[cg] Housing and Urban Gardens

2004-10-06 Thread Adam36055
Friends, 

Community gardening is 50 percent gardening and 100 percent community 
activism and political action. 

This is a Manhattan Community Board 4 letter to Amanda Burden, the 
Commissioner of NYC Planning on a proposed development in  the Clinton Urban 
Renewal 
Area which includes theatres, housing and commercial development, new green 
space 
and a  community garden. This NYC Uniform Land Use Review Process ( ULURP) 
vote will probably pass this evening.  I have forwarded it off to you to show 
the complexity, in terms of zoning and political conversations, that garden 
preservation usually needs in big cities.

I feel honored to have been on the Clinton Land Use and Zoning Committee that 
drafted this document, did the work ( over several years) to be able to 
cobble together the compromises that made housing and gardens a possibility on 
what 
is now very expensive real estate.  It is only when community gardeners get 
on local planning boards, get engaged in the political process and show some 
real staying power, that similar outcomes are possible. 

Everbest. 
Adam Honigman
Volunteer, 
 Clinton Community Garden 



October ___, 2004

 

Hon. Amanda M. Burden, AICP

Chair

City Planning Commission

22 Reade Street

New York, NY  10007

 

Re:  Clinton Green Mixed Use Development – 51st to 53rd Streets, West of 
Tenth Avenue - ULURP Applications No. 050050 ZMM, 050051 ZRM, 050052 ZSM, 
050053 
ZSM, 005054 ZSM and 005055 HAM

 

Dear Chair Burden:

 

At the recommendation of its Clinton/Hell’s Kitchen Land Use Committee, 
Manhattan Community Board No. 4, having held a duly noticed public hearing on 
ULURP 
applications number 050050 ZMM, 050051 ZRM, 050052 ZSM, 050053 ZSM, 005054 
ZSM and 005055 HAM, adopted the following resolution by roll call vote (___ in 
favor, ___ opposed, ___ abstentions and ___ present but not eligible to vote).

 

These are applications by the New York City Department of Housing 
Preservation and Development (HPD) and The Dermot Company (Dermot) for a series 
of land 
use approvals to facilitate the development of a mixed-use, primarily 
residential project on portions of Sites 8 and 9C within the Clinton Urban 
Renewal Area 
between 51st and 53rd Streets west of Tenth Avenue. 

 

This project will be one of the last major developments within the Clinton 
Urban Renewal area, completing a more than 30-year planning and urban renewal 
effort by the City and the Clinton community.  It is the result of a Request 
for 
Proposals issued by HPD on December 3, 2001.

 

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT

 

The proposed development will involve the construction of approximately 627 
residential rental units in two 24 story towers located in the midblock portion 
of the development site, on a platform to be constructed over the Amtrak rail 
cut, and a seven story building with frontages on Tenth Avenue and 53rd 
Street to house theater, gallery and administrative space for INTAR Hispanic 
American Arts Center and Ensemble Studio Theater (EST).  Seven residential 
condominium loft units will be located above the theater space.

 

Twenty percent of the rental apartments will be affordable to families with 
incomes up to 80% of the area median income for at least 30 years.  (This means 
. . . . [add annual income levels])  The condominium units will be sold at 
market rates.

 

The development will also include approximately 21,700 square feet of public 
open space, including an approximately 7,000 square foot linear park between 
51st and 52nd Streets, and an approximately 6,500 square foot adjacent to the 
Oasis Community Garden.

 

THE COMMUNITY’S CONCERNS

 

Since its selection as the developer for this project, Dermot has met many 
times with various members of the Clinton community to present their plans, 
listen to the community’s responses and revise their plans accordingly.  The 
Dermot team has won the respect of this community for its willingness to shape 
its 
plans to address our concerns, for its indefatigable optimism about this 
project despite its many planning challenges, and for the overall quality of 
the 
design that has emerged from the process.

 

Our concerns about this project relate to three main subjects:  the theater 
space, the open space and the project’s overall density.

 

The Theater Space

 

Theater space for INTAR and EST was included in the RFP in order to 
facilitate further redevelopment of the Clinton Urban Renewal Area.  Both 
organizations 
are vested tenants of City-owned space in the Clinton Urban Renewal Area and 
entitled to relocation benefits if they are to be displaced.  INTAR occupies a 
two-story building at 5?? W. 53rd Street that will be demolished to make way 
for the proposed development.  EST is housed in space at 549 W. 52nd Street 
that was to be redeveloped by the Women’s Interart Center.

 

The RFP therefore required the developer to “construct and fund the complete 
build out of theater spaces.”  Subsequently, Addendum 

[cg] Korean Vegetable/Herb

2004-10-06 Thread Sharon Gordon
Some of the Korean gardeners at one of our garden sites grow a plant that
seems to used as both a green and an herb.  Unfortuantely I only know one
Korean word, and none of the Korean gardeners speak more than a few words of
English.  So I'd like to describe it and see if anyone knows a latin or
English name for it.

