Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8
on stderr. Now my question is if there's a way to do that for games that are being played on CGOS or KGS. I'm wondering if this is possible with just GoGui and the tools it provides. After all you can pass gogui-twogtp as the program to GoGui and observe a game played by two bots. Is there maybe a possible combination of GoGui commands to have GoGui somehow in the middle between the CGOS/KGS client and the bot? That way I imagine the commands on stderr could be displayed in GoGui while the other stuff passes right through to the client. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/36ed7322/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:08:04 +0100 From: Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: CAHmXpNk=qMi_cF0EvfXgVz67+NtqGX_wJ4w8o= 8qwzkx+xs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/40484f63/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:35:43 +0100 From: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: cakkggrn5p-nzeitevznbaji-tpxb+biyfcxv2rgrhxri-u6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:55:23 +0100 From: Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: CAHmXpNmeOw9Y6ZXB= uwmqnaz_6jopysc_xfardubo4snb_j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Erik! Yes, that will work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Thanks Petr, I'm now running AmiGoGtp on CGOS, too. I think that's enough bots on my machine for now. Hopefully, the bot will be strong enough soon enough to make that work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Hi! On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. What about libego? That used to be a pretty basic MCTS. Or you could try running a super-weak Pachi: Pachi can be used as a test opponent for development of other go-playing programs. For example, to get the plainest UCT player, use: ./pachi -t =5000 policy=ucb1,playout=light,prior=eqex=0,dynkomi=none,pondering=0,pass_all_alive (see Experiments and Testing section in README for more details) This is plain UCT with light playouts and no move priors. If you just implemented the basic algorithms, your program should be equal or better than this. (Of course you can then gradually enable some pieces, or even just some of the priors/playout heuristics. I'd recommend implementing, in the order of priority, captures and 3x3 patterns in playouts, priors for the same in the tree, and RAVE. Don't bother tuning things too much before having RAVE as that is a big game-changer; but it probably won't work well without at least the playout heuristics I mentioned.) -- Petr Baudis If you do not work on an important problem, it's unlikely you'll do important work. -- R. Hamming http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. myCtest-xxk is a pure random player. myCtest-xxk-UCT adds a tree, nothing else. Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
On Mar 9, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Christoph Birk b...@obs.carnegiescience.edu wrote: On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. myCtest-xxk is a pure random player. I meant to write pure MC player. myCtest-xxk-UCT adds a tree, nothing else. Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hi, I would like to ask the owner of 'resign13' to stop it, please. I'm running 'resign13'. I think it's elo is -407, not zero. http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/cross/resign13.html Standing list shows zero. but I think it is maybe not correct. http://cgos.boardspace.net/13x13/standings.html I stopped it. The reason I run is to save cpu power. I'm running anchor Gnugo-3.7.10-a1. If someone could run anchor, please mail me. If there is few bots on CGOS 13x13 again, I'll put it again. Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. `Stop' is definately between brown and maybe a tiny bit better than that. http://www.vanheusden.com/stop/ I'll see if I can connecct it to the 13x13 server. Folkert van Heusden -- You've probably gotten really fed up with never winning in the Mega- Millions lottery. Well, weep no longer: www.smartwinning.info tells you everything that might help you deciding what numbers to choose. With nice graphs and pretty animations! ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
I would like to ask the owner of 'resign13' to stop it, please. Since the rating algorithm appears to be capped at '0' Elo, 'resign13' is skewing the ratings at the lower end. Thanks, Christoph ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] Imago - Go board optical recognition
... and again... - Pisa's organizers agreed on letting us take pictures (or movies, we'll decide later) of some games. One of the players will also contribute (he wants to take the pictures himself); others will probably join later on. Pisa was a success. At least, it was on the software side; not so much on the hardware's. The first game, my colleague took pictures with his camera, and everything went allright - the reconstruction was completed in a matter of few minutes. The second game, I also took pictures with my camera, but one of the players kept bumping the table and even my tripod, creating so many errors it required about twenty minutes to complete the reconstruction - we'll discard this game. The third game, we recorded a video with an Ipad mounted on a tripod: everything went right and we'll proceed with the reconstruction as soon as we'll have enough frames extracted. The fourth game, we tried a new program, PhotoClock, capable of taking a picture each time one of the players pressed the keyboard (it worked as a clock): that proved uneffective, as the players' arms were present in each picture (the contrary of what we hoped), and we'll have to try again with a pair of mouses instead. In the whole, we're very satisfied. The paper will be ready at the end of the week, but without a LaTeX template or at least the number of chars per page we won't be able to redact it. We hope the problem will be solved soon! mr. Andrea Carta ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Observing a game in GoGui that's running on KGS/CGOS
Yes, that it! Thank you, Rémi. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr wrote: gogui-display: http://gogui.sourceforge.net/doc/reference-display.html On 03/08/2015 10:04 AM, Urban Hafner wrote: Hey everyone, I'd like to display some statistics from my bot as an overlay for the current board. Using live graphics on GoGui is probably the easiest way to do it. I just need to run the bot in GoGui and emit the proper commands on stderr. Now my question is if there's a way to do that for games that are being played on CGOS or KGS. I'm wondering if this is possible with just GoGui and the tools it provides. After all you can pass gogui-twogtp as the program to GoGui and observe a game played by two bots. Is there maybe a possible combination of GoGui commands to have GoGui somehow in the middle between the CGOS/KGS client and the bot? That way I imagine the commands on stderr could be displayed in GoGui while the other stuff passes right through to the client. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Thanks Erik! Yes, that will work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Hi! On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Urban Hafner wrote: I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. What about libego? That used to be a pretty basic MCTS. Or you could try running a super-weak Pachi: Pachi can be used as a test opponent for development of other go-playing programs. For example, to get the plainest UCT player, use: ./pachi -t =5000 policy=ucb1,playout=light,prior=eqex=0,dynkomi=none,pondering=0,pass_all_alive (see Experiments and Testing section in README for more details) This is plain UCT with light playouts and no move priors. If you just implemented the basic algorithms, your program should be equal or better than this. (Of course you can then gradually enable some pieces, or even just some of the priors/playout heuristics. I'd recommend implementing, in the order of priority, captures and 3x3 patterns in playouts, priors for the same in the tree, and RAVE. Don't bother tuning things too much before having RAVE as that is a big game-changer; but it probably won't work well without at least the playout heuristics I mentioned.) -- Petr Baudis If you do not work on an important problem, it's unlikely you'll do important work. -- R. Hamming http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 62, Issue 8
and observe a game played by two bots. Is there maybe a possible combination of GoGui commands to have GoGui somehow in the middle between the CGOS/KGS client and the bot? That way I imagine the commands on stderr could be displayed in GoGui while the other stuff passes right through to the client. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/36ed7322/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:08:04 +0100 From: Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: CAHmXpNk=qMi_cF0EvfXgVz67+NtqGX_wJ4w8o=8qwzkx+xs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/attachments/20150309/40484f63/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:35:43 +0100 From: Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: cakkggrn5p-nzeitevznbaji-tpxb+biyfcxv2rgrhxri-u6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:55:23 +0100 From: Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS Message-ID: CAHmXpNmeOw9Y6ZXB=uwmqnaz_6jopysc_xfardubo4snb_j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Erik! Yes, that will work. Urban On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ -- next part
Re: [Computer-go] Weak bots to run on CGOS
Perhaps AmiGo http://amigogtp.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Urban Hafner cont...@urbanhafner.com wrote: Hey everyone, I'm currently running Brown (random bot) and GnuGo on CGOS 13x13. Mainly to get a feel for the strength of my own bot. And my bot is really bad. ;) So bad that it looses all games against GnuGo, but wins all games against Brown. So, the rating is a bit useless I assume as there are no bots that are in strength between GnuGo and the random player. Are there any bots in that range out there? I'd be willing to run them myself on CGOS. Urban -- Blog: http://bettong.net/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ujh Homepage: http://www.urbanhafner.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
