki -
it should probably display fact check? rather than citation
needed and new users should be encouraged to mark any sections they
are unsure of or any steps in the HOWTOs that don't work when they
follow them.
Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries
which indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page
applies to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an
inset which states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each
software page should say whether the article is *about* one of the
core firmwares, whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares
FSO ASU (but not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with,
say, gpsd) or whether it's software that can be *installed* on the
FSO ASU images (but is preinstalled on 2007.2).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise
Templates are a core feature of MediaWiki, so it should just be a matter
of creating appropriate templates, and then going through the massive
effort of adding them wherever needed. This was something I was
planning to address as part of the wiki@ mailing list when it comes online.
Perhaps I'm horribly confused, but if my horrible confusion over the
different images at least has the correct basis then this would be
very beneficial to users.
One major thing I noticed is missing is the ability to automatically
generate footnotes like you can on Wikipedia. That would certainly be a
good addon to have Brenda install whenever she gets the chance.
--
John Reese
LeetCode.net
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Re: Wiki editors. Citation needed?
Again, probably something for the wiki mailing list, but... I'd say categories would be a simple way to accomplish at least some of this. I think every application page should have one or more category tags that specify which distro it works with. So, someone running OM2007.2 could just go to the OM2007.2 category to see software that is related to that distro. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries which indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page applies to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an inset which states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each software page should say whether the article is *about* one of the core firmwares, whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares FSO ASU (but not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with, say, gpsd) or whether it's software that can be *installed* on the FSO ASU images (but is preinstalled on 2007.2). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, I would like to let you know , how this Index page formed. At the very beginning, I just use the Special Page's function , All page 's function. Name space :Main Then put every link into Index page. Because of wiki is a system , anyone can edit and create a new page . It growing up everyday. So, after this , my routine job is check the Recent Change everyday , then , put the new page , into Index page. I can tell you what the way I used, to make most of page organized. But I don't think I can arbitrary judge these pages is outdated . I 'd rather say, some are popular and others are not. Brenda Scott Derrick ??: It appears that th index is already out of date. I was just looking at this locker program http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock looked under software and Nada! Are we aware it is out of date? How many other pages aren't listed? This is a big problem Scott BrendaWang wrote: I am wiki full time editor now. Here is the what I done these month. 1. Openmoko wiki system is Media wiki 1.2, since we upgrade our wiki system, month ago , I start to ask our IT put the extension on wiki. For example, category tree extension. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree Now , everyone can use the tag, like this categorytree mode=pagesCategory name/categorytree 2.About read wiki offline (dump), actually , I already ask our IT do this since 4, July. I will push them. This function is very useful . 3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the video on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I like to have this. 4. I admit that , to the beginner , it is not easy to know how much useful page , they can find on wiki . So, I make a page name Openmoko official Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Official_Index_Page 5. Then , I classify every pages of wiki , put the category on them, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Categories_Index_Page 6.It's great that have many people help me to maintain wiki page. In fact , Too many page, hard to verify if this page is out of date? Even , I use google analytic , it just can tell which page is popular , but can't tell if the content is correct or not. I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is useful or not. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating 7.I would like to have a page like for developer, everyone who is the beginner , want to join and develop software, and use this page to get every material they want . It just like a book , and has catalog like this: Part I Choose your software develop tool Part III Running your program Part IV Program sharing Part V Install Part VI Tools used on Openmoko Here is the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide Actually , 6,7 is my plan now, have more people edit the wiki page, make content become more correct and useful , will be great help . Brenda. ian douglas ??: Michael Shiloh wrote: I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with opkg update opkg upgrade being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo
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+1 :-) Brenda Michael Shiloh ??: Marek Lindner wrote: On Thursday, 17. July 2008 08:25:54 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Happy to see that you bring that point up. I had a long and healthy discussion with her. The bottom line is: - She really appreciates your wish to help and gladly accepts it. - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. - Next to the cultural difference a flood of mails in English is a problem. A list would be less an issue if the list language would be Chinese or any other similar language as Japanese, Hongkongnese, etc (which is not realistic but should show the point). ;-) - Probably she will read the list but never post anything unless you directly address her (again cultural differences). My suggestion: Create your favorite communication channel. She probably will follow it but not become an active part in it. Once you have finishd your discussion send the result to her directly. We still try to help the Eastern people to understand and accept Western behaviour. That needs time. Meanwhile try to understand and support them. Greetings, Marek Thanks for your insight Marek. I plan on being actively involved in this experiment and will actively seek the best way to help our wiki maintenance volunteers, Brenda, the company at large, and the community at large move towards a more useful wiki. Suggestions accepted :-) Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors. Citation needed?
