Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS
If needed I can also offer an account on a server with space, webserver and an account for you to manage the CGOS server, but I don't have the time to manage it myself. Contact me if needed. Tom On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 02:31:54PM -0400, Don Dailey wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't think this requires a great deal of bandwidth. Right now cgos > 9x9 is getting by with 1 GIG of disk space and it's not enough - so even > 2-5 Gig would be adequate.I have run the server from my home cable > modem connection and no problem whatsoever. > > It doesn't matter where the web server is as long as the CGOS server can > write the data directly to a disk somewhere. I suppose it could even > write via a networked file system - perhaps something like FUSE mounted > via ssh (ssh filesystem) > > However, I might have a solution now. I'm talking right now to David > Doshay about using one his university machines for this. > > Can I get back to you on this in case it doesn't work out? > > - - Don -- Thomas Lavergne "Le vrai rêveur est celui qui rêve de l'impossible." (Elsa Triolet) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://reveurs.org ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Mertin's private 9×9 & 19×19 tournam ent
Hi Stefan and all, > I really want to ask Eric van der Werf, if I could get a copy of > his > program steenvreter, which won gold in Amsterdam 2007.> Do you have some > contact with him > or with some other programmers in the Netherlands? No, not directly. I suspect they are reading this conversation, so they could reply. Or you can send them email to their adress of this mailing list... > Yes, I have thought exactly of this and want to do it if I can find the time> > I need - unfortunately I am not a programmer yet - Peter Woitke did make > every> programming work I asked him for my tournaments! But he is very busy > working> on Suzie now. Oh, I thought that the work on Suzie had stopped after Chrilly discontinued the work for it... > So I want to try these things myself - I am quite sure I would find> all the > help I would need here or on other forum+mailing lists - so it is really > > only a question of time ...> > BtW. Hiroshi Yamashita seems to have realized > exactly what we just> think of - interesting coincidence! See the games > CrazyStone vs. KCC Igo > discussed here in the list. Yes, I noticed the other discussions. Make me wonder why the others seems not interested in asking you to make for instance the CGOS 19x19 pool more interesting by creating a continuous pool of (rotating) contenders. A time ago when I tried to connect to 19x19 it was already shut down, because the lack of interest. I think there always will be times when interest is low, while at other times more programs will be present. The 19x19 interest will increase more and more over the next year or so I think when more MC programs will enter the 19x19 "arena". > > Today nearly every program has efficient scalability with time,> so I have > > to set a time limit but I don´t want to test things like time-management!> > > My purpose ever was to test the playing strength and nothing else.> If a > > program crashes while playing, the game will be repeated and if possible> > > even continued exactly at the point where it was left. > I report bugs and > > everything that goes wrong but I am not testing > functionality and > > stability.> > So I think I will set the time as one descripting part of the > > playing engine> comparable to the number of the version of the program. > > > E.g. there could be one engine MoGo(10min/game) > and another engine > > MoGo(30min/game)!> > And firstGo, how strong do you think it is by now on > > 9x9 and on 19x19? I only worked on 19x19 this year. Yesterday I tried 9x9 on CGOS again, but my bug detectors were alarming for this size, so I had to stop it again (debugging needed). Last version did about Elo=2020 For 19x19 it's 8k on KGS now. I am always running on a slow one processor machine. I do not have a multicore yet, so I did not program anything for multicore. How will you cope with multicore usage in your tournament? I noticed other programs to be about 8 times faster on a 4 core, so my program could be about 5k on KGS, if I could use such a multicore machine (and programmed my software to use it). (On CGOS with 9x9 this could mean an Elo of about 2300 on a 4 core machine). Edward _ Nooit meer offline met Windows Live Messenger op je mobiele telefoon http://www.getlivemobile.nl/___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't think this requires a great deal of bandwidth. Right now cgos 9x9 is getting by with 1 GIG of disk space and it's not enough - so even 2-5 Gig would be adequate.I have run the server from my home cable modem connection and no problem whatsoever. It doesn't matter where the web server is as long as the CGOS server can write the data directly to a disk somewhere. I suppose it could even write via a networked file system - perhaps something like FUSE mounted via ssh (ssh filesystem) However, I might have a solution now. I'm talking right now to David Doshay about using one his university machines for this. Can I get back to you on this in case it doesn't work out? - - Don Joshua Shriver wrote: > What kind of bandwidth would be required and can the