Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 25 August 2008 17:36:31 Jelle De Loecker wrote: > Stroller schreef: > > On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > >> ... > >> I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but > >> pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... > > > > Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. > > > > Stroller. > > That's the video Neowin featured on their frontpage after the release of > the freerunner, isn't it? > > If you want to read more of those retarded comments you should visit it. > I, however, stopped bothering. > > They're just trolls, what else can you say? I agree. I compare openmoko to the likes of openwrt the ability to do what you want with what you own. People like that have to warrant the money they spend on their iphone by railing on something they don't understand. When you and I are still hacking our mokos in 5 years time, and enjoying ourselves, that guy will be comparing linux gaming to his playstaion 5. Some people just haven't quite grasped when free = freedom. Just quietly grin with me. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Stroller schreef: > On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > >> ... >> I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but >> pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... >> > Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. > > Stroller. > That's the video Neowin featured on their frontpage after the release of the freerunner, isn't it? If you want to read more of those retarded comments you should visit it. I, however, stopped bothering. They're just trolls, what else can you say? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > > ... > > I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but > > pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... > > Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. > > Stroller. True.. but I would admit that usability does need to be worked on. Just a thought... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: > ... > I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but > pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
mån 2008-08-18 klockan 07:49 +0300 skrev Flyin_bbb8: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check > out his comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Everyone has the right to having an opinion and expressing it. I don't think he'll ever change opinion, unless it'll give him higher rankings/page hits ... / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Jan Keymeulen wrote: > On Mon 18 August 2008 om 16:27:48 GMT Kalle Happonen told us: > >> Flyin_bbb8 wrote: >> >>> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check >>> out his comments!!! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk >>> >> Not as much stupid as not grasping where/what OpenMoko is. Now the >> comments. They were pretty much written by idiots :). >> >> > > http://xkcd.com/202/ > Aaah, xkcd. How many times hasn't that saved my day :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Holger Freyther wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 22:09:44 Daniel Benoy wrote: > >> I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger >> keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really >> small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then >> I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that >> it's small on purpose. >> >> It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words >> that aren't in the dictionary. >> >> Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. > > Yes, that is the only downside of this keyboard. The gestures and features > are > not easy to discover. But besides that I can write SMS and names during a > ride with the public transportation (bus) easily. There should be 'help' for the input method. There are only a few gestures to learn, and once you learn them, it's easy. Easier than learning to ride a bike, but being difficult to learn never stopped most people from learning to ride... :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for new product in our store. Our distrubtors continue to take > everything we can build. So, check with them first. Its the same > product with the same or better pricing.Our goal is not to be in the > retail side of selling product but to empower our distributors. > Otherwise I have to spend a large amount of money building up a sales > and marketing staff. I would rather spend our money on engineering. > I would rather let those folks who already run distribution centers > use their expertise. So please check out the distributors. They > provide the same product at comparable prices. There's no distributor for Brazil. I became part of a group in the USA - I have contacts there - but there hasn't been a 900mhz phone sold via the online store yet. My group was assured you could mix 900mhz / 850mhz phones, bought a 850mhz phone that I can't use, and is waiting to exchange it. I've been reading this list forever without a phone to use. I understand your strategy may make general sense, but there be casualties. Just ranting. Any rough idea of when 900mhz phones will be available via the online store? - R ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 22:09:44 Daniel Benoy wrote: > I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger > keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really > small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then > I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that > it's small on purpose. > > It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words > that aren't in the dictionary. > > Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. Yes, that is the only downside of this keyboard. The gestures and features are not easy to discover. But besides that I can write SMS and names during a ride with the public transportation (bus) easily. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