Stroller ??:
On 17 Jul 2008, at 08:24, BrendaWang wrote:
...
3. I would like to put the Youtube extension , then we can see the video
on wiki. I would like to know if this useful ? Personal opinion , I like
to have this.
I'm unclear why an extension is needed - can't YouTube videos simply
be embedded using HTML? - and don't see *massive* benefits to YouTube
videos on the wiki.
But I don't see any disadvantages to having YouTube videos on the
wiki, either. Go for it.
Actually , I had ask our IT do this already, let wait for a while, they
need to evaluate it.
For example , if this will affect security or anything else.
I plan to put the rating function on wiki. Perhape it can help many
people who visit wiki , know how other people think this page is useful
or not.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JSKitRating
This is a great idea!
Thanks for the feed back.
Also:
Does the current wiki software allow for templates, like Wikipedia?
Sorry if this is obvious - perhaps the Openmoko wiki uses exactly the
same software as Wikipedia?
For instance, sentences in many Wikipedia articles are marked with the
words citation needed - I see from a little searching that this
superscript is added when someone edits the page to include the tag
{{cn}} or {{fact}}. Presumably there is a page automatically generated
somewhere (I can't immediately find this) which shows all pages using
that tag and this one can easily see all pages requiring fact-checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact
I feel that a similar feature would be useful for the Openmoko wiki -
it should probably display fact check? rather than citation needed
and new users should be encouraged to mark any sections they are
unsure of or any steps in the HOWTOs that don't work when they follow
them.
Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries which
indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page applies
to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an inset which
states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each software page
should say whether the article is *about* one of the core firmwares,
whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares FSO ASU (but
not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with, say, gpsd) or
whether it's software that can be *installed* on the FSO ASU images
(but is preinstalled on 2007.2).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise
Perhaps I'm horribly confused, but if my horrible confusion over the
different images at least has the correct basis then this would be
very beneficial to users.
Stroller.
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Hi, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:42 AM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 here Yes, this gets my vote too. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote: On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ian douglas wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 here Okay with me too ... but I also like the idea that another poster made: i.e. we have a separate group for wiki-maintainers. That way, everyone else doesn't get bogged down with our organizational/task management emails. Hmm. Not sure I want to create more lists. Sean just tried to reduce the number of lists. I envision the wiki list being used primarily for maintainers to coordinate amongst themselves, and for the community to suggest ideas, changes, etc. I don't expect the volume to be terribly high. I expect most community members will not subscribe, only those concerned with how the wiki looks. I expect wiki comments to come up on the community list and I will encourage those discussions be moved to the wiki list. Perhaps if a community member suddenly gets involved in a wiki page, he/she might joing the wiki list while that is being organized, and then unsubscribe once their contribution is in place. Do the wiki maintainers have a different view of this wiki list? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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John Reese wrote: Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. Exactly my thought. Anyone is welcome to join, but they should expect the content to be focused quite sharply on wiki maintenance issues. Discussions that stray out of this topic will be encouraged to move elsewhere. I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: IIRC these are the volunteers. My apologies if I left anyone off - please add yourself: Josh Monson John Reese Torfinn Ingolfsen Ian Douglas Jay Vaughan We at Openmoko really appreciate the community helping in this way. The wiki is extremely visible to the public yet our engineers simply have not been able to dedicate to it the time it needs. On the other hand, the wiki is one example of where the community can have a profound impact. We really appreciate your help. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I was thinking moderated to keep noise down on the wiki list, so that it's clean and efficient communication between the editors so we can coordinate what we are doing. A lot of people blanket send to all lists, or send irrelevant information. The input from the community would be taken from the community list, etcbut either way I suppose we'll get the job done. There was talk about someone at OM already trying to minimize the lists, so I figured keeping the wiki-editors list to a minimum may help with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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i think the word minimum in this context applied to the number of lists, not the list content or the number of people on the list. if the list has a tight focus i feel very comfortable telling people to move unrelated conversations elsewhere. i'm happy to enforce this, but i prefer to keep the list unmoderated. Josh Monson wrote: I was thinking moderated to keep noise down on the wiki list, so that it's clean and