Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Sir, I believe the authoritative text on the English language is still the O.E.D.(The Oxford English Dictionary.) Have you queried the unabridged version of that source? Regrettably, I have no access. Tony B wrote: Or by the pleasantly ignorant that never bother to read dictionaries or have any understanding of how living languages evolve. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=disc On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always used disc for optical media and disk for hard drives etc. And you would be right. These are not interchangeable, except by those who think all words interchangeable and simply grunt. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
In the professional computer technical fields, most terms are established as a technology is introduced. The tech communities generally agree formal terminology definitions early to make new technologies distinct and to minimize confusion. Thus, magnetic hard disk drives were first commercially marketed in the mid-1950's (24-inch!) and disk drive distinguished them from drum and other magnetic storage technologies. When optical storage was introduced it used the term disc to distinguish itself from magnetic disk drives. The OED tries to keep up with this, but I wouldn't expect them to be an authoritative source for technical terminologies, except retrospectively. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I believe the authoritative text on the English language is still the O.E.D.(The Oxford English Dictionary.) Have you queried the unabridged version of that source? Regrettably, I have no access. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Websters on line is pretty good, but it essentially says it is interchangeable. Stewart At 10:25 AM 4/8/2008, you wrote: In the professional computer technical fields, most terms are established as a technology is introduced. The tech communities generally agree formal terminology definitions early to make new technologies distinct and to minimize confusion. Thus, magnetic hard disk drives were first commercially marketed in the mid-1950's (24-inch!) and disk drive distinguished them from drum and other magnetic storage technologies. When optical storage was introduced it used the term disc to distinguish itself from magnetic disk drives. The OED tries to keep up with this, but I wouldn't expect them to be an authoritative source for technical terminologies, except retrospectively. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] APC Smart UPS battery replacement DuH!
I read the manual. I made a mistake in looking at the diagnostic lights. The left hand column shows how much load there is. The right hand column indicates how much battery charge there is. But... I left the fully charged battery unplugged from the unit overnight and this morning when i plugged it in, it had no charge. It's not holding any charge. It was also extremely warm when i removed it. So, i'll be replacing it anyway. Locally BatteryWarehouse.net quoted me $50.00 each (the unit takes two) So i'll replace two of them for $100.00 Some of the other quotes (like from Arizona) were cheaper, but with shipping it runs about even. Thanks, Rocky - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
I've always used disc for optical media and disk for hard drives etc. And you would be right. These are not interchangeable, except by those who think all words interchangeable and simply grunt. It all depends on whether you prefer Latin [discus] or Greek [diskos]. The Latin is derived from Greek, so perhaps disk is better. Since people can't spell anyway, and rely on Micro$oft's error-ridden dictionary, it probably doesn't matter. Your choice. I prefer Greek--it's more fun to read. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It all depends on whether you prefer Latin [discus] or Greek [diskos]. The Latin is derived from Greek, so perhaps disk is better. Since people can't spell anyway, and rely on Micro$oft's error-ridden dictionary, it probably doesn't matter. Your choice. I prefer Greek--it's more fun to read. Betty I suppose I should give up on most of these things. Soon, the dictionaries will reflect common usage that loose means the same as lose. I was even dealing with an engineer at work that thought they were equivalent, or that the verb to lose in the present tense was I loose. Compared to that, disc v. disk is minor, in my book. Pretty soon, all words in a spell checker dictionary that are close in spelling to the current word will used equivalently. work and word will be equivalent. Stop and stoop. etc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APC Smart UPS battery replacement.
I have a Leviton power backup that doesn't do anything but that. The battery lasted for quite a few years and then got weak (short backup time). I looked at getting a new one but the battery (arizonabattery.com) was cheap and easy to replace. BaddabingBaddaboom. -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: Re: APC Smart UPS battery replacement. There is batteries plus which is a franchise that is starting to turn up all over the place. http://www.batteriesplus.com/ On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just open the case, remove the battery and copy the specs off the side and measure the dimensions. Then purchase one of the same specs and dimensions from an online vendor. Not a problem, easy to do and cheap. Many of these batteries are the same that are mass produced in huge numbers for emergency exit lighting units so are available very inexpensively. The UPS companies will gladly take your money if you want to pay them their outrageous markup, but there is no real reason for doing so. I have paid $14 for RPL batts for Belkin UPS units. Some of the Battery sites have UPS battery lookup interfaces. I looked yours up and it looks like you have a more powerful model of UPS that has larger more expensive batteries than the models I am familiar with. Here's a couple of such sites: http://www.arizonabattery.com/?page=shop/browsecategory=upsbatteries_ apc-americanpowerconversion http://www.atbatt.com/ups-backup-batteries/b/APC.asp db rocky lee wrote: Hey All, I have two APC Smart UPS 1400 units. They take an RBC7 12V combo (two batteries together) On one, both the batteries are dead. On the other, one battery is dead, the other lights up and will power either of the housing units. Any recommendation on where to purchase a replacement? From the manufacturer the part runs $180.00 In doing research for a replacement, I see prices from $50.00 to $180-$200.00 http://www.apexbattery.com/apc-rbc7j-battery-set-sealed-lead-acid-batt eries-apc-batteries.html http://www.amazon.com/Powersonic-PSH-12180FR-Nut-Bolt-Connector-retard ent/dp/B0002ILK0O/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1207587460sr=1-19 I'm just wondering if there are any 'gotchas' i need to be wary about, or if there are any other concerns about manufacturing that need to be addressed. Does anyone have recommended vendors or did anyone find it easier to replace with a new unit? Thanks, Rocky - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Hebrew is even better Betty. Stewart At 12:33 PM 4/8/2008, you wrote: It all depends on whether you prefer Latin [discus] or Greek [diskos]. The Latin is derived from Greek, so perhaps disk is better. Since people can't spell anyway, and rely on Micro$oft's error-ridden dictionary, it probably doesn't matter. Your choice. I prefer Greek--it's more fun to read. Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
