Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine watching TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in it. I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I am unhappy about progress too. So buy an ATSC converter intended for televisions and go on using your DVR which will likely quite happily accept the signal from the converter and record it, then play it back in glorious NTSC. If you wait, you can even get coupons likely to be worth $40-$50 to apply to the purchase of two different converters. The same technique can be applied to VCRs, old televisions and whatever other electronics you possess which rely on NTSC. February 2009 isn't the end of the world. The downside is that you won't have the same video quality that others get, but considering what there is to watch, I'm not sure seeing acne scars and the like on folks who are supposedly beautiful is that much of a benefit. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
So buy an ATSC converter intended for televisions and go on using your DVR which will likely quite happily accept the signal from the converter and record it, then play it back in glorious NTSC. If you wait, you can even get coupons likely to be worth $40-$50 to apply to the purchase of two different converters. Tivo now has HD units and recently introduced a lower-cost model at $299. My reading suggests that it has all the necessary features, but only enough storage for 20 hours. However, the new model has an eSATA port that lets you add a 2nd drive. With big drives selling for low prices this is very appealing. But I have read so many bad stories about Tivo. The one I'm most concerned about is that Tivo deletes stored shows after a few weeks and there is no setting to prevent this. I like to hold on to some shows for a long time. I often collect an entire mini-series to watch at one sitting and it may take me a couple of months to find the time to do that. If Tivo deletes shows as it pleases that won't work for me at all. Does anybody on the list use a Tivo? Or should I build my own MythTV box? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] scrup-a-licous [was: MS IE 7]
Heck, the siren song's pull is so strong, even my MacZealot manager is getting one. DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
For the workout times I bought myself a cheap (as in 45 bux) 2 gig sony flash mp3 player with built in tuner. It's also water (sweat) resistant. So the only problem is the audible one...course there is always the library for some books just to work out with. I can think of plenty of up-tempo music for exercising, but I can't imagine what kind of audio book would be suitable! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I've been working my way through Terry Pratchett's Discworld books. I prefer to laugh while working out. On Dec 5, 2007 1:48 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the workout times I bought myself a cheap (as in 45 bux) 2 gig sony flash mp3 player with built in tuner. It's also water (sweat) resistant. So the only problem is the audible one...course there is always the library for some books just to work out with. I can think of plenty of up-tempo music for exercising, but I can't imagine what kind of audio book would be suitable! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
If you are ready to jump Circuit city has a 5 hour deal today for a $239 Series 3 TiVO. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=376938 On Dec 5, 2007 2:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know much about Series 3 but I love my Series 2 DirecTV TiVo's but there was a dawg of a system upgrade that came down the pike a few months ago. DTV controls the upgrades on these units and they are slow about it since they stopped selling DTiVO's in favor of their own machine which is worse than a bad TiVO upgrade.. Dealing directly with TiVO is supposed to be much better. Two sites to visit- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/ to see what the users really think. There is lots of good information on how to do an upgrade yourself in the underground section. It is linux based but there are all sorts of tools to make it simple. Instant cake being the foremost of the easy to use do it yourself tools. http://www.weaknees.com/ for hard drives to upgrade your unit to a reasonable hold time. There are other sources but these people have wonderful kits for you to void your warranty yourself. I've done both the kit from Weaknees and prepared my own harddrive and installed it. Weaknees has excellent instructions on the website for the installation of the disc drive in a variety of machines. On Dec 5, 2007 1:47 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So buy an ATSC converter intended for televisions and go on using your DVR which will likely quite happily accept the signal from the converter and record it, then play it back in glorious NTSC. If you wait, you can even get coupons likely to be worth $40-$50 to apply to the purchase of two different converters. Tivo now has HD units and recently introduced a lower-cost model at $299. My reading suggests that it has all the necessary features, but only enough storage for 20 hours. However, the new model has an eSATA port that lets you add a 2nd drive. With big drives selling for low prices this is very appealing. But I have read so many bad stories about Tivo. The one I'm most concerned about is that Tivo deletes stored shows after a few weeks and there is no setting to prevent this. I like to hold on to some shows for a long time. I often collect an entire mini-series to watch at one sitting and it may take me a couple of months to find the time to do that. If Tivo deletes shows as it pleases that won't work for me at all. Does anybody on the list use a Tivo? Or should I build my own MythTV box? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] RIP in printing