efficient communication between the editors so we can coordinate what we are doing. A lot of people blanket send to all lists, or send irrelevant information. The input from the community would be taken from the community list, etcbut either way I suppose we'll get the job done. There was talk about someone at OM already trying to minimize the lists, so I figured keeping the wiki-editors list to a minimum may help with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Agreed, let's get rolling :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors i think the word minimum in this context applied to the number of lists, not the list content or the number of people on the list. if the list has a tight focus i feel very comfortable telling people to move unrelated conversations elsewhere. i'm happy to enforce this, but i prefer to keep the list unmoderated. Josh Monson wrote: I was thinking moderated to keep noise down on the wiki list, so that it's clean and efficient communication between the editors so we can coordinate what we are doing. A lot of people blanket send to all lists, or send irrelevant information. The input from the community would be taken from the community list, etcbut either way I suppose we'll get the job done. There was talk about someone at OM already trying to minimize the lists, so I figured keeping the wiki-editors list to a minimum may help with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I will try to take care of the italian version of the wiki. Please add me to the ML ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 16 Jul 2008, at 20:09, Michael Shiloh wrote: ... IIRC these are the volunteers. My apologies if I left anyone off - please add yourself: Josh Monson John Reese Torfinn Ingolfsen Ian Douglas Jay Vaughan I will certainly subscribe contribute if this is an unmoderated list. I'm not going to make a massive time commitment, but would like to contribute where I see a need. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hello, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: I agree. BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday, 17. July 2008 08:25:54 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Happy to see that you bring that point up. I had a long and healthy discussion with her. The bottom line is: - She really appreciates your wish to help and gladly accepts it. - Mailing list fit into the Western style of communication not in the Eastern style. - Next to the cultural difference a flood of mails in English is a problem. A list would be less an issue if the list language would be Chinese or any other similar language as Japanese, Hongkongnese, etc (which is not realistic but should show the point). ;-) - Probably she will read the list but never post anything unless you directly address her (again cultural differences). My suggestion: Create your favorite communication channel. She probably will follow it but not become an active part in it. Once you have finishd your discussion send the result to her directly. We still try to help the Eastern people to understand and accept Western behaviour. That needs time. Meanwhile try to understand and support them. Greetings, Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup .. As have been said before in this thread: what we (the Openmoko community) need is a wiki editors group. Any volunteers? The wiki editors group would help each other (and other contributors) to improve the wiki, by creating information management, writing and style guidelines, guiding and teaching wiki contributors, and editing the wiki itself. Initially, the group could consist of the people most active in editing the wiki already. Further recruitment could be based on quality and quantity of contributions to the wiki. Of course the Wiki editors would have a hall of fame page on the wiki that would describe the tasks that the group do, list the names of the editors (and perhaps what period they acted in that role?) and so on (Please change the subject line to reflect the topic) As Curtis said in a previous mail, we are a small company, and we need your help in maintaining the wiki. I think Torfinn's suggestion is an excellent one, and I appreciate his suggestion and the immediate volunteering of some 5-6 people. I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? This is very exciting. Many of us are frustrated by the wiki, but have lacked the time to fix it. I applaud you all. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:54 AM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with opkg update opkg upgrade being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id Just [EMAIL PROTECTED] wiki-editors sounds like an official title and that may dissuade people from joining. Also, surely this list would not exclude wiki-reviews, wiki-graphic-designers, wiki-proofreaders, etc. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Matt Joyce wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about openmoko-wiki-editors? Since openmoko is already in the domain name, perhaps just [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] would be sufficient? -id Just [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. wiki-editors sounds like an official title and that may dissuade people from joining. Also, surely this list would not exclude wiki-reviews, wiki-graphic-designers, wiki-proofreaders, etc. ... and wiki-maintainers, as someone already posted I second Matt's observation +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] consensus from those of you who volunteered? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ian douglas wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 here Okay with me too ... but I also like the idea that another poster made: i.e. we have a separate group for wiki-maintainers. That way, everyone else doesn't get bogged down with our organizational/task management emails. - VV ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