webserver be > different from the cgos host? If anything I can dedicated free > webspace, subdomain, whatever. > > -Josh > > On 10/13/07, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are having some trouble getting 19x19 CGOS running on a volunteered > machine as there is no administration privileges on that machine. > > So we still need a volunteer who will host a machine (and hopefully > administer it as well.) > > > What we need: > > 1. A linux machine on a reliable network. > 2. Exposed directly to the internet. > 3. A working web server. > 4. Ability to make a port available for the socket. > > > If you can give me an account on this machine I can adminster and set it > up, but if YOU want to administer it, that is even better. > > > - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ >> > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEQ8aDsOllbwnSikRAvp2AJ4zl+t9OqBExb0XVRwqkAsPVh0XBQCfZT1i DYryzp193k+v3E7XpfI2Qok= =C+m3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS
What kind of bandwidth would be required and can the webserver be different from the cgos host? If anything I can dedicated free webspace, subdomain, whatever. -Josh On 10/13/07, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > We are having some trouble getting 19x19 CGOS running on a volunteered > machine as there is no administration privileges on that machine. > > So we still need a volunteer who will host a machine (and hopefully > administer it as well.) > > > What we need: > > 1. A linux machine on a reliable network. > 2. Exposed directly to the internet. > 3. A working web server. > 4. Ability to make a port available for the socket. > > > If you can give me an account on this machine I can adminster and set it > up, but if YOU want to administer it, that is even better. > > > - - Don > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHEOaTDsOllbwnSikRAk+EAJ44SynZdLq1aTd/R4Mte9FfC91K+gCfdh6c > ZO86h1t17yj/fXgY0faOXPE= > =T5f0 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Mertin's private 9×9 & 19×1 9 tournament
On 13, Oct 2007, at 6:45 AM, Stefan Mertin wrote: Yes here is one of my aims, my goal would be to create an overview of all the programs available or having participated in other tournaments. Hi Stefan, What would you do about machines with different hardware requirements? We sent email a few years ago about SlugGo, and at that time there was nothing you could do about having it compete because of its multi-Mac needs. Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: Former Deep Blue Research working on Go
Not only is it interesting to know what the strongest engine is, but also what the strongest opener is, the strongest middle-gamer, and the strongest finisher. It seems like a general consensus that UCT makes for a strong finisher. On 10/13/07, Harri Salakoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Considering how monte carlo actually works, I think it's plausible > > to argue that it works best where the distance to endgame is small. > Is it then natural use it only after middle game. > Build fuseki-joseki-extend scripted engine and change for monte-carlo engine > in middle game? > > t. harri > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Re: Former Deep Blue Research working on Go
Considering how monte carlo actually works, I think it's plausible to argue that it works best where the distance to endgame is small. Is it then natural use it only after middle game. Build fuseki-joseki-extend scripted engine and change for monte-carlo engine in middle game? t. harri ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] 19x19 CGOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We are having some trouble getting 19x19 CGOS running on a volunteered machine as there is no administration privileges on that machine. So we still need a volunteer who will host a machine (and hopefully administer it as well.) What we need: 1. A linux machine on a reliable network. 2. Exposed directly to the internet. 3. A working web server. 4. Ability to make a port available for the socket. If you can give me an account on this machine I can adminster and set it up, but if YOU want to administer it, that is even better. - - Don -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEOaTDsOllbwnSikRAk+EAJ44SynZdLq1aTd/R4Mte9FfC91K+gCfdh6c ZO86h1t17yj/fXgY0faOXPE= =T5f0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Mertin's private 9×9 & 19×19 tournament
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 15:45 +0200, Stefan Mertin wrote: > Today nearly every program has efficient scalability with time, > so I have to set a time limit but I don´t want to test things like > time-management! > My purpose ever was to test the playing strength and nothing else. > If a program crashes while playing, the game will be repeated and if possible > even continued exactly at the point where it was left. > I report bugs and everything that goes wrong but I am not testing > functionality and stability. I believe that pondering is also more popular today. How the opponent uses their time can affect bot performance as well. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Mertin's p rivate 9×9 & 19×19 tournament