They call it ssook with the oo sounding like the u in Sue or cute. And there
may be some tonal change in there among the oo's that I couldn't quite
catch.
The plants are shin to knee high and have leaves about an inch in diameter.
The shape of the leaf reminds me most of a chrysanthemum or some grape
leaves, or a maple leaf with shorter points/more rounded shape. It is not
the edible chrysanthemum which they also grow.  It's growth habit is similar
to mint, though the stem is not square like mint.  They harvest it by
picking individual leaves similar to the way a person might pick off
individual basil or bergarten sage leaves.  One woman was able to convey to
me that she cooks it by steaming it with rice.  She also referred to the
plant as nature's medicine.  Some of the people like it so much that they
have gotten a number of the non-Korean gardeners to let them weed it out of
their (other people's) plots when the non-Korean gardeners, not knowing what
it is, or plagued by it's mint-kudzu properties would have just composted it
all.  It's an early green in the spring (though I haven't noticed it as much
as the ground ivy in the early spring, so I think it might green up shortly
after it) and it lasts through the whole garden season, even now putting out
young leaves.

Sharon
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[cg] advice please re paying a stipend to a gardener

2004-10-06 Thread Jude Carson
Our garden has 100 plots and most of the people who garden go about their own 
business and do not help with communal jobs. This is despite people agreeing to 
help, signing up, etc. We have one gardener who has done most of the important 
routine tasks, like setting up and maintaining our water system, mowing common 
paths and areas, and dealing with any labour-intensive issue that arises. We 
would be lost without him but feel he is being taken for granted. Here's where 
the advice is needed: we would like to pay him a stipend, honorarium, whatever 
you want to call it, of maybe a couple of hundred dollars per season that he 
does this work. He knows nothing about this idea. The money's not a lot but at 
least it would recognise his importance to the continuance of the garden. We 
also have a significant amount in our budget so would not be adversely 
affecting the garden's financial situation. Appreciate any feedback; the 
committee has a meeting tomorrow(Thuirsday) night.

Jude Carson
Saint John, Canada

Re: [cg] Korean Vegetable/Herb [shi do/ Zi su]

2004-10-06 Thread Pat_Elazar

is this the stuff?
http://www.evergreenseeds.com/evergreenseeds/perjapshis.html




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Re: [cg] advice please re paying a stipend to a gardener

2004-10-06 Thread Jack Hale
There is a big difference between recognizing people who do work above and 
beyond the call of duty for the benefit of all and paying people to do work.  
The former can be inspiring and heartwarming.  The latter can lead people to 
think that they need not work unless they get paid.  If you pay the guy who 
does the bulk of the work, you encourage the kind of entrenched leadership 
which was the subject of an exchange of emails a couple of weeks ago.  My 
opinion would be to offer all kinds of recognition and praise and maybe a 
flashy gift, but do everything you can to avoid having it look like you are 
compensating him for the work he is doing.  If you are going to compensate 
people for work, you should let people know that you intend to do that and then 
allow people to apply for the job.

Jack N. Hale
Executive Director
Knox Parks Foundation
75 Laurel Street
Hartford, CT 06106
860/951-7694 x11
f860/951-7244



-Original Message-
From: Jude Carson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10/06/2004 02:55 PM


Our garden has 100 plots and most of the people who garden go about their own 
business and do not help with communal jobs. This is despite people agreeing to 
help, signing up, etc. We have one gardener who has done most of the important 
routine tasks, like setting up and maintaining our water system, mowing common 
paths and areas, and dealing with any labour-intensive issue that arises. We 
would be lost without him but feel he is being taken for granted. Here's where 
the advice is needed: we would like to pay him a stipend, honorarium, whatever 
you want to call it, of maybe a couple of hundred dollars per season that he 
does this work. He knows nothing about this idea. The money's not a lot but at 
least it would recognise his importance to the continuance of the garden. We 
also have a significant amount in our budget so would not be adversely 
affecting the garden's financial situation. Appreciate any feedback; the 
committee has a meeting tomorrow(Thuirsday) night.
 
Jude Carson
Saint John, Canada

Re: [cg] advice please re paying a stipend to a gardener

2004-10-06 Thread Grow19
I'd agree that paying someone for such volunteer work should be a last resort 
after examining lots of alternatives and getting advise on re-engaging the 
garden members.  In the long run, requiring people to do their part may be a 
bit 
hard, but a good waiting list will take care of this problem.  
Judy Tiger, Washington DC


Re: [cg] advice please re paying a stipend to a gardener

2004-10-06 Thread Jude Carson
Thanks for the advice so far, and I think you are seeing that we are not 
comfortable with getting into a position that we pay someone for a volunteer 
position. Per haps we should go with a generous gist certificate, which we have 
done in the past. Really appreciate the input. Cheers from
New Brunswick, Canada
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  I'd agree that paying someone for such volunteer work should be a last resort 
after examining lots of alternatives and getting advise on re-engaging the 
garden members.  In the long run, requiring people to do their part may be a 
bit hard, but a good waiting list will take care of this problem.  
  Judy Tiger, Washington DC