One of our departments just purchased a 60 HP plotter for a Mac system. The only software they got with it was the drivers. When I worked in a photo lab 10 years ago, we had to use a separate RIP program to send items to the printer. This printer is on our LAN. Every time they try to send a file directly to the printer, they get a wrong file message. I've looked through the Reference guide, it makes reference to the Embedded Web Server. Our IT guys are out until Friday, so I was trying to lend a hand. Any thoughts? tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
I have TIVO and just recently added my second box. What you heard is correct and wrong. If the interface is the same as mine (No HD not available in our area.) Tivo's are set to erase programs after a set time to free up room on your DVR. You can mark programs to keep until you delete them easily on the menu. I do this with stuff I have not had a chance to transfer to my PC to convert and burn or turn into MPG's. Yes that is the other neat thing I like about them. I can use Roxio and convert my TIVO files into a normal MPG and make them into DVD's if I want. TIVO is a subscription service but comes with it's own menu's, and the ability to set your DVR remotely using a computer, What abd storeis have you eahrd about them? I have two Series two models an 80 HR dual tuner one, and a 40 hr single tuner model. One is direct wired into my router and the other one is wireless. (TIVO wireless G adapter) Oh we have Charter Cable and they have nothing available like this locally. Stewart At 12:47 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: Tivo now has HD units and recently introduced a lower-cost model at $299. My reading suggests that it has all the necessary features, but only enough storage for 20 hours. However, the new model has an eSATA port that lets you add a 2nd drive. With big drives selling for low prices this is very appealing. But I have read so many bad stories about Tivo. The one I'm most concerned about is that Tivo deletes stored shows after a few weeks and there is no setting to prevent this. I like to hold on to some shows for a long time. I often collect an entire mini-series to watch at one sitting and it may take me a couple of months to find the time to do that. If Tivo deletes shows as it pleases that won't work for me at all. Does anybody on the list use a Tivo? Or should I build my own MythTV box? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] TIVO?
FYI, there is a Save until I delete setting for what is recorded. I got one last year for free (one of the output ports was bad so I just used the RF connection). I never wanted or needed a subscription (my viewing choices are simple and I know how to program it to record when I want it to), so what goes into TIVO, stays in TIVO until I delete it. TIVO will delete shows after a certain time period to make room for new recordings if they haven't been marked as Save until I delete. Otherwise, I control what is stored. Right now I have the PBS WW11 series stored because I haven't taken the time to watch the whole thing yet. Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: So buy an ATSC converter intended for televisions and go on using your DVR which will likely quite happily accept the signal from the converter and record it, then play it back in glorious NTSC. If you wait, you can even get coupons likely to be worth $40-$50 to apply to the purchase of two different converters. Tivo now has HD units and recently introduced a lower-cost model at $299. My reading suggests that it has all the necessary features, but only enough storage for 20 hours. However, the new model has an eSATA port that lets you add a 2nd drive. With big drives selling for low prices this is very appealing. But I have read so many bad stories about Tivo. The one I'm most concerned about is that Tivo deletes stored shows after a few weeks and there is no setting to prevent this. I like to hold on to some shows for a long time. I often collect an entire mini-series to watch at one sitting and it may take me a couple of months to find the time to do that. If Tivo deletes shows as it pleases that won't work for me at all. Does anybody on the list use a Tivo? Or should I build my own MythTV box? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
I don't know much about Series 3 but I love my Series 2 DirecTV TiVo's but there was a dawg of a system upgrade that came down the pike a few months ago. DTV controls the upgrades on these units and they are slow about it since they stopped selling DTiVO's in favor of their own machine which is worse than a bad TiVO upgrade.. Dealing directly with TiVO is supposed to be much better. Two sites to visit- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/ to see what the users really think. There is lots of good information on how to do an upgrade yourself in the underground section. It is linux based but there are all sorts of tools to make it simple. Instant cake being the foremost of the easy to use do it yourself tools. http://www.weaknees.com/ for hard drives to upgrade your unit to a reasonable hold time. There are other sources but these people have wonderful kits for you to void your warranty yourself. I've done both the kit from Weaknees and prepared my own harddrive and installed it. Weaknees has excellent instructions on