Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-03 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008, Christopher J. White a écrit :
 On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

 I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
 of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
 between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
 duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
 pages.

 I would prefer everything on Debian's wiki, and just a link in the 
wiki.openmoko.org . Simplest way to avoid duplication.

Minh

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 00:36 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
 On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:
 
  Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
 
 I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
 of an install.

Thanks!

  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
 between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
 duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
 pages.

I’d prefer if the debian.org wiki contains only concise install
information and maybe important warning. Unrelated or general stuff
(e.g. how to make a backup) ought to be moved out to a subpage or the
openmoko wiki IMHO and only linked.

The openmoko wiki page seems (and that’s ok) more a place for discussion
and further (inofficial, or risky) hacks related to Debian. I think this
is a useful separation. The openmoko wiki page needs to be cleaned up
thoroughly, it seem, as it is large, confusing and has some outdated
information.

TIA,
Joachim

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-03 Thread Sascha Wessel
Hi,

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:20:58PM +0100, Pander wrote:
 What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
 so far:
 - enlightenment
 - icewm
 - xfce
  - fvwm :)

Greetings,
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debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
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hello there,

i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
but i've a problem. the file

/etc/init.d/zhone-session
doesn't exist. ls-output:

debian-gta02:~# ls /etc/init.d/
README   checkroot.shhostname.shmountall-bootclean.sh
mtab.sh rcSstop-bootlogd-single  wpa-ifupdown
alsa-utils   dbushwclock.sh mountall.sh   
networking  reboot udev  x11-common
apmd dropbearhwclockfirst.shmountdevsubfs.sh  
nodmrmnologin  udev-mtab xfce
bluetoothfso-frameworkd  ifupdown   mountkernfs.sh
pppd-dnssendsigs   umountfs
bootlogd fso-gpsdifupdown-clean mountnfs-bootclean.sh
procps  single umountnfs.sh
bootmisc.sh  glibc.shkillprocs  mountnfs.sh   
rc  skeleton   umountroot
checkfs.sh   haltmodule-init-tools  mountoverflowtmp  
rc.localstop-bootlogd  urandom
debian-gta02:~#

the file called xfce is build from myself and had just a small, and i
think false, content:

debian-gta02:~# cat /etc/init.d/xfce
PROG_FSO=/usr/bin/startxfce4
debian-gta02:~#

i also used

update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove

which seems to work fine.. but i could do it so much as i want and it
does nothing..
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~#

so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
old?

i'l make it correct, if i know how..

my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

hope for help. greets

vince

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread arne anka
 /etc/init.d/zhone-session
 doesn't exist.

zhone-session is dead.
what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
fr according to the ls).

 my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
nodm. it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.

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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Vinzenz Hersche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 /etc/init.d/zhone-session
 doesn't exist. ls-output:

Have you installed the zhone-session package?

 so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
 old?

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner is the documentation your
should use.

Also, I don't use zhone-session. I just use normal xdm exactly like on
my PC.




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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Jelle De Loecker
Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
  /etc/init.d/zhone-session
  doesn't exist.
 
 zhone-session is dead.
 what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
 fr according to the ls).
 
  my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
 
 i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
 nodm. it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.

Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.

I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user

Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
skerit)

Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:

xfce4-session 
zhone 
openmoko-panel-plugin

And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02

I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
it then with xfce4's wm.

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker



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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Pander
What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
so far:
- enlightenment
- icewm
- xfce
- ...

Jelle De Loecker wrote:
 Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
 /etc/init.d/zhone-session
 doesn't exist.
 zhone-session is dead.
 what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
 fr according to the ls).

 my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
 i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
 nodm. it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.
 
 Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
 I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.
 
 I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user
 
 Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
 skerit)
 
 Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:
 
 xfce4-session 
 zhone 
 openmoko-panel-plugin
 
 And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
 127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02
 
 I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
 it then with xfce4's wm.
 
 Greetings,
 Jelle De Loecker
 
 
 
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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 18:50 +0100 schrieb Vinzenz Hersche:
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 hello there,
 
 i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
 but i've a problem. the file
 
 /etc/init.d/zhone-session
 doesn't exist. 

the Wiki is slightly outdated. nodm is a generic replacement for
zhone-session, which uses the standard Xsession way of finding out what
to start.

