Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Congrats Ben and Abdallah. [cid:91c833f5-2742-44d2-8b84-26e0b474cdf0]<https://www.ug.edu.gh/>[cid:525b6737-0bc8-4d5d-8756-fa9a5a494e5a] Yusif Amadu Instructional Designer/Technologist University of Ghana Computing Systems Office: University of Ghana Telephone: +233(0)244 659245 Email: yam...@ug.edu.gh Website: www.ug.edu.gh<http://www.ug.edu.gh/> Skype: kooissi Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/yusif-amadu From: Sunday Folayan Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 10:59 AM To: Ish Sookun Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC Congratulations to the new Chair - Benjamin and the Vice Chair - Abdallah on your appointment. Good luck, as you navigate the waters and work hard to quickly achieve compliance. Please work with all willing members to seek ways to resolve all pending disputes, using Alternative Dispute Resolution methods where possible. Many thanks to SM and Prof for your services to the community. Sunday. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:16 AM Ish Sookun mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> wrote: Dear Mr. Eshun & Dr. Omari, I congratulate both of you for your appointment as Chairman and Vice-Chairman of AFRINIC respectively. I wish you all the best and hope you will be able to navigate the organisation through the rough waters. I also thank SM for his time, guidance and leadership. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd ___ Members-Discuss mailing list members-disc...@afrinic.net<mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Dear community, I write to congratulate Mr. Eshun and Dr. Omari. Am hopeful they will execute their duties in the best interest of AFRINIC and the community at large. Additionally, many thanks to the outgoing chair and vice chair for their selfless service and leadership. Regards, Murungi Daniel___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Congratulations to the new Chair - Benjamin and the Vice Chair - Abdallah on your appointment. Good luck, as you navigate the waters and work hard to quickly achieve compliance. Please work with all willing members to seek ways to resolve all pending disputes, using Alternative Dispute Resolution methods where possible. Many thanks to SM and Prof for your services to the community. Sunday. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:16 AM Ish Sookun wrote: > Dear Mr. Eshun & Dr. Omari, > > I congratulate both of you for your appointment as Chairman and > Vice-Chairman of AFRINIC respectively. > I wish you all the best and hope you will be able to navigate the > organisation through the rough waters. > > I also thank SM for his time, guidance and leadership. > > Regards, > > ——— > > Ish Sookun > > Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > > ___ > Members-Discuss mailing list > members-disc...@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Thank you dear CEO Eddy for the clarifications. I would like to join others with congratulations to both Mr. Ben & Dr. Abdalla, and wish them success and great courage in their new roles of Chair and vice-chair respectively, in this space which tends to become a zero-tolerance and zero-trust system. I also extend thanks to the former Chair and vice-chair for their hard and voluntary work in a difficult context in leadership over the past two years. Warm regards, Janvier Ngnoulaye University of Yaounde 1 Le mer. 8 juin 2022 à 12:09, Eddy Kayihura a écrit : > Dear All, > > The process was followed as per the bylaws provisions. > > Regards, > > Eddy > > On 8 Jun 2022, at 12:57, Noah wrote: > > > Andrew, > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, > wrote: > >> On the contrary Noah, >> >> >> >> No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the >> process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM >> and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very >> fair question to ask. >> > > I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and > without doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by > some is what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted > to explain and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for > the doubtful thomas's among us. > >> >> >> And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the >> context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and >> verse as to exactly where they happened. >> > > This is something else, so let us not mix things up. > > Noah > >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Noah >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM >> *To:* Mark Elkins >> *Cc:* AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC >> Discuss ; Owen DeLong >> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to >> the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC >> >> >> >> Hi Mark >> >> >> >> This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on >> members list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board >> at any chance some folks get, is a thing now. >> >> >> >> Noah >> >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, wrote: >> >> Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image >> cut from the PDF. >> >> Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - >> the last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice >> to the third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct >> a meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board >> members. If this happens - it must be minuted. >> >> On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: >> >> Hi Owen, >> >> >> >> Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then >> adjourned for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the >> bylaws. >> >> >> >> The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is >> open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum >> cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby >> deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting >> thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours >> and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is >> another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not >> be met and having no one to give notice to. >> >> >> >> Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - >> adjourned 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to >> be minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed >> despite members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where >> this organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - >> and to me that is even more troublesome than the quorum issue. >> >> >> >> Furthermore - last I checked the board of directors page online had >> updated the chair and vice chair but was still showing the old directors >> listed as current - why has that not been updated to show the vacant seats >> accordingly >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >&g
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Sorry, but I must disagree that it is something else. As I stated to someone – there was a time when people stepped outside of the bylaws that on minor issues it would be overlooked – but the time has come and gone when there can be no more affordances granted – because the boards actions have placed the members in a position where now, every action will be questioned to be sure it is in line with the bylaws to the letter. I point out that the website itself was updated with the new chair and vice chair – yet it also still shows the other directors as current – they aren’t. Despite an update having been done to that page that updates the chair and vice chair. I point out that the extension of term for the vice chair was disputed – and the board minutes clearly show that it was disputed – and also clearly indicate that there were conflicting legal opinions about if it was even legal to do what the board did in extending that term – and now – despite that – the board went and made him vice chair against a resolution that is, at best, legally dubious since it is an open question if he is still legally a director – and I suspect that will be heard in court once the issue of the election challenges is heard properly. So yes – people are asking questions – and not without cause – questions that every member has a right to – and probably should – be asking at every stage. Andrew From: Noah Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:57 PM To: Andrew Alston Cc: Mark Elkins ; AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC Discuss ; Owen DeLong Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC Andrew, On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: On the contrary Noah, No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very fair question to ask. I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and without doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by some is what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted to explain and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for the doubtful thomas's among us. And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and verse as to exactly where they happened. This is something else, so let us not mix things up. Noah Andrew From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM To: Mark Elkins mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AfriNIC Discuss mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net>>; Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC Hi Mark This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on members list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board at any chance some folks get, is a thing now. Noah On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> wrote: Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image cut from the PDF. Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - the last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice to the third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct a meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board members. If this happens - it must be minuted. On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: Hi Owen, Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws. The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not be met and having no one to give notice to. Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - adjourned 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to be minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed despite members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where this organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - and to me that is even more troublesome than the quo
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Thank you CEO Eddy, I agree with you and so are other reasonable members of this community. There will always be dissatisfied members but this community shall always strive to move on and at the right side of the law. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. Regards Robert Ford Independent ICT Consultant EAC ONA & Tech Investments +250 788504406 Twitter: @robertnford Skype: robert4dd Sent from my MacBook Air 13’ > On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:08, Eddy Kayihura <mailto:e...@afrinic.net>> wrote: > > Dear All, > > The process was followed as per the bylaws provisions. > > Regards, > > Eddy > >> On 8 Jun 2022, at 12:57, Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> wrote: >> >> >> Andrew, >> >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, > <mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: >> On the contrary Noah, >> >> >> >> No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the >> process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM >> and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very >> fair question to ask. >> >> >> I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and without >> doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by some is >> what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted to >> explain and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for the >> doubtful thomas's among us. >> >> >> And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the >> context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and >> verse as to exactly where they happened. >> >> >> This is something else, so let us not mix things up. >> >> Noah >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM >> To: Mark Elkins mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> >> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AfriNIC Discuss >> mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net>>; Owen >> DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the >> new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC >> >> >> >> Hi Mark >> >> >> >> This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on members >> list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board at any >> chance some folks get, is a thing now. >> >> >> >> Noah >> >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, > <mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> wrote: >> >> Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image cut >> from the PDF. >> >> >> >> Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - the >> last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice to the >> third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct a >> meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board members. >> If this happens - it must be minuted. >> >> On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: >> >> Hi Owen, >> >> >> >> Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned >> for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws. >> >> >> >> The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is >> open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum >> cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby >> deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting >> thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours >> and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is >> another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not >> be met and having no one to give notice to. >> >> >> >> Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - adjourned >> 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to be >> minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed despite >> members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where this >> organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - and to >> me
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 14:09 Eddy Kayihura, wrote: > Dear All, > > The process was followed as per the bylaws provisions. > > Regards, > > Eddy > I thought so I rest my case. Thank you Eddy. Noah ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Dear All, The process was followed as per the bylaws provisions. Regards, Eddy > On 8 Jun 2022, at 12:57, Noah wrote: > > > Andrew, > >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, >> wrote: >> On the contrary Noah, >> >> >> >> No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the >> process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM >> and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very >> fair question to ask. >> > > > I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and without > doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by some is > what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted to explain > and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for the doubtful > thomas's among us. >> >> >> And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the >> context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and >> verse as to exactly where they happened. >> > > > This is something else, so let us not mix things up. > > Noah >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Noah >> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM >> To: Mark Elkins >> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC >> Discuss ; Owen DeLong >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the >> new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC >> >> >> >> Hi Mark >> >> >> >> This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on members >> list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board at any >> chance some folks get, is a thing now. >> >> >> >> Noah >> >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, wrote: >> >> Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image cut >> from the PDF. >> >> >> >> Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - the >> last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice to the >> third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct a >> meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board members. >> If this happens - it must be minuted. >> >> On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: >> >> Hi Owen, >> >> >> >> Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned >> for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws. >> >> >> >> The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is >> open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum >> cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby >> deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting >> thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours >> and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is >> another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not >> be met and having no one to give notice to. >> >> >> >> Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - adjourned >> 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to be >> minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed despite >> members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where this >> organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - and to >> me that is even more troublesome than the quorum issue. >> >> >> >> Furthermore - last I checked the board of directors page online had updated >> the chair and vice chair but was still showing the old directors listed as >> current - why has that not been updated to show the vacant seats accordingly >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> >> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss >> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 12:54:52 AM >> To: Ish Sookun >> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC >> Discuss >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & >> Vice-Chair of AFRINIC >> >> >> >> How did the board hold a meeting given that they cannot field a quorum after >> the AGMM? >> >> Owen >> &g
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Andrew, On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, wrote: > On the contrary Noah, > > > > No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the > process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM > and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very > fair question to ask. > I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and without doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by some is what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted to explain and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for the doubtful thomas's among us. > > > And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the > context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and > verse as to exactly where they happened. > This is something else, so let us not mix things up. Noah > > > Andrew > > > > > > *From:* Noah > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM > *To:* Mark Elkins > *Cc:* AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC > Discuss ; Owen DeLong > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to > the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC > > > > Hi Mark > > > > This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on > members list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board > at any chance some folks get, is a thing now. > > > > Noah > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, wrote: > > Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image > cut from the PDF. > > Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - > the last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice > to the third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct > a meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board > members. If this happens - it must be minuted. > > On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > > > Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned > for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws. > > > > The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is > open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum > cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby > deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting > thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours > and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is > another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not > be met and having no one to give notice to. > > > > Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - > adjourned 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to > be minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed > despite members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where > this organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - > and to me that is even more troublesome than the quorum issue. > > > > Furthermore - last I checked the board of directors page online had > updated the chair and vice chair but was still showing the old directors > listed as current - why has that not been updated to show the vacant seats > accordingly > > > > Andrew > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > -- > > *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2022 12:54:52 AM > *To:* Ish Sookun > *Cc:* AFRINIC Community Discuss > ; AfriNIC Discuss > > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & > Vice-Chair of AFRINIC > > > > How did the board hold a meeting given that they cannot field a quorum > after the AGMM? > > Owen > > > > On Jun 7, 2022, at 00:15 , Ish Sookun > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Eshun & Dr. Omari, > > > > I congratulate both of you for your appointment as Chairman and > Vice-Chairman of AFRINIC respectively. > > I wish you all the best and hope you will be able to navigate the > organisation through the rough waters. > > > > I also thank SM for his time, guidance and leadership. > > > > Regards, > > > > ——— > > > > Ish Sookun > > > > Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > > > > ___ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > C
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
On the contrary Noah, No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very fair question to ask. And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and verse as to exactly where they happened. Andrew From: Noah Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM To: Mark Elkins Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC Discuss ; Owen DeLong Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC Hi Mark This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on members list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board at any chance some folks get, is a thing now. Noah On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, mailto:m...@posix.co.za>> wrote: Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image cut from the PDF. [cid:part1.994D76BD.619C6FA4@posix.co.za] Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - the last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice to the third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct a meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board members. If this happens - it must be minuted. On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote: Hi Owen, Well - it depends. If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws. The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby deliberately exploiting a loophole. It is one thing to call a meeting thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors. It is another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not be met and having no one to give notice to. Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - adjourned 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate. This would have to be minuted. The board has been silent on if this process was followed despite members asking the question. Once again we face a situation where this organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - and to me that is even more troublesome than the quorum issue. Furthermore - last I checked the board of directors page online had updated the chair and vice chair but was still showing the old directors listed as current - why has that not been updated to show the vacant seats accordingly Andrew Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 12:54:52 AM To: Ish Sookun <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AfriNIC Discuss <mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC How did the board hold a meeting given that they cannot field a quorum after the AGMM? Owen > On Jun 7, 2022, at 00:15 , Ish Sookun > <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Eshun & Dr. Omari, > > I congratulate both of you for your appointment as Chairman and Vice-Chairman > of AFRINIC respectively. > I wish you all the best and hope you will be able to navigate the > organisation through the rough waters. > > I also thank SM for his time, guidance and leadership. > > Regards, > > ——— > > Ish Sookun > > Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems
