Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
In message 4b19af5b.462%hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp, Hideki Kato hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp writes Nick Wedd: 5earkjc29mflf...@maproom.demon.co.uk: Many thanks to Hideki Kato for providing the results of the UEC Cup. For those who cannot read Japanese, this is invaluable. I wonder if anyone knows what happened in the GPW Cup, played in Hakone two weeks earlier? Thank you very much and please forgive me, the lazy director of GPW Cup :). Thank you! I have added the information to http://www.computer-go.info/events/index.html Nick Name: The 3rd GPW Cup 9 x 9 Computer Go Tournament Date: 13th and 14th November, 2009 Place: Hakone, Japan Boardsize: 9 Rules: Chinese rules (area scoring) Komi: 7.0 Ko:Simple ko Time: 15 minutes sudden death Type: Round robin Participants: 1 person (Muramatsu) and 10 programs Countries: Taiwan (Coldmilk) and Japan Results: Rank NameAuthor Score* 1 Zen Yamato 18 2 Aya Hiroshi Yamashita 17 3 ColdmilkS-J. Yen, C-W. Chou (NDHU) 16 4 Muramatsu Masakazu Muramatsu (UEC)14 4 nomitan Team nomitan (JAIST)14 6 PerStoneSatohiro Kadowaki (UEC) 8 7 RockNatsuki Iwakawa (UEC) 7 7 CascadesTomofumi Otsuki 7 9 leeGO2 Team Kyutech (Kyutech) 4 10 Kasumi Kazuko Manabe (UEC) 3 11 Katsunari Shinich Sei 2 *Win 2, draw 1, lose 0 points for each game. Katsunari used alpha-beta search and the others used MCTS. NDHU: National Dong Hwa University (Taiwan) UEC: The University of Electro-Communications Kyutech: Kyushu Institute of Technology Game records (49 of 55): http://www.gggo.jp/publications/gpw2009/record.zip Pictures will be available soon. Random comments: Zen lost one game with nomitan in round 9. Aya had a draw with leeGO2 in round 3 due to a wrong komi setting and lost shared win. Prof. Muramatsu, a strong amateur player, lost three games with the top three programs, Zen, Aya and Coldmilk. Regards, Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Rank NameAuthor Score* ... 11Katsunari Shinich Sei 2 Katsunari used alpha-beta search and the others used MCTS. Katsunari came second at the UEC cup, but last at GPW Cup. I know there was some grumbling over the seeding at the UEC Cup but that is still quite a difference. Did it have technical problems at Hakone? Darren -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer http://dcook.org/gobet/ (Shodan Go Bet - who will win?) http://dcook.org/mlsn/ (Multilingual open source semantic network) http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Darren Cook: 4b1af9bd.3020...@dcook.org: Rank NameAuthor Score* ... 11 Katsunari Shinich Sei 2 Katsunari used alpha-beta search and the others used MCTS. Katsunari came second at the UEC cup, but last at GPW Cup. I know there was some grumbling over the seeding at the UEC Cup but that is still quite a difference. Did it have technical problems at Hakone? Not at all. I guess Katsunari is still competitive on 19 x 19 but not on 9 x 9. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Nick Wedd: 5earkjc29mflf...@maproom.demon.co.uk: Many thanks to Hideki Kato for providing the results of the UEC Cup. For those who cannot read Japanese, this is invaluable. I wonder if anyone knows what happened in the GPW Cup, played in Hakone two weeks earlier? Thank you very much and please forgive me, the lazy director of GPW Cup :). Name: The 3rd GPW Cup 9 x 9 Computer Go Tournament Date: 13th and 14th November, 2009 Place: Hakone, Japan Boardsize: 9 Rules: Chinese rules (area scoring) Komi: 7.0 Ko: Simple ko Time: 15 minutes sudden death Type: Round robin Participants: 1 person (Muramatsu) and 10 programs Countries: Taiwan (Coldmilk) and Japan Results: RankNameAuthor Score* 1 Zen Yamato 18 2 Aya Hiroshi Yamashita 17 3 ColdmilkS-J. Yen, C-W. Chou (NDHU) 16 4 Muramatsu Masakazu Muramatsu (UEC)14 4 nomitan Team nomitan (JAIST)14 6 PerStoneSatohiro Kadowaki (UEC) 8 7 RockNatsuki Iwakawa (UEC) 7 7 CascadesTomofumi Otsuki 7 9 leeGO2 Team Kyutech (Kyutech) 4 10 Kasumi Kazuko Manabe (UEC) 3 11 Katsunari Shinich Sei 2 *Win 2, draw 1, lose 0 points for each game. Katsunari used alpha-beta search and the others used MCTS. NDHU: National Dong Hwa University (Taiwan) UEC: The University of Electro-Communications Kyutech: Kyushu Institute of Technology Game records (49 of 55): http://www.gggo.jp/publications/gpw2009/record.zip Pictures will be available soon. Random comments: Zen lost one game with nomitan in round 9. Aya had a draw with leeGO2 in round 3 due to a wrong komi setting and lost shared win. Prof. Muramatsu, a strong amateur player, lost three games with the top three programs, Zen, Aya and Coldmilk. Regards, Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Many thanks to Hideki Kato for providing the results of the UEC Cup. For those who cannot read Japanese, this is invaluable. I wonder if anyone knows what happened in the GPW Cup, played in Hakone two weeks earlier? Nick -- Nick Weddn...@maproom.co.uk ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
