Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:55:49PM +0100, Michael wrote: > On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote: > > Awesome details. > > > > I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, > > so > > would > > stick to the morse code idea :). > > Would send out the details (and wiki them). > You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, > because back in those days you had to write everything to the screen > yourself and it should be similar to the hardware nowadays. I wouldn't use the Spectrum as a model -- it had a really weird non-linear frame buffer layout. In fact, none of the 8-bit micros' code would be much help, as they typically had <1 byte per pixel, rather than the more common 1-4 bytes per pixel of modern displays. IIRC, the Amiga also had strange display hardware, so I'd rule that one out as a model as well. :) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- How do you become King? You stand in the marketplace and --- announce you're going to tax everyone. If you get out alive, you're King. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote: > Awesome details. > > I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, > so > would > stick to the morse code idea :). > Would send out the details (and wiki them). You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, because back in those days you had to write everything to the screen yourself and it should be similar to the hardware nowadays. Michael. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am Samstag, 23. August 2008 19:04:18 schrieb Gilles Casse: > It time is very critical, it seems better to let the phone continuously on. > > Otherwise is this scenario acceptable (automatic call after 3 minutes): > the phone is off, the user still holds the power on button while the > kernel is starting (say during 5 seconds or more), when the OS is > operationnal, an automatic message is sent (with info on the user, > possibly gps coordinates, etc...). This is problematic, if the power button is pressed while the phone is in the pocket. Maybe it would be possible to boot the kernel, gsm and X, then display a button for emergency calls while the rest (bluetooth, wifi and user interface stuff) is starting up. If the user presses the emergency call button the bootprocess stops/pauses and a menu like this shows up: 911 999 112 Continue booting Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Hello, It time is very critical, it seems better to let the phone continuously on. Otherwise is this scenario acceptable (automatic call after 3 minutes): the phone is off, the user still holds the power on button while the kernel is starting (say during 5 seconds or more), when the OS is operationnal, an automatic message is sent (with info on the user, possibly gps coordinates, etc...). Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
> the point i was making is that when people are in stressful > situations they panic; even something as simple as selecting a > different option at boot-time becomes difficult. > > the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main > point. there are many more i could have chosen, but picked one > related to mobile phones No, You can't generalize like that. I'm a paramedic, I know when things are bad enough I should make the call and I don't have second doubts about it. When the situation arises and my Freerunner is for some reason turned off, it's not the panic element that stands before me and a connection to the EMT dispatcher but the time that I need to make my phone usable for said call. The choice should be there for those that have a use for those 20 extra seconds when it's needed. It could be an add-on and not included in the main distros, I don't care. I'm just saying that there are people who know, how to make best use out of this kind of solution. I see it as an installable ipk package containing a kernel image as well as a (modified) gsm daemon + everything else essential to the call that would probably go on a separate partition. There would be instructions to make to the boot manager and we'd have exactly what we need. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am 23.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb robin paulson: I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by pressing and go into an emergency mode. This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be possible. Not 2 minutes. The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call. You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. the point i was making is that when people are in stressful situations they panic; even something as simple as selecting a different option at boot-time becomes difficult. the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main point. there are many more i could have chosen, but picked one related to mobile phones The boot menu should in this case be ONLY an emergency button. Shown for about 3 seconds or the like, it could be pressed to bypass the normal boot sequence. If the button is not pressed the normal boot will occur. The uboot menu should not be used, because you have to press also the AUX button. This is unusual for the normal user thus they forgot about it. I have just pressed at the aux button from screen locked state. Is there a way to replace the usual 'buttons' by one 'Take Emergency call' or better an icon for it. The small dismiss button should stay at the mottom to go back into screen lock. This could then well documented. Also the power button could be used in paralell for the same issue. There is only a need to detect, that the phone was in screen lock mode. Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am Samstag, den 23.08.2008, 10:42 +0200 schrieb Federico Lorenzi: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU. > Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you > wouldn't need the display. > I think, too, it should be possible to create a mini OS only for emergency calls. The number to be called could be passed as a poot parameter, thus the boot configuration may be modified by a setup application. A mini OS: Maybe any open OS that is fast booting (freeDOS ???) Configuring in a DOS partition would also be possible from Linux I think. Is this possible ? Lothar > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Lothar Behrens wrote: >> problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to >> make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to >> boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people >> can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an >> emergency call. >> >> if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without >> unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even >> manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 >> times a