Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[mike]

Yes.  Since apple released Safari for windows.

Mike

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:51 PM, b_s-wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked
> > software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing
> > Safari downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't
> > Safari part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go
> > through and un-check what I don't want.
> >
> > While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more
> > and more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would
> > show a bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.
> >
>
> I've been using iTunes since it was first released and have never seen any
> pre-checked add-ons with the installations/updates. iTunes does have
> reminders for updates when they're available, but it's only iTunes
> application and nothing extra. Are add-ons a Windows thing?
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[b_s-wilk]

While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked
software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing
Safari downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't
Safari part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go
through and un-check what I don't want.

While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more
and more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would
show a bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.


I've been using iTunes since it was first released and have never seen 
any pre-checked add-ons with the installations/updates. iTunes does have 
reminders for updates when they're available, but it's only iTunes 
application and nothing extra. Are add-ons a Windows thing?


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Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]

[Richard P.]

Adobe's updater is just as bad. Adobe Reader's update comes with the 
optional Adobe Photo Shop Starter Edition pre-checked. Someone that 
makes the mistake of not un-checking Photo Shop will end up with a nasty 
surprise when they put their data flashdrive in, only to find out that 
now they can only see images and their data is nowhere to be found. This 
is supposedly a reputable company who's program takes over a user's 
flash drive and won't allow data to be seen. The program shouldn't have 
been part of the update in the first place.


Richard P.
Apple provides a consilidated updater for all its software. Microsoft 
does this too. So does Adobe. Firefox checks not only for its own 
updates, but also for any plug-ins and skins you are using. Are you mad 
at all of the above or just Apple?


What do you think we would gain by having dozens of individual updaters 
for every little piece of software? I think that would be one heck of a 
mess.


  



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Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]

[Richard P.]

I think I made it clear that it is an annoying trend that__ many 
companies are adopting. In pointing out Apple, I was responding to the 
previous poster as well as trying to give Apple credit for (hopefully), 
being a classier company than the mainstream.


When using MS's custom updater, it looks for all MS Updates but allows 
you to check only the ones you want. When I am updating a particular 
program, by going through that program, I would hope that only that 
particular program's update will ultimately be displayed.


Another problem example, when updating ZoneAlarm Free, it now comes with 
the ASK toolbar pre-checked. In order to not download the ASK toolbar, 
one must un-check the ASK toolbar check-box which also happens to be the 
same check-box for agreeing to ZoneAlarm's terms. So in order to 
download ZA's update, one must "not agree" to their terms and then click 
next. How many users are going to get through that without yet another 
toolbar/search engine installed?


If a company wants to provide a consolidated updater, that's great, just 
don't have everything pre-checked ahead of time. Let the user decide and 
check what they want to have installed on their computer, whether it be 
Critical Updates or optional toolbars, Spy Blockers, Search Engines, 
Shopper's Tools and so on.


Richard P.


While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked 
software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari 
downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari 
part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and 
un-check what I don't want.



Apple provides a consilidated updater for all its software. Microsoft 
does this too. So does Adobe. Firefox checks not only for its own 
updates, but also for any plug-ins and skins you are using. Are you mad 
at all of the above or just Apple?


What do you think we would gain by having dozens of individual updaters 
for every little piece of software? I think that would be one heck of a 
mess.


  



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[CGUYS] Good web source for still images

[Robert]

I know that there are a few photographers & graphic designers here, so 
this is a question.


What is the best way to locate still images on the web?  I have used 
searches on Google images and Alta Vista images; sometimes one is better 
than the other, but they are not consistently better.


Is there a search engine that is best of all for locating images?


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Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess

[Tony B]

The only two annoying updaters I have to deal with these days are
Apple and Adobe. Firefox has the good sense, like most apps, to only
check on startup. And nothing extraneous is included by default in the
updates (like "Quicktime + iTunes").

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Apple provides a consilidated updater for all its software. Microsoft
>  does this too. So does Adobe. Firefox checks not only for its own
>  updates, but also for any plug-ins and skins you are using. Are you mad
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Re: [CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]

[mike]

How about an updater that just checks the software installed?   Firefox
doesn't push out extensions you don't already have...does adobe ask you to
update programs you don't have?  Your logic is, MS does it so it's ok?  Odd
Thomas.

Mike

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked
> >software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari
> >downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari
> >part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and
> >un-check what I don't want.
>
> Apple provides a consilidated updater for all its software. Microsoft
> does this too. So does Adobe. Firefox checks not only for its own
> updates, but also for any plug-ins and skins you are using. Are you mad
> at all of the above or just Apple?
>
> What do you think we would gain by having dozens of individual updaters
> for every little piece of software? I think that would be one heck of a
> mess.
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Re: [CGUYS] The OS that Won't Die!

[mike]

See the way you do it is...

lol

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >I won't say what the trick is, because Tom probably wouldn't like me
> doing
> >so, but even a novice could do it.
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[CGUYS] Updater Mess [Was: Apple Now #1]

[Tom Piwowar]

>While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked 
>software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari 
>downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari 
>part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and 
>un-check what I don't want.

