Re: [CGUYS] Wireless in the UK ?

2007-09-04 Thread Richard P.
I put this question out to relatives/friends in the UK and here is what 
came back:


BT is the main phone line supplier through whose equipment almost
all broadband services are run (some cable companies also run broadband, but
only cover a small percentage of the market by comparison).
BT Openzone would be the best way forward, but depends on his general
proximity to available hotspots. You essentially buy credit top ups for time
spent online.
As far as I know, there is no residential subscription wifi available as
such. However in certain areas BT have internet/wifi enabled phone boxes
which I guess you may be able to subscribe to the BT Openzone wifi package.
BT openzone are in a few areas like McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. so it may be
worth looking at http://www.btopenzone.com/

Sorry, other than tapping into an area where residents haven't secured their
own personal WIFI Accesss Points, I don't know. Another option would also to
purchase a Vodafone 3G datacard if within range. Look at www.vodafone.co.uk
or http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/3GUsbModem.html
- Pricey though!

Regards,

Ian

Good luck,

Richard P.

tom.chambers wrote:

Listmembers -
   When I last spent much time in the UK (1997 ) I had to  
search out  internet cafes  or rare connections in private
homes to get online.  Are there wireless ISPs now who cover the UK , 
and which a tourist can buy into for a month

at a time or so ?
 Thanks for any ideas or advice ,

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Re: [CGUYS] OS X bootable CD

2007-09-04 Thread Matthew Taylor

Regretably DasBoot will not do what I need.  From their documentation:

Can I use the OS X installer CD/DVD as the source disc?

No. Only third party bootable CD/DVD discs such as SubRosaSoft’s  
FileSalvage,
CopyCatX, VolumeWorks; Alsoft’s DiskWarrior; Prosoft Engineering’s  
Data Rescue II
and Drive Genius; and MicroMat’s TechTool Pro will work. For a  
forensically sound
bootable device, use SubRosaSoft’s MacForensicsLab  
(www.macforensicslab.com)

as the source disc.

Back to the drawing and google searching board.

Matthew

On Sep 4, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


DasBoot from SubRosaSoft does exactly this. (It is free.)


Is there a non-trivial way to make a bootable CD from a working
installation of OS X 10.4?  I know I can boot from the install CD,
but is there the equivalent of a live CD such as is possible with
most LINUX / other UNIX distros?  If not, is the reason technical
(doubtful IMO) or Apple just not wanting it done?



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Re: [CGUYS] IP address lookup

2007-09-04 Thread Steve at Verizon
Thanks for mentioning this service. Did the install instructions using 
their DNS ip addresses on my ethernet connected desktop. But then I 
decided to try it in my Verizon router/modem. Works there as well. 
Suggest this method if you have wifi, as you don't need to configure the 
DNS in each machine.


b_s-wilk wrote:


You can always switch to a reliable DNS system, details at 
www.opendns.com


I did. It's better! Thanks, John!

I also switched one phone jack and will replace another tomorrow.

Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] Will the iPhone Change Everything?

2007-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/story/14066/iphone_leads_us_smartphone_s
ales

iPhone outsold all smartphones in July according to iSuppli.

The iPhone accounted for 1.8 percent of all mobile handset sales in July.

The iPhone outsold all other smartphones during the period this included 
all BlackBerrys, the entire Palm portfolio, and anything from Motorola, 
Nokia, or Samsung.

The iPhone tied the popular LG Chocolate phone in sales during July.

This is a remarkable accomplishment for Apple, considering that July 



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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Michael Abrams

At 08:08 AM 9/4/07, Tomás de Torquemoderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This list is moderated. If I don't like your posts we send thugs to your 
house. [snipparoonie] In any event, the offending party is never heard 
from again.


 So! Youse gonna send your thugs around, or what?

 I got your list moderator right here.

 Bob

Thinking clearly and logically is hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.

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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Michael Abrams

At 06:01 AM 8/22/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I did not take particular offense to your rant


 Mazel tov. Neither did I. Possibly because, your characterization 
notwithstanding, it wasn't a rant.


and thought it reasonably harmless given that the person in question had 
left the list already


 You appear to be making the factually incorrect assumption that I 
intended to speak only to him.


but you have to be pretty inexperienced with email to recognize the 
potential for any stylistic exaggeration to be seen as hostile or angry.


 1. I see YOUR stylistic exaggeration as condescending and pedantic.

 2. You appear to be making the incorrect assumption that Jeff was 
not, in fact, hostile or angry, and, therefore, by implication, I was 
wrong or unfair to have seen him that way. Perhaps, though, you are to be 
excused for your error, because you do not have the additional benefit of 
an off-list post from Jeff to me in which he confirmed just how hostile or 
angry he was. I am reluctant, for obvious reasons of Netiquette, to share 
a private post with the list. But you have his e-mail address. You are free 
to ask him to send you a copy of his private post to me, if you want to 
make up your own mind about whether or not he was hostile or angry.


 3. Just because I interpret any one instance, or any set of 
instances, of stylistic exaggeration [that's a GREAT phrase, BTW] as 
hostile or angry, it does not follow logically that I will necessarily 
interpret any other instance, or set of instances, that way, as well.



No matter what the topic we all have a responsibility to be respectful.


 That's YOUR opinion. It also strikes me as dogmatic and inflexible. 
It wouldn't occur to me to state such a thing as a rule for anyone other 
than myself, since I don't think I'm wise enough to discern, before the 
fact, every set of circumstances that might occur to everybody else, and 
then conclude that being respectful is the best course for all of them. 
Suppose there is a situation in which cussing someone out, on the list, is 
just exactly what is needed to get him to wake up, or whatever it is, and 
become a helpful, friendly, entertaining, and productive listmember? 
Suppose you discern, correctly, that some other listmember will continue to 
dish you dirt unless and until you give HIM a dose, at which point he will 
back off?