I suggest you modify /root/xsession to start xfce instead of matchbox.

Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

Greetings,
Joachim


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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 20:20 +0100 schrieb Pander:
 What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
 so far:
 - enlightenment
 - icewm
 - xfce
 - ...

xmonad (but I didn’t try to compile my own configuration back then):
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html

in general, any should work (if not, it’s a bug), but of course not all
make sense.

Greetings,
Joachim
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Re: debian and xfce?

2008-12-02 Thread Christopher J. White
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:

 Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
pages.

...cj



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Re: [debian] starting xfce as non root

2008-10-14 Thread Davide Scaini
already done...
not working...

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:38 PM, gromez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ...i tryed several times... now i give up!
  I followed carefully the wiki instructions but i'm not able to run xfce
 as
  non root user...
  do you have an idea?
  i tryed modifying /etc/init.d/xfce with my user name, but there is no
 way...
  any hints?

 I've recently updated the wiki because I've got the same problem.
 Check point 3

 3. Edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and change allowed_users=console to
 allowed_users=anybody

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[debian] starting xfce as non root

2008-10-14 Thread Davide Scaini
...i tryed several times... now i give up!
I followed carefully the wiki instructions but i'm not able to run xfce as
non root user...
do you have an idea?
i tryed modifying /etc/init.d/xfce with my user name, but there is no way...
any hints?
thanks
d
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Re: [debian] starting xfce as non root

2008-10-14 Thread gromez
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...i tryed several times... now i give up!
 I followed carefully the wiki instructions but i'm not able to run xfce as
 non root user...
 do you have an idea?
 i tryed modifying /etc/init.d/xfce with my user name, but there is no way...
 any hints?

I've recently updated the wiki because I've got the same problem.
Check point 3

3. Edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and change allowed_users=console to
allowed_users=anybody

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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-18 Thread Michele Renda
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Hi Sebastian

I am using your patch and simply it is perfect. You could add also the
visive feedback, but for me is usefull also so.

In this moment I am using my FR with Debian + XFCE + Pidgin etc etc.
About the calibration it work with your new calibration. It seem to be
that the start point is on TOP-LEFT but then, when I move the pointer,
it move only of X/2 and Y/2.

I think you have to check what you modified.

In every case thank you for your patch, it gave me the possibility to
full use my XFCE DE

Regards
Michele Renda

Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 18:15 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 thanks for the fast work -- but it seems to damage calibration.
 in the upper left corner stylus and pointer are at the same position, but  
 the more i go towards lower right, the greater the gap betwen the pointer  
 position and the position i tap.
 when in the lower right corner, the pointer is at maybe 2/3.
 i had the same problems. simply download
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal and cat it again
 in /etc/pointercal. i don't know why there is a version for fso and
 non-fso ... i thought that the calibration data should be independent of
 the framework.
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Michele Renda
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Hi Nicholas

It is strange. You should have zhome running that show you a little
interface. Are you sure the installation was ok?

I tried to install XFCE and I was successfull: I installed Debian using
the procedure. (I used only a vfat/ext3 to have less truble).
After the zhome turn on, with CTRL+ALT+X I open a terminal and with
apt-get I installed aptitude.

apt-get install aptitude

Then I installed xfce with all the dependencies. It took some time but
at the end I got a full funtional debian desktop in my freerunner. You
can find all the usually application (Pidgin, Editor,etc.) only your
limit is the space on SD card and the ram in the system.

I is fantastic, the only thing you need is a bigger Micro SD card,
because the 512Mb one shipped is sufficent only for the base image and
pidgin.


I hope my experience will be usefull for someone.

Regards
Michele Renda


Nicholas Dube wrote:
 I just installed debian to my freerunner.  How do I startup the gui?  I
 have xterm running.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread arne anka
 I is fantastic, the only thing you need is a bigger Micro SD card,
 because the 512Mb one shipped is sufficent only for the base image and
 pidgin.

how do you manage to right click?

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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Michele Renda
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Simply, it doesn't exist :)

I think I need it to personalize the toolbar, but for now there is no
possibility to give a right click.

I hope the patch for the left click arrive fast to Debian!

arne anka wrote:
 I is fantastic, the only thing you need is a bigger Micro SD card,
 because the 512Mb one shipped is sufficent only for the base image and
 pidgin.
 
 how do you manage to right click?
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:39 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 I hope the patch for the left click arrive fast to Debian!
until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
+fso2_armel.deb

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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Michele Renda
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What to say Thank you a lot for your patch.