Apple provides a consilidated updater for all its software. Microsoft 
does this too. So does Adobe. Firefox checks not only for its own 
updates, but also for any plug-ins and skins you are using. Are you mad 
at all of the above or just Apple?

What do you think we would gain by having dozens of individual updaters 
for every little piece of software? I think that would be one heck of a 
mess.


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Re: [CGUYS] The OS that Won't Die!

[Tom Piwowar]

>I won't say what the trick is, because Tom probably wouldn't like me doing 
>so, but even a novice could do it.

Thank you.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Richard P.]

While I use and enjoy iTunes, I too am annoyed at all the pre-checked 
software add-ons that come with the updates. Now they are pushing Safari 
downloads even though I don't have, use or want Safari (wasn't Safari 
part of the Apple Hack?). For every update, I have to go through and 
un-check what I don't want.


While pre-checked add-ons are obviously becoming a trend with more and 
more company's software downloads/updates, I thought Apple would show a 
bit more class than to jump on the band-wagon.


Richard P.



The last version of itunes I installed (last summer I think) was
malware. It took over lots more than it should have without asking me.
Perhaps they've fixed that by now.

But now it's nagware. Every week or so I get a desktop popup reminding
me to update Quicktime with itunes, and that box is checked by
default. Less attentive users would install itunes unintentionally. I
don't want to disable the reminder because I *want* to keep Quicktime
(without itunes!) updated.

There's no reason to force shoppers to use proprietary intrusive
software, even if it is free.

  



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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Michael Lewis]

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Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian) sez:

>You twisted it
>into an M$-fanboy post, which is okay, but was not my point. 

And he gave some good ol' anti-Apple DRM FUD, too, considering many
songs (maybe a majority or all now -- I haven't looked), are available
at higher bit rates with no DRM from iTunes. It may still depend on the
music company since Apple has to work with those companies to deal with
all these rights issues, but the fact is one can get higher quality non-
DRMed music from iTunes. It's the companies that want the DRM. Apple is
indifferent to it, as state by Jobs in an open letter concerning DRM. To
insinuate differently is bull.

-- 
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tony B]

The last version of itunes I installed (last summer I think) was
malware. It took over lots more than it should have without asking me.
Perhaps they've fixed that by now.

But now it's nagware. Every week or so I get a desktop popup reminding
me to update Quicktime with itunes, and that box is checked by
default. Less attentive users would install itunes unintentionally. I
don't want to disable the reminder because I *want* to keep Quicktime
(without itunes!) updated.

There's no reason to force shoppers to use proprietary intrusive
software, even if it is free.


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Re: [CGUYS] Is this a real threat? "Mail Server Report" Virus.

[Fred Holmes]

http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp

say's it's real.  But one should never install anything that arrives in an 
e-mail attachment unless the source is well trusted and validated (hasn't been 
spoofed).  Even if it is from a source you trust, scan the attachment first.  
And if the arrival of the message/content is unexpected, do an independent 
validation with the source.

There can be lots of variations on this theme.  Read the entire Snopes article.

Fred Holmes


At 08:15 AM 4/4/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Just got a heads up from a usually reliable source that an email with "Mail  
>Server Report" in the subject line is a bad one.  Can  anyone confirm?
> 
>Thanks, 
>Tracy
> 
>Tracy  Foust
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[CGUYS] Is this a real threat? "Mail Server Report" Virus.

[TracyF2]

Just got a heads up from a usually reliable source that an email with "Mail  
Server Report" in the subject line is a bad one.  Can  anyone confirm?
 
Thanks, 
Tracy
 
Tracy  Foust

Sound Resolution
Suite 8
1994 Moreland Parkway
Annapolis,  MD 21401
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian)]

Free is free.  I already use iTunes and like it.  Use what ever you
like.  Buy from any source you choose.  I was responding to a post that
said iTunes, free software, was a deal breaker for him.  You twisted it
into an M$-fanboy post, which is okay, but was not my point.  My point
is how can free be a deal breaker?  So you agree?

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
I heard Microsoft has free software too!  Not a deal breaker, right?

Why should I buy anything through Apple when I can get it through Amazon
for
less money, in a more widely supported format and more easily? 

> -Original Message-
> Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal
> breakers
> for you?


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Jeff Wright]

I heard Microsoft has free software too!  Not a deal breaker, right?

Why should I buy anything through Apple when I can get it through Amazon for
less money, in a more widely supported format and more easily? 

> -Original Message-
> Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal
> breakers
> for you?


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civilian)]

Scary; free software required!  What other free things are deal breakers
for you?

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Apple, afaik, still requires one to install itunes (proprietary
software) just to even SHOP at their music store. A deal-breaker for
me.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Now #1

[Tony B]

Interesting, but maybe old news already.
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSWEN358320080128

I just had reason to need a couple tunes last week, and was happily
surprised to find them at Amazon.com in DRM-free .mp3 format (though
the one-click purchasing wasn't working). I probably could have gotten
them at walmart.com as well.

Apple, afaik, still requires one to install itunes (proprietary
software) just to even SHOP at their music store. A deal-breaker for
me.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWNAS680520080403
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