day >> >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop >> > > I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking > screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by > pressing and go into an emergency mode. > > This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be > possible. Not 2 minutes. > > The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right > would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call. > > You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an > emergency call. the point i was making is that when people are in stressful situations they panic; even something as simple as selecting a different option at boot-time becomes difficult. the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main point. there are many more i could have chosen, but picked one related to mobile phones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small >> bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait. >> There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but >> that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy, I have no >> problem taking it off and dialing 112 in a hurry. I'm more worried >> about having to wait for my small linux computer to fully boot up >> while someone is bleeding to death in my arms. > > you will need a rather full blown linux image in any case. for making a > call you need several hardware components (audio, gsm, display, maybe > gps) up and running so you depend on the kernel drivers AND even some > higher level userspace apps anyway. better to optimize the initial > bootup time to a minimum. IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU. Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you wouldn't need the display. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Yogiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small > bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait. > There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but > that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy, I have no > problem taking it off and dialing 112 in a hurry. I'm more worried > about having to wait for my small linux computer to fully boot up > while someone is bleeding to death in my arms. you will need a rather full blown linux image in any case. for making a call you need several hardware components (audio, gsm, display, maybe gps) up and running so you depend on the kernel drivers AND even some higher level userspace apps anyway. better to optimize the initial bootup time to a minimum. my 2 cents clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:56:35 -0400 "Chris Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an > > emergency call. > > > > Lothar > > With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the > phone is locked. It happened to me once. I got a call a few minutes > later from the call center asking if everything was okay. I'd rather > not repeat that. > > Locks that do not allow emergency calls are good. Especially > considering that you need to take various other steps to place an > emergency call with the Freerunner (go to an application menu, choose > an icon, dial). Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait. There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy, I have no problem taking it off and dialing 112 in a hurry. I'm more worried about having to wait for my small linux computer to fully boot up while someone is bleeding to death in my arms. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an > emergency call. > > Lothar With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the phone is locked. It happened to me once. I got a call a few minutes later from the call center asking if everything was okay. I'd rather not repeat that. Locks that do not allow emergency calls are good. Especially considering that you need to take various other steps to place an emergency call with the Freerunner (go to an application menu, choose an icon, dial). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On 22 Aug 2008, at 09:56, Kalle Happonen wrote: > Jeff Sadowski wrote: > > > >> the whole reason to buy a >> freerunner is the fact that they support linux. > > > Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do > whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...) You snipped somewhat selectively there. Sure, you're free to install BSD on the Freerunner, too, but installing WindowsCE just removes freedoms again, so why bother? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On 22/08/2008, at 1:19 PM, Vikas Saurabh wrote: > I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, > so would stick to the morse code idea :). > Would send out the details (and wiki them). Here you go, I wrote an extremely simple example program: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bare_metal I don't have a physical device yet, so I've only tested this in qemu, but I can't see any obvious reason why it shouldn't work on the real thing. You should be able to upload it with u-boot in USB console mode using kermit. There should also be a way to flash it on in place of a kernel image or put it on a SD card, but I'm not familiar enough with u-boot to know how to do it. Anyway, for testing it's probably much easier just to send it via USB each time, rather than mucking around reflashing or putting SD cards in and out. You might need to adjust the for loop, as I set it based on the speed of qemu on my PC, it'll probably be completely different speed running on the device. You might like to extend it to flash "hello world" in morse code, or use an LED or the vibrator instead. You could get really fancy and have it "read" morse code from someone tapping the AUX button and make simple morse-code shell or some such. ;-) If you try it on a real device, please add instructions on how you did it to the wiki page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 21:48 +1200 schrieb robin paulson: > Lothar Behrens wrote: > > besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I > > like to ask another question: > > > > There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. > > And the commentary was > > 'How to take an emergency call ?' > > > > Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ? > > > > If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on > > screen by adding an emergency > > button and let the user the change to do so ? > > > > I think, this is very important. > > > it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus > motherboards? > > problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to > make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to > boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people > can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an > emergency call. > > if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without > unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even > manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 > times a day > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop > I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by pressing and go into an emergency mode. This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be possible. Not 2 minutes. The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call. You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. Lothar > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Lothar Behrens wrote: > besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I > like to ask another question: > > There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. > And the commentary was > 'How to take an emergency call ?' > > Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ? > > If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on > screen by adding an emergency > button and let the user the change to do so ? > > I think, this is very important. it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus motherboards? problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an emergency call. if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 times a day [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Jeff Sadowski wrote: > the whole reason to buy a > freerunner is the fact that they support linux. Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...) Kalle Happonen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)
Am 22.08.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Vikas Saurabh: Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) Hi, besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I like to ask another question: There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. And the commentary was 'How to take an emergency call ?' Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ? If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on screen by adding an emergency button and let the user the change to do so ? I think, this is very important. Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Vikas Saurabh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Awesome details. > > I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so > would stick to the morse code idea :). > Would send out the details (and wiki them). > > --Vikas > I totally agree with you ! Very Awesome details. Thanks a lot Alex. I'm not sure I could do such a thing, but I'm definitely interested to see how to do it. (Just for my personnal training) Please take us aware of what you will do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). --Vikas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Alex Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/08/2008, at 11:41 AM, Vikas Saurabh wrote: > > > Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I > > always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it > > some parameters and start executing them. > > Indeed, that's exactly what it does. It loads the kernel image into > RAM, puts some parameters and a pointer to the ATAGS (which include > stuff the kernel command-line) into registers and jumps to the start > of the image. See here for details: > > http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/booting.php > > > > > I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during > > college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how > > exactly? > > Note that the Freerunner doesn't have a BIOS. When you did it on x86 > you probably used the BIOS' printing routines. If you want to do it > on the FR you'll have to do your own font blitting etc. If you have > a debug board you could print it to a serial port. You can then also > use JTAG to debug your code and figure out what is going on. If you > don't have the debug board, I guess you could easily enough blink out > hello world in morse code through an LED or by turning on and off the > backlight or something. > > It might also be useful to play with it in qemu, just pass in your > binary with the -kernel option, you can connect gdb to it and step > through line by line (see the qemu documentation for how to do this). > > As to how to actually do it, it's a bit of a pain. You'll probably > need to write a little ARM assembler stub entry point to setup a > stack and call your C code. Although you might be able to just reuse > u-boots stack, I guess. Then you'll need to compile your code with - > nostdlib and link it in a way that ensures your assembler code is at > the start of the image, you might need to investigate custom linker > scripts for this, I can't remember. You can then use something like > "objcopy -O binary mycode.elf mycode.bin" to pull the raw code out of > the elf file the linker generated, so that you can give it to u-boot. > > Remember also that you won't have any standard library, so you'll > have to write every function you want to use yourself (or use > something like the OSKit C library) and if you code has a bug it's > just going to hang or reset the CPU, unless you define your own error > handling code. > > So yes, certainly doable and a good learning experience but it's not > exactly straightforward. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
On 22/08/2008, at 11:41 AM, Vikas Saurabh wrote: > Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I > always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it > some parameters and start executing them. Indeed, that's exactly what it does. It loads the kernel image into RAM, puts some parameters and a pointer to the ATAGS (which include stuff the kernel command-line) into registers and jumps to the start of the image. See here for details: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/booting.php > > I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during > college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how > exactly? Note that the Freerunner doesn't have a BIOS. When you did it on x86 you probably used the BIOS' printing routines. If you want to do it on the FR you'll have to do your own font blitting etc. If you have a debug board you could print it to a serial port. You can then also use JTAG to debug your code and figure out what is going on. If you don't have the debug board, I guess you could easily enough blink out hello world in morse code through an LED or by turning on and off the backlight or something. It might also be useful to play with it in qemu, just pass in your binary with the -kernel option, you can connect gdb to it and step through line by line (see the qemu documentation for how to do this). As to how to actually do it, it's a bit of a pain. You'll probably need to write a little ARM assembler stub entry point to setup a stack and call your C code. Although you might be able to just reuse u-boots stack, I guess. Then you'll need to compile your code with - nostdlib and link it in a way that ensures your assembler code is at the start of the image, you might need to investigate custom linker scripts for this, I can't remember. You can then use something like "objcopy -O binary mycode.elf mycode.bin" to pull the raw code out of the elf file the linker generated, so that you can give it to u-boot. Remember also that you won't have any standard library, so you'll have to write every function you want to use yourself (or use something like the OSKit C library) and if you code has a bug it's just going to hang or reset the CPU, unless you define your own error handling code. So yes, certainly doable and a good learning experience but it's not exactly straightforward. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Windows CE on freerunner
You can if your image must include implementation of the low level print function that write characters to hardware register. not a statically linked linux userspace helloworld program. Best Regards, Mac Lin Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:11:15 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Windows CE on freerunner Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how exactly? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Jeff Sadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you would need to replace uboot its ugly _ 5 GB 超大容量 、創新便捷、安全防護垃圾郵件和病毒 — 立即升級 Windows Live Hotmail http://mail.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Ohh...I guess you mean that it would not be possible to load windows kernel and tell it about the partition info etc so that it can continue booting. I think that is fine. I would be more than happy to have my program start up by uboot. Windows was just an example that my friend had set up. Thanks a lot. --Vikas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Jeff Sadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > you can with a normal OS windows has its own bootloader > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
you can with a normal OS windows has its own bootloader On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Vikas Saurabh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always > thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and > start executing them. > > I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college...but then > maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how exactly? > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Jeff Sadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> you would need to replace uboot its ugly > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how exactly? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Jeff Sadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > you would need to replace uboot its ugly > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
you would need to replace uboot its ugly On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Vikas Saurabh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program > running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded > by uboot. > Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) > > --Vikas > PS: On a lighter note, I cant run away from that friend, he sits right > beside my cube in my office :) > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:02 AM, David Samblas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen >> him , run away as far as you can, >> El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a >> > point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow >> > get the flash image of the OS)? >> > >> > Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a "Hello World" >> > program that I compile completely statically? >> > >> > --Vikas >> > >> > PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that >> > should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Yes you could it would be the same as putting windows ce on a gumstix. When I first read this I was thinking I had to set someone straight. You probably already know this but I will say it anyways. You can buy a phone with windows ce on it already and it would be cheaper and could do all the same things that you would be able to do with windows ce on the free runner the whole reason to buy a freerunner is the fact that they support linux. With linux and a good programmer you can do things you could never have dreamed of under windows because of licensing stipulations. and there just isn't the driver support for windows ce on the arm processor. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:32 PM, David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen > him , run away as far as you can, > El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: >> Hi All, >> >> I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a >> point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow >> get the flash image of the OS)? >> >> Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a "Hello World" >> program that I compile completely statically? >> >> --Vikas >> >> PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that >> should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) --Vikas PS: On a lighter note, I cant run away from that friend, he sits right beside my cube in my office :) On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:02 AM, David Samblas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen > him , run away as far as you can, > El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: > > Hi All, > > > > I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a > > point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow > > get the flash image of the OS)? > > > > Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a "Hello World" > > program that I compile completely statically? > > > > --Vikas > > > > PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that > > should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen him , run away as far as you can, El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: > Hi All, > > I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a > point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow > get the flash image of the OS)? > > Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a "Hello World" > program that I compile completely statically? > > --Vikas > > PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that > should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Windows CE on freerunner
Hi All, I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow get the flash image of the OS)? Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a "Hello World" program that I compile completely statically? --Vikas PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