I will try now to use it when I will finish to reinstall Debian in my
new 2Gb SD card :)

I will keep you informed of it work!

Michele Renda


Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:39 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 I hope the patch for the left click arrive fast to Debian!
 until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
 +fso2_armel.deb
 
  Sebastian Ohl
 
 
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Nicholas Dube
Thanks for the info.  I guess I didnt word my question right or provide
enough info.  A litte tired.  I have XFCE4 installed I just dont know how to
start it.  What command should I use?  Is there a way to make it startup by
default?

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 What to say Thank you a lot for your patch.

 I will try now to use it when I will finish to reinstall Debian in my
 new 2Gb SD card :)

 I will keep you informed of it work!

 Michele Renda


 Sebastian Ohl wrote:
  Hi,
 
  On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:39 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
  I hope the patch for the left click arrive fast to Debian!
  until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
  http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
  +fso2_armel.deb
 
   Sebastian Ohl
 
 
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Michele Renda
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Oh ... this is simple :)


The easist way is this: open a terminal and write:

nohup startxfce4 


nohup - don't close xfce when you close the terminal
startxfce4 - start xfce
 - don't lock the terminal



Nicholas Dube wrote:
 Thanks for the info.  I guess I didnt word my question right or provide
 enough info.  A litte tired.  I have XFCE4 installed I just dont know
 how to start it.  What command should I use?  Is there a way to make it
 startup by default?
 
 On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What to say Thank you a lot for your patch.
 
 I will try now to use it when I will finish to reinstall Debian in my
 new 2Gb SD card :)
 
 I will keep you informed of it work!
 
 Michele Renda
 
 
 Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:39 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 I hope the patch for the left click arrive fast to Debian!
 until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
 +fso2_armel.deb
 
  Sebastian Ohl
 
 
 
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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread arne anka
 until then you can install is yourself (its the tab+hold version)
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5
 +fso2_armel.deb

thanks for the fast work -- but it seems to damage calibration.
in the upper left corner stylus and pointer are at the same position, but  
the more i go towards lower right, the greater the gap betwen the pointer  
position and the position i tap.
when in the lower right corner, the pointer is at maybe 2/3.

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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 18:15 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 thanks for the fast work -- but it seems to damage calibration.
 in the upper left corner stylus and pointer are at the same position, but  
 the more i go towards lower right, the greater the gap betwen the pointer  
 position and the position i tap.
 when in the lower right corner, the pointer is at maybe 2/3.
i had the same problems. simply download
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal and cat it again
in /etc/pointercal. i don't know why there is a version for fso and
non-fso ... i thought that the calibration data should be independent of
the framework.

Sebastian


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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 18:04 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 The easist way is this: open a terminal and write:
apt-get install gdm should also do the trick. if you have only one user
on your phone you can enable autologin in gdm and so i boots directly
into xfce (or your favorite window manager)

Sebastian


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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread arne anka
 i had the same problems. simply download
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal and cat it again
 in /etc/pointercal. i don't know why there is a version for fso and
 non-fso ... i thought that the calibration data should be independent of
 the framework.

ah, well -- that did the trick!
great!

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Re: Debian help - XFCE

2008-08-17 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 17.08.2008, 18:38 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 Hi,
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 18:15 +0200, arne anka wrote:
  thanks for the fast work -- but it seems to damage calibration.
  in the upper left corner stylus and pointer are at the same position, but  
  the more i go towards lower right, the greater the gap betwen the pointer  
  position and the position i tap.
  when in the lower right corner, the pointer is at maybe 2/3.
 i had the same problems. simply download
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal and cat it again
 in /etc/pointercal. i don't know why there is a version for fso and
 non-fso ... i thought that the calibration data should be independent of
 the framework.

The tslib driver in Debian has a calibration bug[1] that can be worked
around by using the linked pointercal file. By now (well, sometime last
week), we have added a fixed version to the pkg-fso repository, now the
original pointercal (pointercal-fso) works.

Judging from your version number at
http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5 +fso2_armel.deb
you based your changes on our fixed version, so I’m surprised that
people have to use the work-around-pointercal file.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493942

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Joachim
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