Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform

2008-06-06 Thread Michael Lewis
mike sez:

MS agreed to fix it without incident, Apple was refusing until recently.
According to the researcher who found the issue though, MS fixing their end
still leaves a problem that can be exploited in Safari.

You really do have an awful lot of time counting the minutes between
when one company decides to change its course (Microsoft points fingers
and then will make a change) and then another company decides to change
course, too (Apple refusing until recently). Since both have changed,
sounds like neither of them win. The customers win.

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Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform

2008-06-06 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)
Mike, slamming Apple's security by quoting security companies who sell
security software for Windows is less than creditable to me.  They are
saying use Windows and buy our security software; don't switch to OS X
and ignore us!

If they also sold security software for OS X (and had a creditable
number of customers, reflecting the market), I might believe them.  If
their claims that Mac OS X (current versions - 10.4 and 10.5) are true,
then why can't they make and sell security software to those users?
There are plenty of companies selling software for OS X; why do none of
them sell security software?

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
So when mediadefender went to take down rev3 with a DoS attack, if they
had
been rich snobs they would have gone after only macs to set the attack
up?
Or would they realize that the DoS attack only works when you have a lot
of
machines sending data and go after the other 90% of systems out there to
launch the attack?  I don't have to convince anyone, it's just facts.
Look
at almost any security firm who measures medium to critical flaws among
the
os's and they all say the same thing, Apple lags far behind in fixing
such
flaws.  They get away with it because these guys such as mediadefender
need
as many systems as they can get to attack.  This last safari problem is
a
perfect example, MS was out saying they would fix the issue, Apple said
we
aren't fixing it.  Now after some press articles and pressure from the
community and MS,  Apple has agreed to fix it.


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[CGUYS] Apple Posts Mac OS X Security Guides

2008-06-06 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)
Apple posted security guides for 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 (desktop and server
versions for each) here yesterday (PDF): 

http://www.apple.com/support/security/guides/ 

Apple warns that these are not for the inexperienced OS X user.  If you
are not familiar with Terminal command line, networks and OS X, find
someone who is before trying to follow the guides.

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

2008-06-06 Thread Larry Sacks
I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON
includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price.  


When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens
was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still
pass.


Given the choice between a new camera or a used/refurb'd camera, I'd go
with the new.  I'm not saying anything bad about the D70.  I absolutely
love mine, but I can't justify that cost ($900) for a used/refurb'd
camera.  


Someone else referred to Ken Rockwell's website.  He's got great reviews
of the cameras and his recommendation is the D40.  

If you want to see examples of what the D40 can do, take a look at
www.kenrockwell.com/ryan/index.htm - those are pictures of his first
baby.  


Larry

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Meyer
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:59 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

The google products search on Nikon D70 turn up listings in the first
half
page for about $900 from numerous different stores.

Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:
From: Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:34 PM

Tom makes an excellent point.  Nearly all point and shoot digital
cameras go to work once you press the shutter release button down to
take the picture.   You can defeat that somewhat by anticipating the
shot.  Of course, that works a lot easier with subjects that are going
on a predictable course - like say cars on a track.  With kids, pets,
birds, etc, it becomes more of a challenge since just because they're
going in one direction at the time, doesn't mean they'll continue on
that path in the next millisecond.  As someone else said, FPS does not
necessarily equate to a better camera.  FPS is if you just want to
throw frames at an event - but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually
get the shot you want.  In my photography business (and for the work I
do for paper), I rarely shoot in burst mode.Ken Rockwell's website
(www.kenrockwell.com) is definitely a great place to go look for
information.  Ken is a into cameras and buys equipment as soon
 as it's available.  While he's mostly looked at Nikons in the past,
he's not a Nikon bigot.  He's got lots of good, practical advice.  The
D70 and the D40 are both great cameras.  I have a D70 and my brother has
a D40.  I've put about 25,000 (or so) shots through my D70.  My brother
recently got his D40 and I've used it too.The D70 you're  looking at
is almost definitely used as the D70 line was dropped in around 2005 or
so.  The D40 is newer and somewhat lighter.In your original email,
you said the D40 was about $500 less.I'd go with the D40.  You could
probably use the savings (if you're okay with stimulating the economy
and spending money you were thinking of spending) and get one of the D40
kits.  Most come with an 18-55mm lens (either VR or non-VR) or the
18-55mm and the 55-200mm (also VR or non-VR).  (VR is Nikon's Vibration
Resistance technology - sort of an image stabilization but it's
minimizes shake when taking pictures under
 certain circumstances.  Just know that it works really nicely).
OR... you could spend a bit more, get the D40 with the 18-55mm lens and
then get Nikon's 18-200mm VR lens.  That's a fantastic lens and it'll
handle 99.999% of what you need to shoot.  The only catch is the
18-200mm VR goes for about $679.95 (yeah, it's an expensive lens).
Just out of curiosity, what store is selling the D70 and for how much?
Larry  P.S.  Don't forget to get a UV filter for any and all lenses you
get. Some camera shops will try to sell you something *really*
expensive, but you don't need to spend all that much money on it.  The
UV filter is there to protect the lens from things that might strike the
glass.  It also does a dandy job on fingerprints (smudges like that are
too close to the lens when they're on the filter, so they won't affect
the shot. Smudges on the lens however, will).  And it's far, far better
and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a
 $700 lens.  -Original Message- From: Computer Guys
Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:34 AM To:
COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was
over shooting  gt;Camera newbie question.amp;nbsp; I hate shutter lag
in digital cameras.amp;nbsp;  gt;The frames per secondamp;nbsp; rate
in the Nikon D70amp;nbsp; 3 fps whereas the  gt;D40 specs claims 2.5
fps.  Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related.
Shutter lag  depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot
(focus, metering,  etc.) 

[CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby
  Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of  
their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac  
community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS  
imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to  
buy new computers if they want to use future versions of Leopard.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Steve Rigby wrote:

  Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,   
of their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non- 
intel Mac community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the  
Leopard OS imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac  
PPC owners to buy new computers if they want to use future versions  
of Leopard.


  I should have written next major upgrade.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

2008-06-06 Thread John DeCarlo
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
 used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON
 includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price.

 When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens
 was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still
 pass.


That is, of course, up to you.

It really depends on the company, but most reputable companies offer
equipment indistinguishable from new under the refurb label.  I have
purchased half a dozen refurbished items, including a digital camera, and
three of them were still in the otriginal packaging.  (Including the
camera).  Someone clearly bought it and returned it wiithout ever opening
it.  But at that point it is used.

I do agree that warrantees are important.  It may well be worth paying $200
for a longer guaranteed replacement period of a year as opposed to 60 days.


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread John Emmerling
The latest Ubuntu version supports non-Intel Macs.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Steve Rigby wrote:

   Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of their
 Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac community.
  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS imminently useable on
 Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to buy new computers if they
 want to use future versions of Leopard.


  I should have written next major upgrade.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

2008-06-06 Thread Larry Sacks
Perhaps I should have been more specific.  I wasn't questioning the
refurb status since the work was performed by Nikon as I'm sure Nikon
is a good place to go to have one of their cameras refurbished.


What I was questioning was the cost and to a lesser extent, the original
need for the refurb work performed.  Did the camera suffer from the
BGLOD (Blinking Green Light of Death seen on some early D70s that Nikon
repaired as a warranty item), was it abused - dropped in water, on
concrete, etc, or was it sent in to merely have the CCD cleaned?  The
phrase refurbished can mean any one of a number of things and the
vagueness of it leaves one to wonder (at least I usually do) what
happened.  


Buying a camera someone returned in the original box with the original
packaging is much different than buying a refurbished camera and I
wasn't including that in my definition of used.  By used, I meant a
camera that has been used and possibly abused.  I've pumped about 26,000
or so shots through my D70 and if I were to sell it, I don't think I'd
ask or even hope I could get $900 (even if I sent it into Nikon to have
them check it out and clean the CCD), but maybe I'm just setting my
sights too low.  By abused, I've seen some cameras that have been
banged, dropped and generally mistreated that I would have a tough time
considering getting even if they were refurbished.  If they were and
were priced at around $100, then I might consider it, but $900?  I'd
have a tough time at that price point.  Now if the company doing the
refurb work were to tell you what they did, what condition the camera
was in (what was wrong with it, etc, etc) and maybe include some
before pictures, then I might start to think about the $400 - $600
range.  But $900?  I'd still have a tough time going that high.  


As for the warranty, I'd be careful with a 3rd party warranty.  I've
seen some that are definitely good and others that really are just added
profit for the company selling them.  


Nikon offers an extended warranty as do most reputable camera stores.
I'm split on that.  When the camera is down, that can be an issue.  I've
had my D70 since November 2004 and had to send it in for repair in 2007.
It was completely out of warranty but Nikon repaired it for free and got
it back to me within 4 days.  To me, that spoke volumes of good things
about Nikon.  I did have a backup camera I was able to use - my old
fully manual 35mm film SLR.  If I didn't have a backup camera (and
working for a paper, I kind of need a camera almost all the time), I'd
have had to rent or find someone that would let me borrow their camera.



Larry

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John DeCarlo
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:42 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
 used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON
 includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price.

 When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S
lens
 was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still
 pass.


That is, of course, up to you.

It really depends on the company, but most reputable companies offer
equipment indistinguishable from new under the refurb label.  I have
purchased half a dozen refurbished items, including a digital camera,
and
three of them were still in the otriginal packaging.  (Including the
camera).  Someone clearly bought it and returned it wiithout ever
opening
it.  But at that point it is used.

I do agree that warrantees are important.  It may well be worth paying
$200
for a longer guaranteed replacement period of a year as opposed to 60
days.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question: let's end this

2008-06-06 Thread chad evans wyatt
Please.  

The D40 new is superior to a refurbished or new D70 (or D70s).  The Nikon 
18~55mmVR lens is excellent.  A DSLR one buys today is overtaken swiftly by 
next models, certainly within 18 months.  A film-era camera, such as Hasselblad 
(I use them even now with great reliability), was viable for 20+ years, results 
indistinguishable from current models.  Overnight, digital cameras become 
inferior performers, eventual landfill (here, or in China), much as their mobil 
phone brethren.  Those who read Ken Rockwell's excellent website, the best out 
there on subjects photography, know this. Should you elect to go the DSLR 
route, you will learn there also that your most important investment is in 
glass, not in ephemeral camera.

Thank you.

Chad


--- On Fri, 6/6/08, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
 To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 2:41 PM
 On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Larry Sacks
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new
 price for a
  used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say
 refurbished by NIKON
  includes warranty but I don't think that
 justifies the price.
 
  When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the
 kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens
  was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost
 $200 off, I'd still
  pass.
 
 
 That is, of course, up to you.
 
 It really depends on the company, but most reputable
 companies offer
 equipment indistinguishable from new under the
 refurb label.  I have
 purchased half a dozen refurbished items, including a
 digital camera, and
 three of them were still in the otriginal packaging. 
 (Including the
 camera).  Someone clearly bought it and returned it
 wiithout ever opening
 it.  But at that point it is used.
 
 I do agree that warrantees are important.  It may well be
 worth paying $200
 for a longer guaranteed replacement period of a year as
 opposed to 60 days.
 
 
 -- 
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[CGUYS] PC Speaker

2008-06-06 Thread Jay Montero
I thought I posted this earlier but did not see it.  So forgive me if I
have double posted.  What I am looking to do is play the sounds that
come from the PC speaker on a Windows XP Gateway desktop through the
desktop speakers.  I have looked in the BIOS and cannot find a setting
there.  TIA


  


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Re: [CGUYS] PC Speaker

2008-06-06 Thread Tony B
There shouldn't be any sound coming from the PC speaker except a beep.
If you want Windows to beep on events, go into your Control
PanelSounds.


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jay Montero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought I posted this earlier but did not see it.  So forgive me if I
 have double posted.  What I am looking to do is play the sounds that
 come from the PC speaker on a Windows XP Gateway desktop through the
 desktop speakers.  I have looked in the BIOS and cannot find a setting
 there.  TIA


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Re: [CGUYS] PC Speaker

2008-06-06 Thread Matthew Taylor
Unless I misunderstand the situation or your terms, you just plug the  
speakers in to the speaker port (often has an earphone symbol).


Matthew

On Jun 6, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Jay Montero wrote:

I thought I posted this earlier but did not see it.  So forgive me  
if I

have double posted.  What I am looking to do is play the sounds that
come from the PC speaker on a Windows XP Gateway desktop through the
desktop speakers.  I have looked in the BIOS and cannot find a setting
there.  TIA



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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Fred Holmes
Will it run on generic Intel hardware, or must it be Apple-produced hardware?  
What sort of ROM BIOS do these machines have?

Fred Holmes

At 02:11 PM 6/6/2008, Steve Rigby wrote:
  Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of  
their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac  
community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS  
imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to  
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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread mike
The hardware doesn't change, it's just that apple won't be putting out an OS
compatible for PPC.  It won't run on anything but Apple hardware...unless
you hack it.

Mike

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will it run on generic Intel hardware, or must it be Apple-produced
 hardware?  What sort of ROM BIOS do these machines have?

 Fred Holmes

 At 02:11 PM 6/6/2008, Steve Rigby wrote:
   Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of
 their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac
 community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS
 imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to
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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:

Will it run on generic Intel hardware, or must it be Apple-produced  
hardware?  What sort of ROM BIOS do these machines have?


  The rumor mill has it that it will run on non-Apple hardware.

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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread mike
Apple would eat their own shorts before doing that.  They don't make money
off the OS, they make it off the hardware that runs it.  Not to mention the
kind of support they'd have to engineer for all those new motherboards..

Mike

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Fred Holmes wrote:

  Will it run on generic Intel hardware, or must it be Apple-produced
 hardware?  What sort of ROM BIOS do these machines have?


  The rumor mill has it that it will run on non-Apple hardware.


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:17 PM, mike wrote:

The hardware doesn't change, it's just that apple won't be putting  
out an OS
compatible for PPC.  It won't run on anything but Apple  
hardware...unless

you hack it.


  Perhaps some hacking may be involved, but if Apple does this, they  
would have to make it easy to do to be successful at challenging the  
Windows OS on traditionally Windows machines.


  Apparently, Apple has already dropped the Macintosh name from  
being associated with the newly planned advertising campaigns for  
upcoming releases of Leopard.  A large banner hung from the ceiling  
at the WWDC '08 Ground Floor  Registration area is being used to  
advertise Leopard, but is absent any mention of Apple or Macintosh.


  See this is Arstechnica:  http://tinyurl.com/67nq42

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Excel ?

2008-06-06 Thread Kevin and Roni Breza
Try using a sum function for the 3 cells rather than adding. Depending on the 
version of excel you are using, the sum function ignores text and only adds the 
numbers.

Kevin

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Subject: [CGUYS] Excel ?

A very simple but perplexing problem.
A cell adds the values of 3 adjacent cells.
When text is keyed into one of the three cells, the cell adding the values  
shows an error - #value.
Solution?
Thanks,
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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of  
their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac  
community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS  
imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to  
buy new computers if they want to use future versions of Leopard.

That schedule was announced years ago. Apple committed to supporting 
hardware through two major upgrades.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Piwowar
I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a
used/refurbished camera.  Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON
includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price.  

Same thing is true for refurb Macs. You get a couple of hundred bucks off.


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Jordan
This is all very interesting but I'm still very happy running rock solid 
10.4. Maybe I'll just hold out for 10.6 before changing.


Jordan

Steve Rigby wrote:
  Apple is said to be planning to make the latest upgrade, 10.6,  of 
their Leopard OS an Intel ONLY version, cutting out the non-intel Mac 
community.  This move, if true, is aimed at making the Leopard OS 
imminently useable on Windows machines and forcing Mac PPC owners to 
buy new computers if they want to use future versions of Leopard.


  Steve




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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting

2008-06-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I usually find it is best to buy refubs from the manufacturer and not 
the open market.


I have gotten some really good deals from Epson and Kodak on refurb 
electronics.  They usually give manufacturers warranty with them, and 
sometimes even throw in free shipping.


Stewart


At 06:39 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote:

Same thing is true for refurb Macs. You get a couple of hundred bucks off.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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[CGUYS] WinXP SATA

2008-06-06 Thread Tony B
[rant]

What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
DQ965 floppy drivers query, but of course it doesn't.

