RE: [computer-go] Re: common lisp framework & frameworks in general

2007-11-21 Thread Ben Lambrechts 

> > Not so - Microsoft's .NET framework has both networking and GUI support.
> > The Mono provides a Linux implementation. In fact, with Silverlight (and
> > Moonlight, for Mono), the .NET framework can be used within a modern web
> > browser (very similar to Java and Flash combined).
> 
> It remains to be seen if Microsoft can be trusted to tolerate this
> for long.  As long as the core .NET is Microsoft's product and everyone
> else is just playing catchup, this is in doubt.

MS is releasing the source code of their .net framework.

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-
for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx

Of course they are imitating Sun with their source code release of the JDK,
but it is a step in the good direction.

Ben

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Re: [computer-go] Re: common lisp framework & frameworks in general

2007-11-21 Thread Benjamin Teuber 
Too bad this is true.
On the other hand, even Lisp is making progress in the field - SBCL
and maybe wxCL (wxWidgets for CL) might already be an option, though
it might be a bit of pain in the backside..

On Nov 21, 2007 11:42 PM, Dave Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Maybe we should really think of a project - doesn't have to be the one
> >I started (now I find most of it ugly..)
> >
> >Who'd be in?
>
> GUIs are the bane of all "framework" projects.  They're essential and
> wildly unstandardized, both across platforms and for different
> development environments, even on the same platform.  Common lisp
> is more afflicted to this than C.
>
> To a lesser extent, networking is also in the same category.
>
> The only methodology where both networking and GUIs are cross platform
> is Java.
>
> .. of course, if you're in the school that says "so what, Microsoft
> Windows and C is the only platform I care about", then not a problem.
>
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Re: [computer-go] Re: common lisp framework & frameworks in general

2007-11-21 Thread Phil Garcia 
- Original Message 
From: Dave Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The only methodology where both networking and GUIs are cross platform
> is Java.

Not so - Microsoft's .NET framework has both networking and GUI support. The 
Mono provides a Linux implementation. In fact, with Silverlight (and Moonlight, 
for Mono), the .NET framework can be used within a modern web browser (very 
similar to Java and Flash combined).
 
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