> Edward de Grijs hotmail.com> writes > > Hi Stefan, > thanks for your reply. > Now I understand what you have done, it is a lot of work. > A few remarks: > I find it interesting that you are using such a broad range of programs. > Many of them are not present on CGOS. Yes here is one of my aims, my goal would be to create an overview of all the programs available or having participated in other tournaments. I was happy, that Remi Coulom did make publicly available his version of CrazyStone that won Gold in Turin 2005 and as soon as my first new results will be published, I really want to ask Eric van der Werf, if I could get a copy of his program steenvreter, which won gold in Amsterdam 2007. Do you have some contact with him or with some other programmers in the Netherlands? > Now you are stating that you have an universal interface by which you > can interface the program directly to any other program. > Did you though about creating an interface from every program to GTP > (if necessary) and running the games against the pool on CGOS? > By rotating the different programs it would be possible to get a rating > for each program on CGOS, which includes the newest programs by > default. This sounds interesting for me. Yes, I have tgought exactly of this and want to do it if I can find the time I need - unfortunately I am not a programmer yet - Peter Woitke did make every programming work I asked him for my tournaments! But he is very busy working on Suzie now. So I want to try these things myself - I am quite sure I would find all the help I would need here or on other forum+mailing lists - so it is really only a question of time ... BtW. Hiroshi Yamashita seems to have realized exactly what we just think of - interesting coincidence! See the games CrazyStone vs. KCC Igo discussed here in the list. > The new Monte Carlo programs are almost all using chinese rules only, > while I have read that you are japanese rules. How do you cope with > this now? Oh yes, I think I still prefer japanese rules even they are often tricky, unclear and not really suited for computers but I like very much computer programs acting like humans would do... But this is not very important as I don´t need fixed rules for my tournament. Just two programs that play against each other have to consent on which rules are applied. So I perhaps would have to avoid a pairing between a program that only plays chinese rules like some MC-programs do and one that only plays japanese rules like some older programs. But if possible I would try to never exlude any program from participation only of cause of the rules. A problem very much more important is the time used! Only 1 year ago, I could let nearly every program play with as much time as it was able to take. GnuGo 3.2 was the first one I could show being very much stronger with more time. In my 13x13 tournament I first tried to let play version 3.2 on level 10 like the version 3.0 had played and the result was nearly the same as with the older version. But then playing on level 15 GnuGo 3.2 was so much stronger that it could take third place in the whole tournament! Today nearly every program has efficient scalability with time, so I have to set a time limit but I don´t want to test things like time-management! My purpose ever was to test the playing strength and nothing else. If a program crashes while playing, the game will be repeated and if possible even continued exactly at the point where it was left. I report bugs and everything that goes wrong but I am not testing functionality and stability. So I think I will set the time as one descripting part of the playing engine comparable to the number of the version of the program. E.g. there could be one engine MoGo(10min/game) and another engine MoGo(30min/game)! And firstGo, how strong do you think it is by now on 9x9 and on 19x19? > Success, > Edward. THANKS! Thanks a lot for every suggestion or comment! Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] CGOS is down (I think)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's back up now. - - Don Urban Hafner wrote: > Hej all, > > seems like CGOS is down again. Could you have a look Don? > > Thanks, > > Urban > > > > > > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEMBdDsOllbwnSikRAmxtAKDln3XQKPhETn83LFKYWPLtvlBxzgCgh7Mk PHvo9MfjWAR0ohzRsfVXN9Y= =j8bm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go
Absolutelu _great_ link, raises my go rank I hope. thanks. Do they exist? I have watched many hilarious youtube stuff, but no clue to search go stuff, great. t. harri - Original Message - From: "Chris Fant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "computer-go" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Former Deep Blue Research working on Go How do I find the ones narrated in English? Do they exist? The closest I could find was this one which is almost unwatchable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uArhCnJu7LM On 10/12/07, Ray Tayek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 07:36 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote: >Chris Fant wrote: > > Ho can I find Go vids on youtube? Searching for "go" obviously > does nothing. > > > > >Atari was also a good keyword here. There it is: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE searching for: go baduk weiqi returns a bunch. --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] CGOS is down (I think)
Hej all, seems like CGOS is down again. Could you have a look Don? Thanks, Urban PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