the website for the installation of the disc drive in a variety of machines. On Dec 5, 2007 1:47 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So buy an ATSC converter intended for televisions and go on using your DVR which will likely quite happily accept the signal from the converter and record it, then play it back in glorious NTSC. If you wait, you can even get coupons likely to be worth $40-$50 to apply to the purchase of two different converters. Tivo now has HD units and recently introduced a lower-cost model at $299. My reading suggests that it has all the necessary features, but only enough storage for 20 hours. However, the new model has an eSATA port that lets you add a 2nd drive. With big drives selling for low prices this is very appealing. But I have read so many bad stories about Tivo. The one I'm most concerned about is that Tivo deletes stored shows after a few weeks and there is no setting to prevent this. I like to hold on to some shows for a long time. I often collect an entire mini-series to watch at one sitting and it may take me a couple of months to find the time to do that. If Tivo deletes shows as it pleases that won't work for me at all. Does anybody on the list use a Tivo? Or should I build my own MythTV box? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Cellphone to Landline Router/Dock
Hi, Has anyone had any experience using devices which integrate your cell phone into the existing phone wiring within your house? (Eliminating the external connection to the phone company/ outside of the demarcation box) We are considering converting the landline to a cell phone service. For the home number, I'd like the cell phone to remain stationary for the most part. Thanks, Rocky Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Diskworld Audio books
audible lists stephen briggs on some books at least On Dec 5, 2007 1:10 PM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my favorite authors. Who is the reader? On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:20 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I've been working my way through Terry Pratchett's Discworld books. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
When I am working out and sweating, and feeling inclined to feel sorry for myself, listening to an account of, say, the Bataan death march, can put my head in a useful place! Tom Piwowar wrote: I can think of plenty of up-tempo music for exercising, but I can't imagine what kind of audio book would be suitable! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] TIVO?
FYI, there is a Save until I delete setting for what is recorded. That might do the trick, but I still wonder if the enforced deletion may be a feature that is tied to using the programming service. Unlike, you I find the programming service very useful. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
I rarely use IE since the last one for Macs was v.5.5. I was at the public library today looking up some reference information--couldn't find it in Reference so I looked online. They have IE 6. I've requested that they get Firefox too, so we could have a choice [of something that works]. It was at least my tenth request, but it's still only IE 6. When I travel and use Internet cafes, I ask for a choice and almost every time, when I return they've installed Firefox. One place asked me to download it for him, then he installed it. [Nine out of ten so far.] Why not just get an U3 USB drive and run it from there? Problem solved and you can quit nagging people. Every place that switched had people thanking them; they thanked us when we returned after they installed Firefox. Solving an annoying IE problem is not nagging. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
If you are ready to jump Circuit city has a 5 hour deal today for a $239 Series 3 TiVO. Thanks, but if Circuit City has a deal for $239 I'm sure someone on the 'net will have it for $199. Circuit City I have never seen a good deal at Circuit City. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
Hey, Don't knock it! I've spent years and hundreds of hours on our county ReCenter treadmill listening to mysteries, suspense, police procedurals, etc. Been through all of Michael Connelly, John Grisham, David Baldacci, Donald Westlake, Carl Hiaasen and many more. In fact, the best device I've found is the 2nd generation iPod Shuffle. Never switch to shuffle mode and it makes a great sequential player from ripped CD books from the library. Clips to the collar of my workout shirt. Tom Piwowar wrote: For the workout times I bought myself a cheap (as in 45 bux) 2 gig sony flash mp3 player with built in tuner. It's also water (sweat) resistant. So the only problem is the audible one...course there is always the library for some books just to work out with. I can think of plenty of up-tempo music for exercising, but I can't imagine what kind of audio book would be suitable! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
I've done both the kit from Weaknees and prepared my own harddrive and installed it. Weaknees has excellent instructions on the website for the installation of the disc drive in a variety of machines. That's one of the winning features of the Series 3: they have an eSATA port. From the user reports I read there is no hocus-pocus required, just plug in an eSATA drive and Tivo starts to use it. I upgraded the drive in my Replay, but that was a lot of work. I had to download a utility and UNIX distribution on floppy to boot my PC with. Then copy C: to D: -- I think that took about 10 hours. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] TIVO?