In the professional computer technical fields, most terms are established as a technology is introduced. The tech communities generally agree formal terminology definitions early to make new technologies distinct and to minimize confusion. That is exactly right and why the following is exactly wrong... I believe the authoritative text on the English language is still the O.E.D.(The Oxford English Dictionary.)... The OED is not the authority, *we* are the authority and the OED is the reporter of what we do. If we were to inform the OED that they are wrong they probably would check their facts and correct their error. But one never knows what an English major will do in the face of technology. In this field the Wikipedia is probably a better source... Aluminum disc, a magnetic recording disc used mainly for early radio recordings Blu-ray Disc, a high-density optical disc intended mainly for video storage Compact Disc, a form of optical disc used mainly for audio data Disc film, a still-photography film format Disk storage, a general category of data storage mechanisms DVD, a form of optical disc used mainly for video and other data Enhanced Versatile Disc, an optical medium-based digital audio/video format Floppy disk, a magnetic data storage device using a flexible disc Hard disk drive, a non-volatile magnetic data storage device HD DVD, a high-density optical disc intended mainly for video storage Laserdisc, the first commercial optical disc storage medium MiniDisc, a magneto-optical disc-based data storage device Optical disc, a polycarbonate disc RAM disk, a volatile solid state drive Transcription disc, a gramophone record * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
What a wacky idea. Cite Wikipedia as an authority on word usage! Just try that stunt in school. For all we know you might have made those entries yourself! I gave you a link to 20 different modern dictionaries, most of which either support the interchangeability of the words or don't mention it. If you'd rather go off in your own fantasy-language land where the public contributors to Wikipedia define the language, go for it. Just don't expect anyone to have any idea what you're talking about. Oh, and BTW, the dictionary version of Wikipedia is Wiktionary. And guess what? Right at the top it defines 'disk' as an alternative spelling for 'disc' (though it mentions the usage note). Oddly, since it was mentioned, I too now think I tend to use 'disk' differently than 'disc'. But I doubt I've written 'disc' 10 times in my life, preferring abbreviations like CD or DVD. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OED is not the authority, *we* are the authority and the OED is the reporter of what we do. If we were to inform the OED that they are wrong they probably would check their facts and correct their error. But one never knows what an English major will do in the face of technology. In this field the Wikipedia is probably a better source... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Tony, Just wondering if you really meant what you said here. Doesn't really make that much sense. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a wacky idea. Cite Wikipedia as an authority on word usage! Just try that stunt in school. For all we know you might have made those entries yourself! Are we in school, or in real life? Sure, there are plenty of teachers who are technophobes. What does that prove? And it is pretty easy to check to see that you didn't make those entries yourself, as you undoubtedly know. I gave you a link to 20 different modern dictionaries, most of which either support the interchangeability of the words or don't mention it. If you'd rather go off in your own fantasy-language land where the public contributors to Wikipedia define the language, go for it. Just don't expect anyone to have any idea what you're talking about. Don't expect anyone to know what you are talking about, either. Making up all kinds of stuff that doesn't make sense in the real world. Dictionaries are *never* intended to be guidance. Do some research. They are intended to capture relatively current usage. That's why you will soon see loose and lose cited as interchangeable. The trick is to determine whether you want to be technically correct or go along with modern usage. If the latter, knowing that dictionaries can't really keep up, go with the dictionary. Oh, and BTW, the dictionary version of Wikipedia is Wiktionary. And guess what? Right at the top it defines 'disk' as an alternative spelling for 'disc' (though it mentions the usage note). That is why one would want to cite a source that at least tries to capture what is correct. Wikipedia is at least trying to capture accurate and correct information. Wiktionary is trying to be a dictionary, not an accurate source of technical information. Please try a bit harder to reason in your replies. It becomes too embarrassing to read, otherwise. Oddly, since it was mentioned, I too now think I tend to use 'disk' differently than 'disc'. But I doubt I've written 'disc' 10 times in my life, preferring abbreviations like CD or DVD. Probably because you have retained some technical knowledge along the way. The only reason that the last D in CD and DVD stands for disc is because the technical people in the industry decided to use disc for optical media. A technical usage. Again, if you had simply argued that non-technical people don't care, your citing dictionaries would have proved your case. Good luck. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Yes, I imagine in your world of fantasy languages, dictionaries aren't used a lot, and you find yourself embarrassed quite a bit. What bemuses me is why you'd want to use a user-written encyclopedia but not a user-written dictionary. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:55 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try a bit harder to reason in your replies. It becomes too embarrassing to read, otherwise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Dictionaries are *never* intended to be guidance. Do some research. They are intended to capture relatively current usage. That's why you will soon see loose and lose cited as interchangeable. Well, they are entirely separate words with different meanings. Current usage is only popular usage, and it demeans language in many cases. More importantly it coarsens expression. Many people say that they Could care less. What they mean is that they Couldn't care less. If you unloosen something does that mean that you're tightening it? If you loose a thing does it mean that you can't find it? Precision of language is absolutely vital in science, technology, and the arts. There is a distinction to be made between disc and disk. Not the least because I believe the disc spelling was promulgated by Sony and Philips as a trade name for a product they codeveloped. It's come to specifically refer to an optical disc. Like kleenex means a facial tissue, regardless of source. Disc was always an alternate spelling of disk, but it was definitely less common in casual American English usage than disk. A Compact Disc is never a Compact Disk. Anyway, I couldn't care less about those who play fast and loose with the English language. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
