Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
1. this is a gta01 from our one and only community member of the week, Josch. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week#Week_1:_Monday.2C_31_March 2. you can buy the material here: http://www.bikertech.de/html/pda-selbstbau.html 3. the gta01 owner are the real advocates of the OpenMoko project ;) cheers! Joerg Reisenweber schrieb: Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb Timo Scheffler: That's the way to go :) I made something simple in about half an hour, using this [1] as insipration. Just get some Polymethylmethacrylat (PMMA - Plexiglas - marketing name here), a spare socket from a removable light, a jigsaw and a heat gun :) After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) Btw. the hole in the Neo is great to tie it to the holder - just in case some accident happens or so. Timo [1]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/stencil.svg [2]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/100_5593.JPG WTF is this ugly black thing on top of it? ;-) Don't you know builtin GPS isn't that bad anymore, after kernelpatch (and 10pF on uSD)? cool :-) /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb Timo Scheffler: That's the way to go :) I made something simple in about half an hour, using this [1] as insipration. Just get some Polymethylmethacrylat (PMMA - Plexiglas - marketing name here), a spare socket from a removable light, a jigsaw and a heat gun :) After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) Btw. the hole in the Neo is great to tie it to the holder - just in case some accident happens or so. Timo [1]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/stencil.svg [2]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/100_5593.JPG WTF is this ugly black thing on top of it? ;-) Don't you know builtin GPS isn't that bad anymore, after kernelpatch (and 10pF on uSD)? cool :-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Not my pictures :) I was too lazy too make pictures of my own creation... I use the internal GPS and most of the time it is good. Joerg Reisenweber schrieb: Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb Timo Scheffler: That's the way to go :) I made something simple in about half an hour, using this [1] as insipration. Just get some Polymethylmethacrylat (PMMA - Plexiglas - marketing name here), a spare socket from a removable light, a jigsaw and a heat gun :) After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) Btw. the hole in the Neo is great to tie it to the holder - just in case some accident happens or so. Timo [1]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/stencil.svg [2]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/100_5593.JPG WTF is this ugly black thing on top of it? ;-) Don't you know builtin GPS isn't that bad anymore, after kernelpatch (and 10pF on uSD)? cool :-) /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
2009/4/26 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Am So 26. April 2009 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/4/26 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com: But there seems to be one thing against putting OpenMoko on handlebars. The vibrations that come from a wheel could be(and it seems it will be) killing for the device to drive through the forest or say off-road. It seems to be much safer for a device to put it in jacket or coat. i'm not convinced you're going to do too much damage - moving parts would be the worst affected by sustained vibration it wouldn't need much in the way of damping, say some foam padding between the clamp and freerunner, to reduce any vibration to nearly zero it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs FR is designed to withstand a droptest of 80cm (iirc) to concrete. There are no moveable parts inside except battery (which might be a good idea to add a *thin* layer of foam to fix it for good) and vibrator (and speaker membranes). I don't think bicycle vibrations / impact is a big issue. Nevertheless care about proper protection against rain or put FR in a pocket on first drop. Water resistance wasn't a design parameter. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
2009/4/28 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org: Am So 26. April 2009 schrieb Robin Paulson: it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs FR is designed to withstand a droptest of 80cm (iirc) to concrete. There are no moveable parts inside except battery (which might be a good idea to add a *thin* layer of foam to fix it for good) and vibrator (and speaker membranes). I don't think bicycle vibrations / impact is a big issue. Nevertheless care about proper protection against rain or put FR in a pocket on first drop. Water resistance wasn't a design parameter. Thanks for this! Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Am Dienstag, 28. April 2009 18:25:17 schrieb Sam Kuper: 2009/4/28 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org: Am So 26. April 2009 schrieb Robin Paulson: it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs FR is designed to withstand a droptest of 80cm (iirc) to concrete. There are no moveable parts inside except battery (which might be a good idea to add a *thin* layer of foam to fix it for good) and vibrator (and speaker membranes). I don't think bicycle vibrations / impact is a big issue. Nevertheless care about proper protection against rain or put FR in a pocket on first drop. Water resistance wasn't a design parameter. Thanks for this! Maybe wrapping the FR in wrapping film works (At least as a short-term hacky solution :) ). Excluding the screen would be good to prevent unnessecary reflections though. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