well, we just revamped the whole site so we will find a way to add descriptions of the various software stacks. 1. shipping stack 2007. basic functionality. telephony, SMS, contacts. 2. Download stack: qtopia, a more polished end user experience, but it still has some bugs and doesnt fully expose all the hardware features 3. Download stack OM 2008. it's pre beta, but represents our way forward and will expose all the new hardware. 4. FSO. the new framework. It has some sample apps, like telephony. 5. Debian. I havent even looked at this yet. Freedom is a bit messy As for new product in our store. Our distrubtors continue to take everything we can build. So, check with them first. Its the same product with the same or better pricing.Our goal is not to be in the retail side of selling product but to empower our distributors. Otherwise I have to spend a large amount of money building up a sales and marketing staff. I would rather spend our money on engineering. I would rather let those folks who already run distribution centers use their expertise. So please check out the distributors. They provide the same product at comparable prices. Flyin_bbb8 wrote: >> To be >> completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] >> [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a >> completed (and fully-polished) product. >> >> Stroller. >> >> >> [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html >> [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner > > can someone fix this issue on the openmoko.com , there should be a > warning thing there about the software, Sean, Steve, Brenda, Michael? > anyone? the website needs an update really.. and this also ? --> The > next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. , at > least that part to be removed? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> To be > completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] > [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a > completed (and fully-polished) product. > > Stroller. > > > [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html > [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner can someone fix this issue on the openmoko.com , there should be a warning thing there about the software, Sean, Steve, Brenda, Michael? anyone? the website needs an update really.. and this also ? --> The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. , at least that part to be removed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 16:01:17 Lorn Potter wrote: > Brad Midgley wrote: > > Hey > > > > He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the > > time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. > > > > The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's > > unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a > > redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) > > I happen to think that Qtopia's predictive keyboard does really well for > using with a finger. The screen is not too small. > > > > I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that it's small on purpose. It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words that aren't in the dictionary. Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Brad Midgley wrote: > Hey > > He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the > time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. > > The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's > unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a > redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) I happen to think that Qtopia's predictive keyboard does really well for using with a finger. The screen is not too small. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
If you're referring to "lin2log" in the YouTube comments, then I don't think that's the guy who made the video. The video itself shows the name "Dave Freyam" when it opens, and he posted the video elsewhere about a week before that link was uploaded to YouTube. I don't think Freyam's done a fair review of the Freerunner, but I do credit him with more intelligence than that displayed by "lin2log". The comments that I attribute to Freyam seem to mostly have been posted using a nick / username of KirrinDave, and they're at least grammatically correct. From my interaction with Freyam, he seems mostly to be responding to the FSF article which disses the iPhone and offers Openmoko / the Freerunner as a potential alternative. I might speculate that one of Freyam's buddies or office-mate's bought a Freerunner on the basis of this, and he feels short-changed because he wasn't aware of the Freerunner's development status at the time of purchase. To be completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a completed (and fully-polished) product. Stroller. [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner On 18 Aug 2008, at 16:19, James Thomas Snell wrote: > In the past I wasted far too much time going back and forth with > that dude on the YouTube comment system. The thing is - if you read > the comments, he's really really trying to provoke people. My > initial comment to him was that I actually agreed with a number of > the points he made, but felt that his evaluation was flawed in that > it failed to asses what the OpenMoko Neo is all about - providing a > dev platform. Anyway - his replies were extremely irrational and > highly entertaining. I think we can take some good useability > pointers away, but keep in mind this dude is out to envoke a > response from people so that he can freak out at whatever comments > they leave and try to make himself look like a genious. > > ... >>> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to >>> check out his >>> comments!!! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 18 Aug 2008, at 05:49, Flyin_bbb8 wrote: hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk I wrote a really long rebuttal to this video on Reddit, when it first appeared a month ago. The guy who made the video replied, so he is aware of the criticism of his "review". You can read his response at http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lqkjq Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> The guy is notorious. > > http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ > "Just remember to take it for what it is - an open-source development platform and project designed to put mobile technology back in the hands of the people who use it, not a consumer-ready fashion statement meant for every day use. " What an incredibly short-sited fellow, eh? Doesn't he know that the real hackers are currently banking ca$h selling micro-SD pre-config'ed packages, 10 and 20 at a time, to people who are most definitely, in fashion. oh wait, thats just the edge of it. never mind. pay no attention. there is no train, and thus no wreck. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> The problem of this is: you would have to review them every 1 or 2 > weeks > because they change so rapidly. so? that'd provide a very lively view of the scene indeed, and i think thats needed. i can't personally set up and run the site myself, or i'd just as well do it, but i most certainly would participate in a weblog'y all- openmoko-news-and-reviews-all-the-time sort of scene with weekly news and updates. what is hot, what works, what is frustrating, what is b0rked, what is fresh, etc. frankly, what development is happening now is not being blagged enough about.. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
In the past I wasted far too much time going back and forth with that dude on the YouTube comment system. The thing is - if you read the comments, he's really really trying to provoke people. My initial comment to him was that I actually agreed with a number of the points he made, but felt that his evaluation was flawed in that it failed to asses what the OpenMoko Neo is all about - providing a dev platform. Anyway - his replies were extremely irrational and highly entertaining. I think we can take some good useability pointers away, but keep in mind this dude is out to envoke a response from people so that he can freak out at whatever comments they leave and try to make himself look like a genious. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Aaron Sowry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Benoy wrote: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > > >> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out > his > >> comments!!! > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > >> > >> > > > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > > > The guy is notorious. > > http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Daniel Benoy wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > >> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his >> comments!!! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk >> >> > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > The guy is notorious. http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Am Montag 18 August 2008 16:41:07 schrieb Jay Vaughan: > > My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying > > out?" > > Thats really the million-dollar question. If only there were a site > that was dedicated to trying all the possible distributions (what are > there now, 7 or 8 different things to run on a Freerunner) and make > solid conclusions so that we could decide without having to go through > hoops ourselves .. > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan The problem of this is: you would have to review them every 1 or 2 weeks because they change so rapidly. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon 18 August 2008 om 16:27:48 GMT Kalle Happonen told us: > Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check > > out his comments!!! > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > Not as much stupid as not grasping where/what OpenMoko is. Now the > comments. They were pretty much written by idiots :). > http://xkcd.com/202/ -- "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." -- Frank Zappa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying > out?" Thats really the million-dollar question. If only there were a site that was dedicated to trying all the possible distributions (what are there now, 7 or 8 different things to run on a Freerunner) and make solid conclusions so that we could decide without having to go through hoops ourselves .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check > out his comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk Not as much stupid as not grasping where/what OpenMoko is. Now the comments. They were pretty much written by idiots :). Kalle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Am Montag 18 August 2008 15:54:24 schrieb Daniel Benoy: > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out > > his comments!!! > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > > I've said this before, but I think openmoko should not have shipped this > version of the phone with any software. The big problem people have with > this (and with Linux on the PC) is that they're used to having no choice. > > They're used to being told exactly what on-screen keyboard they have to > use, and what interface they have to bring up their software, and when > they're allowed to cough or scratch their butts. When they see the nasty > matchbox keyboard, they balk and say 'This is what they've given us? That > makes this $400 investment totally useless!! Might as well pitch it out > now! Might as well use it as a paperweight!' or whatever their complaint > is, they assume it means the device is flawed. > > I've encountered the same ignorance when trying to explain Linux on the > desktop as well. People will complain and say 'They make you type in > commands? How primitive!' when they see me using the console. Or they'll > say 'Why don't they just use a taskbar? Linux sucks.' when using Gnome, > and the idea of installing KDE instead is totally alien to them. > > I don't think we can call them 'stupid', just misinformed, really. It's a > cultural thing that's going to require a lot of education. Although, it > does smack of nitpicking sometimes. > > Another fundimental problem is that people don't realize getting an > unlocked iPhone costs twice as much as an openmoko phone. Although this guy is partly simply correct - you made the point. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Hey He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying out?" Brad On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his > comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his > comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > Yeah what an eyeroller :p I've said this before, but I think openmoko should not have shipped this version of the phone with any software. The big problem people have with this (and with Linux on the PC) is that they're used to having no choice. They're used to being told exactly what on-screen keyboard they have to use, and what interface they have to bring up their software, and when they're allowed to cough or scratch their butts. When they see the nasty matchbox keyboard, they balk and say 'This is what they've given us? That makes this $400 investment totally useless!! Might as well pitch it out now! Might as well use it as a paperweight!' or whatever their complaint is, they assume it means the device is flawed. I've encountered the same ignorance when trying to explain Linux on the desktop as well. People will complain and say 'They make you type in commands? How primitive!' when they see me using the console. Or they'll say 'Why don't they just use a taskbar? Linux sucks.' when using Gnome, and the idea of installing KDE instead is totally alien to them. I don't think we can call them 'stupid', just misinformed, really. It's a cultural thing that's going to require a lot of education. Although, it does smack of nitpicking sometimes. Another fundimental problem is that people don't realize getting an unlocked iPhone costs twice as much as an openmoko phone. -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