What happened exactly? a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules ? It sounds like a contradiction. (if it is legal it is no violation and if it is a violation it is not legal) Are the games published? On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de wrote: Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. The most devastating indictment against japanese rules I've seen so far. Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Willemien: db9a9ab30912010218g51054604l17ccf4626c162...@mail.gmail.com: What happened exactly? a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules ? Yes. Jpanese rules inhibit just a simple ko. If a move is not a ko but a superko move, that move is legal under Japanese rules. It sounds like a contradiction. (if it is legal it is no violation and if it is a violation it is not legal) The opponent played not a ko but a superko move and CS denied the move. Are the games published? Soon. Hideki On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de wrote: Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. The most devastating indictment against japanese rules I've seen so far. Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
I guess your right. It's just that the innocent side losing on the spot rubs it in. Accepting any move surely has to be a bot vs.bot mode. Against a human opponent the bot can't very well accept suicide or immediate ko takeback. Stefan - Original Message - From: Mark Boon tesujisoftw...@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup Well, I suppose this is a lesson that every computer-Go programmer learns one day or another: always have a way to accept any move, no matter whether your bot thinks it's legal or not. I don't see how this is an indictment, the rules are what they are. For every player. It's not as if this was a little-known issue with Japanese rules. Mark On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de wrote: Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. The most devastating indictment against japanese rules I've seen so far. Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. The most devastating indictment against japanese rules I've seen so far. Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Well, I suppose this is a lesson that every computer-Go programmer learns one day or another: always have a way to accept any move, no matter whether your bot thinks it's legal or not. I don't see how this is an indictment, the rules are what they are. For every player. It's not as if this was a little-known issue with Japanese rules. Mark On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Stefan Kaitschick stefan.kaitsch...@hamburg.de wrote: Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. The most devastating indictment against japanese rules I've seen so far. Stefan ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Official results of the second day: KCC Igo 1 Katsunari 2 Zen 3 Shikosakugo 4 Many Faces of Go5 Erica 6 Kiseki 7 Galileo 8 Crazy Stone 9 Aya 10 GOGATAKI11 Rock12 Nomitan 13 Kinoa Igo 14 boon15 Kerberos16 Japanese rusults are at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/result2.html and English version will available soon. Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. Katsunari was the second strongest in the same block as CS*, lost only the final match against KCC, and got second position. Zen lost the semi-final against KCC. The game was very close but Zen wrongly evaluated ko positions and resigned near the end (said 2.5 pt behind). Many Faces of Go (MFG) lost the second game of the tournament against KCC, won all other games, and got 5th. Aya lost the first game against KCC. * CS's block contained CS, Katsunari, Nomitan, Gogataki, Shikosakugo, Rock, Kiseki and Galileo. MFG's block contained MFG, Zen, KCC, Kinoa Igo, Erica, Aya, boon and Kerberos. Exhibition matches: (1) Zen (B) vs Kaori Aoba 4p with 6 stones handicap: Zen lead 10 to 30 points from the begining. All audience believed Zen would win but Zen lost a ko near the end so the game. (2) KCC (B) vs Cheng Ming Huang (Meiko Tei in Japanese) 9p with 6 stones handicap: White won the game with no trouble. Extra (unofficial) games: Zen and CS played an extra match in the lunch break and Zen won. Aya and MFG also had an extra match but the result is not in my hand now. Hardware info (part): KCC used an 8-core (16 threads) Xeon pc (MacPro, I guess) and a 4-core (8 threads) i7 PC (Dell). The operator knew almost nothing about the software architecture. Zen used 32 x 4 x 4 (512 total) cores. Crazy Stone and Many Faces of Go used 8-core loan pc. Erica used an 8-core pc. Katsunari (classical) used a laptop. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