On Tuesday 28 April 2009, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Don't you know builtin GPS isn't that bad anymore, after kernelpatch (and 10pF on uSD)? Does the 10pF actually give any benefit? I don't have the 10pF and GPS has worked fine since the kernel patch. Rootfs is on SD so there is probably SD activity while getting first fix. The only problems have been when FSO has fed it duff time, position estimate, almanac or ephemeris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Am Dienstag 28 April 2009 18:25:17 schrieb Sam Kuper: 2009/4/28 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org: Am So 26. April 2009 schrieb Robin Paulson: it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs FR is designed to withstand a droptest of 80cm (iirc) to concrete. There are no moveable parts inside except battery (which might be a good idea to add a *thin* layer of foam to fix it for good) and vibrator (and speaker membranes). I don't think bicycle vibrations / impact is a big issue. Nevertheless care about proper protection against rain or put FR in a pocket on first drop. Water resistance wasn't a design parameter. Hi everyone, I did one bike tour (~50km), and a few smaller tours with my Freerunner and TangoGps (before I read this on the list). I'm mainly on good roads, but forest, too. It doesn't seem to damage the freerunner, mine still works fine. I use the mount described here: [1] Johannes [1] http://andre.web-yard.de/blog/2008/08/03/neo-freerunner-rocks-hard-rides- free/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
FR is designed to withstand a droptest of 80cm (iirc) to concrete. There are no moveable parts inside except battery (which might be a good idea to add a *thin* layer of foam to fix it for good) and vibrator (and speaker membranes). I don't think bicycle vibrations / impact is a big issue. How about motorcyling? I heard that GPS devices designed for motorcyles are not just waterproof but also more robust inside, due to the permanent vibrations a motorcyle produces. However I have occasionally used my old HTC P3300 (Artemis) for navigation and it did not seem to take any harm. To attach it I used stuff from a Medion PNA, that came with an outdoor kit, namely a showerproof case and a holder for bycicles (that fit on my motorcycle too). Regards thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
2009/4/29 Johannes Kirschner roterg...@gmx.de: I did one bike tour (~50km), and a few smaller tours with my Freerunner and TangoGps (before I read this on the list). I'm mainly on good roads, but forest, too. It doesn't seem to damage the freerunner, mine still works fine. I use the mount described here: [1] that's good to hear, as is the 800mm drop-test-onto-concrete design parameter the bad thing with vibrations though, is the long-term effect. ten thousand oscillations (say) might be ok, but what about 50,000, or a million? i've done plenty of long-distance bike-riding, and even on tarmac the vibrations over thousands of ks will do significant damage (to biking gear, and the person...) cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
ivvmm wrote: ivvmm wrote: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? The thread has grown up with several branches, so would answer self post. I would like to thank you all for the suggestions and plenty of links. But there seems to be one thing against putting OpenMoko on handlebars. The vibrations that come from a wheel could be(and it seems it will be) killing for the device to drive through the forest or say off-road. It seems to be much safer for a device to put it in jacket or coat. At least for me, the vibrations from a rought bike ride didn't harm the freerunner at all. Of course you should take care it can't fall down, but that's generally a good idea. ;) If you keep the freerunner in a pocket, the downside is that the quality of the gps readings goes down drastically (depends on the type of pocket, i.e. the thickness of the material between the freerunner and the outside world) if you don't use an external antenna. Just my experience, though... But with a good bike mount (I use the one Daniel Willmann sugessted earlier - the foam padding probably helps against vibrations, too) your freerunner should be safe. :) Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
2009/4/26 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com: But there seems to be one thing against putting OpenMoko on handlebars. The vibrations that come from a wheel could be(and it seems it will be) killing for the device to drive through the forest or say off-road. It seems to be much safer for a device to put it in jacket or coat. i'm not convinced you're going to do too much damage - moving parts would be the worst affected by sustained vibration it wouldn't need much in the way of damping, say some foam padding between the clamp and freerunner, to reduce any vibration to nearly zero it would be very helpful of openmoko, to release any technical docs for the mechanical side of the phone, i.e. the acceleration values it's designed to, so we can make a more scientific assessment of what sort of damping it needs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:06:27 +0200 Nicolas Pichon nicolas.pic...@luceor.com wrote: ivvmm a écrit : Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking#Bike_Mounts I've been using the mount Andre documented for some time now. It works pretty good. Got mine from pearl, don't know if that's an option for you: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