At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
files at Intel!

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

[/rant]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question: let's end this

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:53 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote:


 Should you elect to go the DSLR route, you will learn there also  
that your most important investment is in glass, not in ephemeral  
camera.


  So, so true.  A good lens on a consumer level DSLR provides for a  
better image than mediocre glass on a high end DSLR, sensors being  
essentially the same.  No need to get all that hung-up on brand name  
or cost of camera body.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:01 PM, mike wrote:

Apple would eat their own shorts before doing that.  They don't  
make money
off the OS, they make it off the hardware that runs it.  Not to  
mention the
kind of support they'd have to engineer for all those new  
motherboards..


  I agree that the concept is a bit hard to swallow.  That being  
said, there are an awful lot of Windows users and computers out  
there.  Vista has not worked out that well for MS.  What does a copy  
of Vista cost at the retail level?  How many copies of OS X could be  
sold at that price or lower, which I believe is higher than what Mac  
users have normally paid.  Also, isn't Apple moving heavily into  
selling a lot of fluffware these days what with the iPhone, the  
iPod and Lord knows what other Girly Man (just quoting the  
Governator) type devices being developed?  Apple could conceivably  
eliminate their desktop line of computers altogether the way that  
their portable devices are selling.


  Of course, this is all but conjecture at this point, supported by  
a bit of emerging evidence that suggests some kind of changes in mind  
at Apple.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


That schedule was announced years ago. Apple committed to supporting
hardware through two major upgrades.


  That is correct to the best of my recollection.  I do not believe  
there was any attendant suggestion at the time that the Mac OS would  
be specifically targeted for sale with the intention that it be  
installed on Windows computers after those two major upgrades.


  We shall see.

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Re: [CGUYS] Here's some news...

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Rigby

On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Jordan wrote:

This is all very interesting but I'm still very happy running rock  
solid 10.4. Maybe I'll just hold out for 10.6 before changing.


  I am also quite happy with 10.4 and have no plans to move this  
machine to 10.5 although that OS is on my portable.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP SATA

2008-06-06 Thread mike
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=allProductID=2372OSFullName=Windows*+XP+Professionallang=engstrOSs=44submit=Go%21#DRV

That doesn't contain the files you need?



On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [rant]

 What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
 with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
 most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
 DQ965 floppy drivers query, but of course it doesn't.

 At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
 about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
 AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
 files at Intel!

 I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
 with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
 then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

 [/rant]

 PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
 throwing a 7B blue screen.


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Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction

2008-06-06 Thread Ranbo
Thought I received message at end of May that AVG free was ending as of June
1 and needed to upgrade to presumably paid version.  Was away and didn't do
anything, but still seems to be running as far as I can tell.  Anyone else
heard about this?
After reading this thread, wondering if AVG might be what is slowing down my
browsing, mainly on FireFox, but probably also some on IE?

Thanks

Randall



On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Three apps may deal with things better than one swiss army program.  I
 have all three on a swiss army knife but I would rather own a
 screwdriver, a kitchen knife and a can opener.

 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:31 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  True...but why use three instead of one?  Why shouldn't one app deal with
  it?
 
  Mike
 
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This may be true, but there's only so much a program can do to protect
  you from all malware. Use anything but IE6, immunize with Spybot, and
  always use DropMyRights and there's no need for your AV app to deal
  with that stuff.
 
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I was looking at AVG free but it only includes anti virusit seems
 to
  me
   there are very little true viruses left out there and that most are
  malware,
   adware...spyware etc.  I switched to Avast free because it includes
 all
  of
   the above.  If AVG is going to split hairs between viruses and
 spyware,
   where are they starting and stopping in protecting users?
 
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP SATA

2008-06-06 Thread Eric S. Sande

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!


The only reason you'd need a floppy with a DQ965GF is to
set up a RAID on the SATA controller, correct me if I'm
wrong.  If the drives are PATA they're running on the legacy
EIDE interface.

You can't run a PATA drive on a SATA interface.

There are six SATA connectors on this board, and one PATA
connector.

It sounds like you need to connect to the correct interface with
SATA drives.  No floppy is necessary for that.

If you're saying you're all ready running SATA drives as PATA
drives I don't see how that's possible.




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