Re: [CGUYS] shredding services
how big a risk do you consider this to be? Alvin Auerbach wrote: Note that the shedding is not done in front of your eyes. They load your papers on a truck and take them away, so you're trusting all of the people who handle your papers. Judy Cosler next one is mid to late Sept community shred http://www.nbc4.com/sponsors/5340872/detail.html Thank you very much for this info. I'm actually a little surprised that some place like Staples or Kinko's don't have this, they have photo-copying, this would seem to be the other side of that. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I've never seen so damn many Indians. --G.A. Custer * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] shredding services
There is no way for me to evaluate the risk, as I know nothing about the people, machines, and procedures being used to accomplish the shredding and disposal. Since the whole idea of shredding is to keep others from viewing sensitive information, my preference is to not have that information placed in the hands of others before it is shredded. Of course I understand that many people have a different preference, based on the number of cars shown in the photographs of the event. My attitudes may be shaped from my experience working for the Navy. We personally shredded our classified documents. We did not give them to anyone else for shredding, even if they had a security clearance. The shredder was an advanced model which turned the paper into dust particles smaller than a period at the end of a sentence. how big a risk do you consider this to be? Alvin Auerbach wrote: Note that the shedding is not done in front of your eyes. They load your papers on a truck and take them away, so you're trusting all of the people who handle your papers. Judy Cosler next one is mid to late Sept community shred http://www.nbc4.com/sponsors/5340872/detail.html Thank you very much for this info. I'm actually a little surprised that some place like Staples or Kinko's don't have this, they have photo-copying, this would seem to be the other side of that. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I've never seen so damn many Indians. --G.A. Custer * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
At 12:51 PM -0500 7/26/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Apple stated how they accounted for the sales (270,000) and ATT stated how they accounted for the sales (146,000). Apple counted all it had shipped, and ATT counted all it had sold, not including any on order or in transit (I leave that for a discussion on accounting rules and how they are used.), plus there is the fudge factor of those who bought phones but did not activate as they were trying to reap a profit in the after market. ATT reported ACTIVATIONS of iPhones, NOT sales. Wired http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/apple-270k-ipho.html speculates that the discrepancy was caused by delays in activations as ATT's system was swamped, and also to people buying two iPhones, hoping to e-Bay the second for a profit. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] shredding services
Note that the shedding is not done in front of your eyes. They load your papers on a truck and take them away, so you're trusting all of the people who handle your papers. Judy Cosler next one is mid to late Sept community shred http://www.nbc4.com/sponsors/5340872/detail.html Thank you very much for this info. I'm actually a little surprised that some place like Staples or Kinko's don't have this, they have photo-copying, this would seem to be the other side of that. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I've never seen so damn many Indians. --G.A. Custer * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] LCD screen for photographer
I've seen several LCD's that require a fairly steep change in angle to make a difference in viewing. Besides, I thought CRT's were recommended to be changed out every 3-5 years, while LCD's have a longer lifespan. David Turk Photographer Indiana Historical Society 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rigby Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:06 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] LCD screen for photographer On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Color accurate LCDs pose many problems. I will not argue the CRT vs LCD debate. Suffice to say there are elements of a calibrated CRT that still can't be matched by any LCD - available - and there are also elements of LCD technology that exceed CRTs. We are improving things at a rapid pace. I expect within 2-3 years to be able to finally feel comfortable stating that we have an all around superior product in the LCD space. The viewing angle issue is going to have to be solved before LCD monitors can seriously compete with CRTs for accurate color, and brightness and contrast values. Two people simultaneously viewing a CRT monitor will pretty much see the same thing. Not so on an LCD. Get your image to look perfect on a CRT, and it will look the same every time. On an LCD, it will change if you move your head a couple of inches. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Backup App for PC
After many years of procrastination I have finally (with the help of Take Control of Mac Backups and SuperDuper!) installed a backup system for my two Macs. Question: My wife has a PC. Would someone recommend a simple, low- cost backup application comparable to SuperDuper! for the PC. TIA That is a very good book series (and cheap too!). These days I'm using Ghost. I bought a slightly older version on the 'net for about $30. It clones one drive to another quite nicely and fixes corrupt drives too. For file-level backups I've used SecondCopy 2000 to copy files to an external Firewire drive. It has a nice feature where it will keep an archive of files as they are updated. So you always have an up to date copy of your files, but can also go back to older versions if you have too. This is very useful in situations where you don't discover you have a problem until several backup cycles have passed. It is easy to set up, but can be a little overwhemling with all the options it offers. But the options let you set up almost any kind of backup style that you prefer. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] LCD screen for photographer
On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Tony B wrote: This was true maybe 3-5 years ago. But no longer. Go to any trade show - including graphics-oriented - and you'll find CRTs rare. On the rare occasions I want someone else to look at my monitor, I move a bit; no big deal. Certainly not worth hassling with a CRT. And I don't know where you get your CRTs, but after dealing with them for 50 years now I can agree with the NTSC moniker - Never Twice the Same Color. While a few select people may have some overwhelming need for some version of 'color accuracy' (whatever THAT is), most of us put that lofty concept way down on our list. A good *looking* picture is much more important. As well as weight and footprint. I shall suppose that you do not work in the graphics field, and that you also do not work in photography or photo restoration. As to the weight of a CRT, what is the big deal? Once it is in place, it is in place. Who needs to keep moving it? As to footprint, you do what you gotta do. I need a large format printer, so I can't let footprint stand in the way of that either. I have no complaints about my set up. BTW, I have two LCDs, but they just do not get it done for my color work that needs a higher degree of accuracy. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Offices focused on the tremendous advantage PCs had over Apple - purchase price on the hardware and the software. Apple was trying to master solutions; PC vendors were trying to offer lowest price combos of hardware and software from many different manufacturers. M$ Windows was their all-purpose, one size fits all glue to hold it all together. But that is all that purchasing departments looked at. Productivity did not impress the purchasing dept. PC manufacturers made more PCs. Apple's master solution configuration has been steadily improving in the interim while the price has become more competitive. Mark Snyder -Original Message- snip I was not dissing either, but I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have. Windows folks quite often appear to loathe the Mac as much as Mac users often appear want to avoid the Windows platform. So, to rephrase my original sentence, does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because purchasers of computers think the Macs are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because the Mac OS over the years has been perceived to be unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not zero in on the office and business environment primarily at the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined computer user. Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] LCD screen for photographer
I've seen several LCD's that require a fairly steep change in angle to make a difference in viewing. Besides, I thought CRT's were recommended to be changed out every 3-5 years, while LCD's have a longer lifespan. Maybe you should start by measuring your own visual acuity? It makes no sense to get a monitor that exceeds the specifications of its user. If you observe that it takes a fairly steep change in angle to make a difference in viewing then you probably don't need the same kind of monitor as a person who can detect changes of less than a deltaE. (1 DeltaE is the smallest difference an average person can detect.) A factory-fresh, $5000, Barco CRT would have a deltaE of under 1 over the entire surface of the screen. That is why it is expensive. At Tom's hardware I see that they do test the deltaE of many LCD monitors. For LCDs they claim that a deltaE under 2 is good: all but undetectable to the user. I know many people would not find that acceptable. Tom's also plots the image brightness over the screen surface. Some monitors they think are good have only 65% brightness at the edges (center = 100%). Now I wonder how a monitor with that kind of difference can be said to have a good deltaE. Having the brightness drop off by nearly a stop from center to edge ain't good in by book. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Tony B wrote: This is such a badly constructed sentence I can't be sure if you're dissing Apple or Windows. :) Okay. The sentence was not well put together. I was not dissing either, but I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have. Windows folks quite often appear to loathe the Mac as much as Mac users often appear want to avoid the Windows platform. So, to rephrase my original sentence, does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because purchasers of computers think the Macs are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because the Mac OS over the years has been perceived to be unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not zero in on the office and business environment primarily at the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined computer user. Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? I can assure you that there are as many, and probably many more Windows fanboys than there are Mac fanboys. I have been informed by numerous Windows users that they would never even consider buying a Mac. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? The answer has been well demonstrated in the courts. Have you already forgotten those famous words: Knife the baby. Just Google that phrase for a reminder. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] LCD screen for photographer
I tried that experiment with my NEC Diamondtron CRT, and I am able to see the gradations from 1 and then at every single increment above that. Many expensive monitors were souped up versions of the Diamondtron. I often told clients to buy the Diamondtron and make a hood by carving up its cardboard box and spray painting it gray. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
One of the salient links Tom refers to is to Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/microsoft/updates/up81105b.htm So, Gates often used plain old fashioned muscle building the M$ empire. Mark Snyder -Original Message- The answer has been well demonstrated in the courts. Have you already forgotten those famous words: Knife the baby. Just Google that phrase for a reminder. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Firefox f-up
Problem solved. I thought I had uninstalled the Gmarks Firefox add on, but noticed it still listed in Tools -- Add Ons. Once I disabled it there, the blank white area at the bottom of my browser disappeared. Before I figured that out, though, I tried uninstalling Firefox and downloading it anew. I tried that a couple times, but when the program started up, I could see it was the version I thought I¹d trashed. Just for reference, why couldn¹t I install a fresh copy of Firefox? Thanks. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Firefox f-up
On 7/27/07, Harvey Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I figured that out, though, I tried uninstalling Firefox and downloading it anew. I tried that a couple times, but when the program started up, I could see it was the version I thought I¹d trashed. Just for reference, why couldn¹t I install a fresh copy of Firefox? 1. How do you know it was the version you thought you trashed? 2. Weren't you installing the same version anyway (presumably the most recent, 2.0.0.5)? 3. You are probably confusing the profile or configuration with the software. You can change the Firefox software and keep the same profile, with the same plugins, bookmarks, history, etc. That's why Tom was trying to get you to run Firefox with a new profile, so you could see if it was a problem with your configuration / profile. As you say, all too often it is a plugin, or a large bookmarks file, or some configuration change that is recorded in prefs.js or user.js that messed you up. So creating a new profile will let you compare a vanilla setup with your regular one. In Linux, your Firefox profile is typically in a hidden directory. Unfortunately, some distributions put things in special locations, but if you are using the downloaded version, it will look in .mozilla/firefox/... So renaming .mozilla to .mozilla-old or the like will get your profile stuff out of the way and force Firefox to create a new one. This is my best guess, given your cryptic description. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
That doesn't matter much though because Apple makes money on hardware, not software. I'm sure they are very happy to sell macs that will primarily run windows. Mike On 7/26/07, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably those 'demanding' Macs are using them to run Windows, because hits on my site are holding steady at around 2%. Oddly, not too much more than are running Windows Longhorn (Windows Server 2008) (1.6%). It's got to be particularly galling to Mac fanboys that in order to gain any kind of market share Apple is having to phase out of the computer OS business. On 7/25/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Inc.'s fiscal third-quarter profit soared more than 73 percent, fueled by demand for its Macintosh computers, the strength of its iPod media players and the sales of 270,000 iPhones in the first two days on the market. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived