Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim Although not necessarily well. I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore. It ran horribly slow. I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1. Anyone else have trouble like this? -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tuesday 13 October 2009, Jim Ancona wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the FR doesn't support. No, that's not the reason. With the exception of those built with the new native development kit, apk's (the Android application packaging format) run in the Dalvik VM and are processor independent. AFAIK, the issue with is only missing APIs. Of course, that doesn't make Gmail run any better, but it does mean that apps that are developed using the public APIs and don't use the NDK should run across Android platforms regardless of the underlying processor. And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Should have known. That's what happens when I post past my bedtime ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Steven ** montg...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim Although not necessarily well. I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore. It ran horribly slow. I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1. Anyone else have trouble like this? Performance is definitely an issue, and Michael Trimarchi has very recently committed some changes that seem to have improved the it significantly. Please feel free to log issues like this on the tracker at http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/list, especially if you have a reproducible case. For Anyone else...-type questions, you may have better luck getting feedback from other users on the mailing list at http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the FR doesn't support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Levy levy.santa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( Many of the Google Apps depend on APIs that aren't in the open source distribution (e.g. for login). If you are interested, there is quite a bit of discussion on the android-platform list (http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform) around what to do about the missing APIs and applications. I've been working on an open source clone of the proprietary Google Maps API. The code is here: http://gitorious.org/android-maps-api It should be included in upcoming daily and weekly builds for the android-on-freerunner project. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the FR doesn't support. No, that's not the reason. With the exception of those built with the new native development kit, apk's (the Android application packaging format) run in the Dalvik VM and are processor independent. AFAIK, the issue with is only missing APIs. Of course, that doesn't make Gmail run any better, but it does mean that apps that are developed using the public APIs and don't use the NDK should run across Android platforms regardless of the underlying processor. And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:14:32 am Warren Baird wrote: Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone? I'm using Michael Panicking Trimarchi's v15 image as an everyday phone and it works nicely. I've got working GSM (no echo), SMS, Wifi GPS and I can easily set Ogg files as my ringtone through the Android Music application (tested with Ziggy Stardust by Bauhaus :-) ). Bluetooth can see other BT devices but I've never tried to use it. Be aware that some of the Android applications you might expect to find if you've seen a G1 (Android Market, Maps, Google Talk, Voice, GMail, etc) won't be there as they're not open source and you're not permitted to redistribute them (as the Cyanogenmod maintainer has just discovered the hard way when Google asked him to stop distributing his alternative firmware for the G1 with those apps in). cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:14:32 am Warren Baird wrote: Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone? I'm using Michael Panicking Trimarchi's v15 image as an everyday phone and it works nicely. I've got working GSM (no echo), SMS, Wifi GPS and I can easily set Ogg files as my ringtone through the Android Music application (tested with Ziggy Stardust by Bauhaus :-) ). Bluetooth can see other BT devices but I've never tried to use it. Be aware that some of the Android applications you might expect to find if you've seen a G1 (Android Market, Maps, Google Talk, Voice, GMail, etc) won't be there as they're not open source and you're not permitted to redistribute them (as the Cyanogenmod maintainer has just discovered the hard way when Google asked him to stop distributing his alternative firmware for the G1 with those apps in). cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
Hi Neils, It's unfortunate that Koolu has gone unresponsive. I know maddog was at one point reading this list - if he still is, perhaps he can comment on the status of things. A question was raised on the Koolu forum asking for the plans with Android on the Freerunner. An email was sent to Brian, Jon and Marcelo to find out more. The same message was also posted to the mailing list hosted by Koolu. Nobody from Koolu's side responded. Makes it pretty obvious that it is not their priority to keep things going... The google code wiki is kinda sparse (understandable since it's so new), and the android sections on the openmoko wiki seem to be quite out of date. You're right and we already started organising ourselves to improve things. Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone? That is actually a good idea to put this on the Wiki. I've seen other distros doing the same. Will take this up in our discussions about the Wiki pages. Thanks for your input! Feel free to contribute more or join the discussion group ;-) In any case, we'll keep you and everybody posted on news and updates. Niels. _ Hebben jij en je vrienden leuke foto's van jullie feestje? Maak een groepsalbum en geniet nog extra na. http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
Is there instructions for installing Android manually on your SD card anywhere? I would like to try it out, but if it overwrites my NAND and installs a incompatible Qi boot loader so that my other installs don't work, I'll have to wait until those things are fixed. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: Is there instructions for installing Android manually on your SD card anywhere? There isn't yet. You can follow this issue if you want to know when an SD installable version is available: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 Jim I would like to try it out, but if it overwrites my NAND and installs a incompatible Qi boot loader so that my other installs don't work, I'll have to wait until those things are fixed. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
Hi, On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: There isn't yet. You can follow this issue if you want to know when an SD installable version is available: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 Thanks. I'll wait then. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
Hi there, As some of you might know, it appears that Koolu is no longer working on migrating Android to Freerunner. The community has tried to contact the Koolu people to get some sense of direction (including Jon Mad Dog Hall), but no response. Because of the lack of direction, it was difficult to assess the risk of Koolu pulling the plug and thereby loosing the code (including community patches), mailinglist etc. The community therefore decided to start hosting the code and mailinglist. This was announced yesterday, September 20th. On top of this, the community immediately released their first release of Android Cupcake! Version 0.1 of Android Cupcake for the Freerunner is now available for download. For those of you who've already tried Android, it is a well functioning (and pollished!) distro for your Freerunner. Let's hope the project can keep and gain some momentum. If you wan to try and be part if it, everything is at your disposal. I'll also try to put this in the community updates. All details are in Jim Ancona's mail. Niels. Message by Jim Ancona: -- I'm glad to announce a new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner! It's basically a merge of the Koolu code with Michael Trimarchi's enhancements and a few bug fixes and cosmetic things I've added. You can download it at our new Google Code site: http://android-on-freerunner.googlecode.com/files/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.1.zip Installation instructions are the same as for the recent Koolu betas: - Unpack the files on to a FAT formatted SD card. - Insert card into the Freerunner, and boot from NOR menu (hold AUX key, then power) - Choose Boot from SD Card (FAT and ext2) The automated install process should begin. It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. *NOTE:* This install process overwrites *everything* on the NAND inthe phone, including the bootloader. If this is not what you would like to do, please don't install this release! We'd love to have an SDcard installer, if someone would like to contribute it. The Google Code site includes a bug tracker. We've got a couple bugs added already. Please add any others you find. The code for the release is hosted at Gitorious, because Google Code doesn't support Git. The consensus of the discussions here seemed to be that we should have our own mailing list, so I've also created one at Google Groups. The URL to join it is below I'd really like this to become a real community project, so please help by contributing what you can. Not money, but bug reports (or even better, bug reports with patches), other code, or documentation. We have a wiki at the Google Code site. Anyone who would like to create content for it, please contact me and I'll add you to the project. I hope we can create a vibrant community around Android on Freerunner, and that you can help! Jim Ancona Google Code site: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Git repository: http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner New mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner _ Je hele online leven op één stek met Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/default.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: ... It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. I want to warn everybody that the Qi version provided by Koolu is some questionable fork to change partition layout or so i was told. The result is that it becomes incompatible with all other distros, so beware. This should really be added to some android docs, imho. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
On Monday 21 September 2009 11:25:42 Paul Fertser wrote: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: ... It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. I want to warn everybody that the Qi version provided by Koolu is some questionable fork to change partition layout or so i was told. The result is that it becomes incompatible with all other distros, so beware. This should really be added to some android docs, imho. Will simply reflashing an ordiary Qi allow you to boot other distros afterwards or does the Koolu version change other stuff? solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
Hi Neils, It's unfortunate that Koolu has gone unresponsive. I know maddog was at one point reading this list - if he still is, perhaps he can comment on the status of things. The google code wiki is kinda sparse (understandable since it's so new), and the android sections on the openmoko wiki seem to be quite out of date. Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone? Warren On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi there, As some of you might know, it appears that Koolu is no longer working on migrating Android to Freerunner. The community has tried to contact the Koolu people to get some sense of direction (including Jon Mad Dog Hall), but no response. Because of the lack of direction, it was difficult to assess the risk of Koolu pulling the plug and thereby loosing the code (including community patches), mailinglist etc. The community therefore decided to start hosting the code and mailinglist. This was announced yesterday, September 20th. On top of this, the community immediately released their first release of Android Cupcake! Version 0.1 of Android Cupcake for the Freerunner is now available for download. For those of you who've already tried Android, it is a well functioning (and pollished!) distro for your Freerunner. Let's hope the project can keep and gain some momentum. If you wan to try and be part if it, everything is at your disposal. I'll also try to put this in the community updates. All details are in Jim Ancona's mail. Niels. Message by Jim Ancona: -- I'm glad to announce a new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner! It's basically a merge of the Koolu code with Michael Trimarchi's enhancements and a few bug fixes and cosmetic things I've added. You can download it at our new Google Code site: http://android-on-freerunner.googlecode.com/files/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.1.zip Installation instructions are the same as for the recent Koolu betas: - Unpack the files on to a FAT formatted SD card. - Insert card into the Freerunner, and boot from NOR menu (hold AUX key, then power) - Choose Boot from SD Card (FAT and ext2) The automated install process should begin. It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. *NOTE:* This install process overwrites *everything* on the NAND inthe phone, including the bootloader. If this is not what you would like to do, please don't install this release! We'd love to have an SDcard installer, if someone would like to contribute it. The Google Code site includes a bug tracker. We've got a couple bugs added already. Please add any others you find. The code for the release is hosted at Gitorious, because Google Code doesn't support Git. The consensus of the discussions here seemed to be that we should have our own mailing list, so I've also created one at Google Groups. The URL to join it is below I'd really like this to become a real community project, so please help by contributing what you can. Not money, but bug reports (or even better, bug reports with patches), other code, or documentation. We have a wiki at the Google Code site. Anyone who would like to create content for it, please contact me and I'll add you to the project. I hope we can create a vibrant community around Android on Freerunner, and that you can help! Jim Ancona Google Code site: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Git repository: http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner New mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner _ Je hele online leven op één stek met Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/default.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
Is there a way to tell which version of Qi you have from Linux? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: ... It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. I want to warn everybody that the Qi version provided by Koolu is some questionable fork to change partition layout or so i was told. The result is that it becomes incompatible with all other distros, so beware. This should really be added to some android docs, imho. Thanks for the report! I've added this to track the issue: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=11 I think this is due to Android expecting separate rootfs and user data partitions, but I'm not sure yet. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