Nope it is just to keep room on the system (Their hour numbers are at the lowest quality setting, so an 80 hour TIVo is really about 30 at highest quality recording a lot like the old VHS tapes that were advertised as 6 hour but really were 2 hour.) As you put more and more programs on it, the retain time gets shorter and shorter. I usually review my stuff, things I have not seen, I mark do not delete until I tell you too, and then watch it when I get a chance and if I want to keep it, retain it or transfer it to my PC. Stewart At 04:29 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: FYI, there is a Save until I delete setting for what is recorded. That might do the trick, but I still wonder if the enforced deletion may be a feature that is tied to using the programming service. Unlike, you I find the programming service very useful. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] RIP in printing
One of our departments just purchased a 60 HP plotter for a Mac system. The only software they got with it was the drivers. When I worked in a photo lab 10 years ago, we had to use a separate RIP program to send items to the printer. This printer is on our LAN. Every time they try to send a file directly to the printer, they get a wrong file message. I've looked through the Reference guide, it makes reference to the Embedded Web Server. Our IT guys are out until Friday, so I was trying to lend a hand. Any thoughts? tia. OS X will rasterize files so you may be fine without RIP software. Most printers today have an Embedded Web Server for configuration purposes. You can use Network Utility's send out a broadcast ping to 192.168.0.255 and 192.168.1.255 to see what answers. (To see all the different addresses tht answer you should run a set of 10 pings or so. If you only send 1 the utility will stop listening as soon as it gets 1 reply.) Then fire up your web browser and try the likely suspects. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
Tivo's are set to erase programs after a set time to free up room on your DVR My Replay can be set to save a certain number of shows and will delete the oldest when a new show arrives. This is reserved space and is independent of anything else going on in the box. Can Tivo do this? I do this with stuff I have not had a chance to transfer to my PC to convert and burn or turn into MPG's. Yes that is the other neat thing I like about them. My Replay will let me output, but only using the RF port. That additional conversion degrades the signal too much. Does Tivo offer a less lossy option? What abd storeis have you eahrd about them? I read that they enforce a very broad interpretation of DRM. That Tivo enforces automatic deletion after you play a program. That the program owner can set it to automatically delete shows after 24 or 48 hours even if you don't watch them. That the program owner can disable the ability to fast forward during commercial breaks. That it monitors usage and uploads detailed usage data to the mothership. Any of this true? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Diskworld Audio books
One of my favorite authors. Who is the reader? On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:20 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I've been working my way through Terry Pratchett's Discworld books. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
For the workout times I bought myself a cheap (as in 45 bux) 2 gig sony flash mp3 player with built in tuner. It's also water (sweat) resistant. So the only problem is the audible one...course there is always the library for some books just to work out with. Mike On Dec 4, 2007 9:14 PM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple external radios are what I was talking about as the cable ones. They are just too darn fragile to survive my prolonged use. I've gone through two of them already. There is a picture here - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=103F2A75nplm=MA070G/D . I do like how it handles presets although I would like it to be able to save a few sets of presets so I could have all the gym's FM stations for the TV on a separate set. This is the sort of thing Apple would really rock at if Steve cared about it. I think the worst 'feature' of the thing is how the cable that attaches to dock like the iPod's USB data cable with the cord coming out of the center. It's not bad for something that will be laying on a table but for something designed to be used while moving around it isn't such a good Idea. It would work better if there were a small box at the dock with a second head phone jack or maybe a small antenna. Now it probably uses the headphone cord as an FM antenna. It is just a real kludge of a device to get a check box. It really lacks the Apple elegance that I have come to expect. There are too many occasions where I want a radio and end up carrying one in addition to my iPod.. That mass of cable is as big as some small radios I've owned. Heck it is bad enough to make me consider buying a Zune. On Dec 4, 2007 7:55 PM, Steve at Verizon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Apple does make an iPod Radio Remote for $49. Check the Apple Store. It goes between the iPod and the earphones. Gives you a radio display and allows you to set presets. I enjoy mine. (I readily admit you can probably find a non-iPod player with FM radio for around the same price. I still use my old iRiver for FM as well as recording.) John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I wouldn't mind having a Zune for the gym since Apple would never put an FM tuner in the iPod. I have destroyed two of the in cable ones. Of course audible.com doesn't support the Zune which is a big draw back as well. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at
[CGUYS] MP3 player sites (was DVR's]
Tom Piwowar DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID! Are there any websites that have a www.dpreview.com style that will match a persons needs with an MP3 player? For example, no music management s/w, mounts as a USB drive. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Managing senior programmers is like herding cats! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MP3 player sites (was DVR's]
Ah, found it. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/compare/ Not sure if it will have that per se, but http://www.anythingbutipod.com is fairly extensive. -Original Message- Are there any websites that have a www.dpreview.com style that will match a persons needs with an MP3 player? For example, no music management s/w, mounts as a USB drive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MP3 player sites (was DVR's]
Not sure if it will have that per se, but http://www.anythingbutipod.com is fairly extensive. -Original Message- Are there any websites that have a www.dpreview.com style that will match a persons needs with an MP3 player? For example, no music management s/w, mounts as a USB drive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] DVRs [Was: No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]
At 05:22 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: My Replay can be set to save a certain number of shows and will delete the oldest when a new show arrives. This is reserved space and is independent of anything else going on in the box. Can Tivo do this? Possible I have not totally played with it yet. My Replay will let me output, but only using the RF port. That additional conversion degrades the signal too much. Does Tivo offer a less lossy option? Mine are both hooked up via ethernet. One cat5 the other Wireless G. No loss of signal, totally digital. Size of file determines quality (What you have it set at.) I have mine hooked up to the TV via Audio/Video cables. But can also do S video. Cable is for last resort. I read that they enforce a very broad interpretation of DRM. That Tivo enforces automatic deletion after you play a program. That the program owner can set it to automatically delete shows after 24 or 48 hours even if you don't watch them. That the program owner can disable the ability to fast forward during commercial breaks. That it monitors usage and uploads detailed usage data to the mothership. Any of this true? All but the last is true. It think they do upload recording stuff, but I think that was to make the folks in Hollywood happy. I can download movies from Amazon on my box but I have not done so, and this might be where DRM gets involved. But I have recorded and downloaded and burned a number of different TV programs without a hitch. earlier in the season I downloaded and watched previews (Pilot programs) of some of the fall TV programs. I kept them well past the airing of the Pilots on broadcast without a problem. Oh no commercials in these previews NICE! I can fast forward through any commercial, matter of fact, Tivo will preview when the programs begins so you can stop the FF and jump right into the program. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] USB Turntable?
I can think of plenty of up-tempo music for exercising, but I can't imagine what kind of audio book would be suitable! I find a really good audio book a lot more engrossing than music and makes the time doing unpleasant tasks (like exercising) seem to go more quickly. g Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