ivvmm wrote: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? The thread has grown up with several branches, so would answer self post. I would like to thank you all for the suggestions and plenty of links. But there seems to be one thing against putting OpenMoko on handlebars. The vibrations that come from a wheel could be(and it seems it will be) killing for the device to drive through the forest or say off-road. It seems to be much safer for a device to put it in jacket or coat. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bicycling with OpenMoko
Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
Am Donnerstag, 23. April 2009 12:35:57 schrieb ivvmm: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? Build yourself something hacky and put the neo in. :D I've seen constructions of styrofoam, but wood's possible, too... -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
On Thursday 23 April 2009, ivvmm wrote: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? I made a mount out of polymorph - a trade name for a low melt plastic that feels similar to nylon, but becomes like putty at ~60C. Someone else routed a recess in a sheet of chipboard. I saw pictures of one made from folded acrylic sheet - very neat! Some have used commercial generic phone/pda holders. You could even go the whole hog and get an Otterbox PDA case with bike mount for all-weather ruggedness. At the other end of the scale someone was using a cable tie through the hole in the phone and round the handlebars! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
ivvmm a écrit : Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking#Bike_Mounts ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
That's the way to go :) I made something simple in about half an hour, using this [1] as insipration. Just get some Polymethylmethacrylat (PMMA - Plexiglas - marketing name here), a spare socket from a removable light, a jigsaw and a heat gun :) After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) Btw. the hole in the Neo is great to tie it to the holder - just in case some accident happens or so. Timo [1]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/stencil.svg [2]: http://www.rabenfrost.net/openmoko/bikemount/100_5593.JPG Al Johnson schrieb: On Thursday 23 April 2009, ivvmm wrote: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? I made a mount out of polymorph - a trade name for a low melt plastic that feels similar to nylon, but becomes like putty at ~60C. Someone else routed a recess in a sheet of chipboard. I saw pictures of one made from folded acrylic sheet - very neat! Some have used commercial generic phone/pda holders. You could even go the whole hog and get an Otterbox PDA case with bike mount for all-weather ruggedness. At the other end of the scale someone was using a cable tie through the hole in the phone and round the handlebars! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
ivvmm wrote: Hey, seen many messages about audio mapping the OSM with new app called 'Dictator' in neighbour thread and so on. But the first question that rises here is how to mount the phone on your bike? I have a generic phone holder for cars, that happen to fit the freerunner. I plan on attaching the other end to the cycle, shouldn't be hard to do. I have also found that for mapping, bringing the phone in a jacket pocket is sufficient. Just get a fix first, as the phone need good signal quality in order to download orbital data from the satellites. Such high quality is not necessary for keeping the fix thereafter, so a pocket is fine. Use a headset if you also want to do voice recording while bicycling. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
On Thursday 23 April 2009, Timo Scheffler wrote: After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) No. 10 cable cleats are great for fixing things to handlebars too, and very cheap. http://uk.farnell.com/pro-power/np10/cable-cleat-pk25/dp/7257399 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bicycling with OpenMoko
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:46:35PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009, Timo Scheffler wrote: After you have something like this [2] you simply glue it on the socket with much hot melt adhesive and there you go. :) No. 10 cable cleats are great for fixing things to handlebars too, and very cheap. http://uk.farnell.com/pro-power/np10/cable-cleat-pk25/dp/7257399 I was thinking about some kind of a holder for more than half a year, then I found an old bicycle light with removable bottom and a plastic cover for the 5 1/4 holes on a computer case... took a few cable ties and I could finally attach the neo to my bike.. http://people.ksp.sk/~yoyo/foto/?dir=pict%2F2009%2F04+Drziak+na+openmoko I was afraid it would not really hold together... but it survived over 250km this weekend quite well.. yoyo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