 As a general proposition, however, I agree that being respectful is 
the way to go when responding to posts, particularly if the posts to which 
you respond are respectful of you. I don't know that one is the final 
arbiter of whether or not one is or was respectful, though. Suppose, for 
instance, that somebody sends you a post that is condescending and 
pedantic, yet the sender insists that everybody has a responsibility to be 
respectful. How would you handle THAT?


 One more thing: I wonder how many listmembers, apart from myself, 
believe that you have to be pretty arrogant to think that it is your place 
to tell every other listmember what his or her responsibility is.



I actually think the Nye thread was somewhat offensive.


 All of it? Particular parts or comments? I don't understand your 
observation, because you don't provide, for me, anyway, sufficient specificity.


Maybe its patronizing but I tend to see people with fundamentalist views 
as somehow deprived (of info, education, etc).


 Just as, I guess (and guessing is all I'm doing, since I don't claim 
to speak for those to/about whom Bill Nye spoke), they view you as deprived 
of the benefits of God's grace and salvation through Jesus. In both 
instances, though, each of you views yourself as somehow better off than 
the other guy. And, also in both instances, it is a VERY short step from 
seeing oneself as better off than the other guy to seeing oneself as 
better than the other guy.


 Perhaps you have noticed that some people are better than others at 
avoiding that step.


 Or perhaps not.

We could say that the retarded are stupid and no matter how accurate 
it is seem both mean-spirited and pointless. Such a statement only serves 
the need of the speaker to vent (or be cruel).


 Unless, of course, your point is to BE mean-spirited or cruel. But 
then, one might excuse oneself such mean-spiritedness, or fail even to 
recognize it, in the first place, if one believed one were better than 
the other guy.


Though we all need to vent but I don't think I would enjoy any list where 
it happens too often (more than seldom?). Anyone think that venting 
(especially near the line of OT) is an appealing feature of this list?


 I think that a venti is an appealing feature of Starbucks.

 Bob

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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread chad evans wyatt
OK, everyone.  We've heard all of bob's variations. 
Time to ignore him.  



   

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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Jordman
If I had known this was going to get so interesting, I would not have 
deleted the original exchange last week.   


Jordan



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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread mike
gmail...delete nothing...or for that matter the new yahoo with unlimited.

mike

On 9/4/07, Jordman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I had known this was going to get so interesting, I would not have
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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Jordman

That's OK, I dug through the trash to refresh my memory.
I have gmail accounts, but I don't like dealing with web mail tools. I 
like doing email on my computer.

Are we board enough?
Jordan

mike wrote:

gmail...delete nothing...or for that matter the new yahoo with unlimited.

mike

  




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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Jordman

OOps! Or perhaps my head is a bored board.

mike wrote:

gmail...delete nothing...or for that matter the new yahoo with unlimited.

mike

  




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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread mike
I used to like email on my main system, but it's a lot faster on theirs.
heh

Mike

On 9/4/07, Jordman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's OK, I dug through the trash to refresh my memory.
 I have gmail accounts, but I don't like dealing with web mail tools. I
 like doing email on my computer.
 Are we board enough?
 Jordan

 mike wrote:
  gmail...delete nothing...or for that matter the new yahoo with
 unlimited.
 
  mike
 
 


 
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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Use pop on a gmail  account or forward through it to an account you
use if you do not like the web tool.

On 9/4/07, Jordman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OOps! Or perhaps my head is a bored board.

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Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Michael Abrams

At 03:39 PM 9/4/07, chad evans wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


OK, everyone. We've heard all of bob's variations.


 Ignorantly and erroneously spoken. Boo!


Time to ignore him.


 Arrogantly and presumptuously spoken. Yay!

 It appears that you have taken it upon yourself to decide for the 
entire list, including those teeming and uncounted millions who actually 
enjoy reading my posts, and have said so, what all listmembers are now to do.


 There is no rational basis for you to assume or conclude that you 
have even the personal appeal or influence, let alone the power, to tell 
anyone else on the list what he or she should or should not do, or what it 
is time for anyone else, besides yourself, to do or not to do. Plenty of 
IRRATIONAL bases for such assumptions and conclusions, of course, but no 
rational ones. If you REALLY thought it was time to ignore me, then WHY 
didn't YOU? I think what you actually believed was that it was time for you 
to show everybody how jealous you are of me, which you just did, even 
though, IMO, you likely didn't mean to, and that, as egocentric as I am 
(and, boy, oh, boy, am I egocentric), you are even MORE egocentric than THAT.


 Only someone even MORE egocentric than I am, someone you might 
characterize as egotistical, would believe that because HE wants the list 
to ignore me, the rest of the list should/will want to ignore me, too. I 
mean, you have to think you're the absolute center of the universe to 
believe something like: If I see it this way, then everybody else should 
damned well see it the same way, too.


 Either that, or you believe you can read everybody's mind.

 I offer these two things which you might want to consider:

 1. How would you like it if some listmember to whom you had never 
done or said anything, decided, for his or her own narrow, subjective, 
personal, arbitrary, and irrational reasons, to tell the list to ignore YOU?


 2. Had you not made this post, I would not have been able to respond 
to it.


   Bob

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[CGUYS] lost email threads [ was: Re: Bill Nye...]

2007-09-04 Thread b_s-wilk
If I had known this was going to get so interesting, I would not have deleted the original exchange last week.  
Jordan 


not gone--archived:
   http://www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/


That's OK, I dug through the trash to refresh my memory.
I have gmail accounts, but I don't like dealing with web mail tools. I like doing email on my computer. 


GMail is POP mail, too. You don't have to deal with web mail.
   http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=1555
   http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=13287



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