Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
Nick, I am hoping that I can join this at some point, at the lower end of the field to start with :) Is it possible to set a bar at these tournaments? In human McMahon tournaments, that very successfully allows a top tier of competition while guaranteeing at least some fun for everybody else. Christian Nick Wedd wrote: In message 8cbb1200f1dffd9-cbc-...@mblk-m02.sysops.aol.com, dhillism...@netscape.net writes One factor is that there seems to be a narrow range between too few entrants and too many. For any given contest, the potential pool includes an elite few who have a chance at first place and maybe a couple who have a new or newly improved bot. There is a larger group, back in the pack, whose last breakthrough was a while ago. For many of us in that last group, it would be easy enough to enter, but hard to know if that would help or hinder. My view is that more entrants, including weaker entrants, help. I used to encourage Aloril to enter his deliberately weak bots, not only to fill out the numbers, but to provide suitable opponents for first time entrants. I see a purpose of these events as providing a training ground for more significant events. Some programmers concentrate too much on trying to get the bot to play well, rather than on doing basic things right. A bot that plays badly but beats IdiotBot shouldn't be too hard to achieve - so if a bot plays well but loses to IdiotBot, it is doing something wrong which really ought to be fixed. Nick -- Christian Nentwich Director, Model Two Zero Ltd. +44-(0)7747-061302 http://www.modeltwozero.com ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
Congrats to stv. But I would prefer more, and would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. Nick What about a Rengo tournament? :) I don't know how feasible that would be, but it could be fun to have programs cope with someone else on their team. -- GMX FreeDSL mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.! http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-aktionspreis/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
Congratulations to Steenvreter, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with three more wins than its nearest rival! The results are now at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/47/index.html As usual, I look forward to your reports of the errors on that page. I will also welcome opinions and preferences about the format of such events in future. Attendances got low towards the end of last year, so I gave them up for a few months. The last two, in April and May, have each had six players, which I consider just about enough to make them worth running. But I would prefer more, and would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
SlugGo has not been participating because we had made no progress. I hope to have something by the end of summer. Cheers, David On 1, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Steenvreter, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with three more wins than its nearest rival! The results are now at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/47/index.html Thanks! As usual, I look forward to your reports of the errors on that page. Regarding the game between Fuego and Steenvreter in round 7. As far as I can see White 42 (marked in your diagram) was a blunder by Fuego (it has to capture at d1 to win the capturing race). Unfortunately Steenvreter did not understand the position either (it should have taken a liberty at e4 instead of capturing the marked stone). I will also welcome opinions and preferences about the format of such events in future. Attendances got low towards the end of last year, so I gave them up for a few months. The last two, in April and May, have each had six players, which I consider just about enough to make them worth running. But I would prefer more, and would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. I like events with many (fast) rounds such as the one yesterday. Erik ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
One factor is that there seems to be a narrow range between too few entrants and too many. For any given contest, the potential pool includes an elite few who have a chance at first place and maybe a couple who have a new or newly improved bot. There is?a larger group, back in the pack,?whose last breakthrough was a while ago. For many of us in that last group, it would be easy enough to enter, but hard to know if that would help or hinder. - Dave Hillis -Original Message- From: David Doshay ddos...@mac.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter! SlugGo has not been participating because we had made no progress.? I hope to have something by the end of summer.? ? Cheers,? David? ? ? On 1, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, Nick Wedd wrote:? ? would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants.? ? ___? computer-go mailing list? computer...@computer-go.org? http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/? ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
contests are never hindered by weak opponents, in my opinion. the more the merrier the better of course! s. 2009/6/1 dhillism...@netscape.net: One factor is that there seems to be a narrow range between too few entrants and too many. For any given contest, the potential pool includes an elite few who have a chance at first place and maybe a couple who have a new or newly improved bot. There is a larger group, back in the pack, whose last breakthrough was a while ago. For many of us in that last group, it would be easy enough to enter, but hard to know if that would help or hinder. - Dave Hillis -Original Message- From: David Doshay ddos...@mac.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter! SlugGo has not been participating because we had made no progress. I hope to have something by the end of summer. Cheers, David On 1, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com wrote: I will also welcome opinions and preferences about the format of such events in future. Attendances got low towards the end of last year, so I gave them up for a few months. The last two, in April and May, have each had six players, which I consider just about enough to make them worth running. But I would prefer more, and would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. I like events with many (fast) rounds such as the one yesterday. Me too. It's much more fun to watch. I'd also hope for more warning time so I can ensure my bot is ready. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
In the past, I've entered bots and indicated that I would not be offended if my bot was removed. Don has made use of such offers from Aloril in the past. Maybe you could make a similar offer? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:33 PM, dhillism...@netscape.net wrote: One factor is that there seems to be a narrow range between too few entrants and too many. For any given contest, the potential pool includes an elite few who have a chance at first place and maybe a couple who have a new or newly improved bot. There is a larger group, back in the pack, whose last breakthrough was a while ago. For many of us in that last group, it would be easy enough to enter, but hard to know if that would help or hinder. - Dave Hillis -Original Message- From: David Doshay ddos...@mac.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter! SlugGo has not been participating because we had made no progress. I hope to have something by the end of summer. Cheers, David On 1, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
In message 8cbb1200f1dffd9-cbc-...@mblk-m02.sysops.aol.com, dhillism...@netscape.net writes One factor is that there seems to be a narrow range between too few entrants and too many. For any given contest, the potential pool includes an elite few who have a chance at first place and maybe a couple who have a new or newly improved bot. There is a larger group, back in the pack, whose last breakthrough was a while ago. For many of us in that last group, it would be easy enough to enter, but hard to know if that would help or hinder. My view is that more entrants, including weaker entrants, help. I used to encourage Aloril to enter his deliberately weak bots, not only to fill out the numbers, but to provide suitable opponents for first time entrants. I see a purpose of these events as providing a training ground for more significant events. Some programmers concentrate too much on trying to get the bot to play well, rather than on doing basic things right. A bot that plays badly but beats IdiotBot shouldn't be too hard to achieve - so if a bot plays well but loses to IdiotBot, it is doing something wrong which really ought to be fixed. Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!
I planned to enter this one, but I was busy, then overslept and it was already going when I got to my computer. I prefer full size boards, since that's a more difficult problem, and games at 19x19 give me more to work with. Short time limits are fine. Perhaps 19x19 with 15 or 20 minutes each? After all, that's a good time limit for games against people. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Nick Wedd Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:40 PM To: computer-go Subject: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter! Congratulations to Steenvreter, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with three more wins than its nearest rival! The results are now at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/47/index.html As usual, I look forward to your reports of the errors on that page. I will also welcome opinions and preferences about the format of such events in future. Attendances got low towards the end of last year, so I gave them up for a few months. The last two, in April and May, have each had six players, which I consider just about enough to make them worth running. But I would prefer more, and would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
