Re: [CGUYS] DSL Home Wiring

2008-08-29 Thread Eric S. Sande

What I need to do is split the phone line as it comes into the house.


One cable will be filtered and go to main telephones, the other cable will 
be for data--this is before it gets to the modem/router. Is the box I need 
called a DSL splitter? DSL junction box? It will be located in a crawl 
space and should need no maintenance once it's installed.


No.  It doesn't work that way.

The DSL signal rides on top of the normal analog voice bandwidth
signalling on a norrmal T0 telephone line.  It is sufficent to use a
filter to attenuate that signalling noise at individual phone sets to
allow normal analog voice (or modem) communication without noise.

This is why we use the individual  jack/filter strategy.  It is easier
for the user and it is cheaper for the provider.

This strategy basically means the whole subscriber loop (all of your
home telephone jacks) are DSL "hot".

The plus side of this is that no rewiring is necessary other than plugging
in the filter, the phone, and the router.  The negative is that all of your
phone stations also have to be filtered individually.

But it's easy.  George W. Bush could set this up.

A typical DSL install kit includes four inline filters, one wall set filter,
a wireless capable four-port Westell router, and a CD with software.

That is the standard issue hardware.  It works.  It's reliable.  It's
almost double a T1 speed (3 mbps) at $30.00 a month.

It doesn't suck, but it's not where we want to be.

Where we want to be, and we're going there, is gigabit speeds
over fiber.  I all ready do this for those who are willing to pay for
me to build out my infrastructure, guess who they are.

The people with deep pockets.

If you want the bandwidth, I can deliver it.  I'll sell you a Toyota
(good car, reliable) or a Mercedes (upscale) or a Ferrari if you
want it and can pay for it.

If you think I am going to charge less than people are willing
to pay then you must be some kind of a socialist :-).


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL Home Wiring

2008-08-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
Is there a basic device like this that I can buy locally in Delaware or 
Maryland? Who carries these? Or should I ask the guy in the Verizon van 
next time I see it?


No, you don't need to do that.

You mentioned that you have an intermittent short.  That's usually
house wiring.  Maybe the builder put a staple through the wire.

That's not unknown and it's hard to troubleshoot.

We can see this from a test desk, but we can't tell you where
it is remotely unless it is in our loop.  We can see what distance
it is from our CO.

The phone wiring in your house is a common loop, which is
phone company jargon for the same electrical connection to
all the outlets (phone jacks).

If that loop is compromised then none of it works.

The usual procedure is fault isolation, which involves first
testing to the network interface to ensure that the problem is
not on the telco side.  This we fix for free.

The second step involves identifying the problem on the
subscriber side of the network interface.  We charge for this
based on time and materials.  It isn't inexpensive but it is a
professional service.

We have maintenance plans which are relatively inexpensive
(inside wiring insurance) which you can buy.

Inside wiring rarely fails so we can make money on this.

Take out of that what you like but if a wire maintenance
plan costs $4.00 a month and a technician visit costs $120.00
for a half hour and $50 for every half hour after that then do
the math.  You can add or delete the maintenance plan at
will.

If you are not getting my drift...

Of course I will likely be taken out and shot for pointing this
out, but, hey, those are the rules.

   



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Re: [CGUYS] DSL Home Wiring

2008-08-29 Thread b_s-wilk

Is there a box that splits the RJ-11 to  RJ-45 for data? I've done
ethernet networks but don't know about the hardware for telephone data
lines.



Your last question makes me think that you don't exactly understand the virutes of DSL... 


Actually, I do know a lot about DSL. I just don't know the names of the 
devices that are used with it. They're just different kinds of boxes, 
junctions, splitters with funny names. I've been doing my own phone and 
electrical wiring for 30 years, except I usually have to look up or ask 
to find the exact names of the parts I need--I know what they look like, 
and how to install them. Each profession has its own private language. 
Telco has its own, to.


What I need to do is split the phone line as it comes into the house. 
One cable will be filtered and go to main telephones, the other cable 
will be for data--this is before it gets to the modem/router. Is the box 
I need called a DSL splitter? DSL junction box? It will be located in a 
crawl space and should need no maintenance once it's installed.


I see a Siecor INI splitter, Wilcom splitter, Suttle DSL POTS splitter, 
RCA POTS splitter, so far, not in vendors around here, but I haven't 
called any place yet, only searched online.


Is there a basic device like this that I can buy locally in Delaware or 
Maryland? Who carries these? Or should I ask the guy in the Verizon van 
next time I see it?


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap

2008-08-29 Thread Tony B
250gb/mo is at least realistic. The local phone company (Frontiernet)
is talking about 5gb/mo.

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Saw this article at Marketwatch about Comcast setting new Internet usage 
> limits:
> customers it has updated its "Acceptable Use Policy." Comcast
> CMCSA) told customers that starting on Oct. 1 it will set a new
> monthly usage threshold for customers, of 250 gigabytes a month of
> data usage, for all Comcast residential customers.


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[CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap

2008-08-29 Thread Richard P.
Saw this article at Marketwatch about Comcast setting new Internet usage limits:

http://tinyurl.com/6fmgh2

Text Follows Below Signature

Richard P.


MARKETWATCH FIRST TAKE
Comcast sets usage cap for Internet users
Commentary: Company gets low marks for disclosure to customers
By MarketWatch
Last update: 3:06 p.m. EDT Aug. 29, 2008
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Comcast Corp. is up to its old tricks,
as it seeks to rid its network of customers who use peer-to-peer
networks that clog up bandwidth.
Last month, Comcast was ordered by the Federal Communications
Commission to disclose its current and future network management
practices and to stop blocking Internet traffic by the end of the
year. The company had been blocking users of peer-to-peer networks by
delaying their accessing to certain Web sites such as BitTorrent and
others. See full story.
The cable giant quietly posted a new policy on its Web site, telling
customers it has updated its "Acceptable Use Policy." Comcast
CMCSA) told customers that starting on Oct. 1 it will set a new
monthly usage threshold for customers, of 250 gigabytes a month of
data usage, for all Comcast residential customers. See Comcast's
disclosure here.
But Comcast did not issue a press release or send direct announcements
to consumers. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Comcast
customer, and I did not receive any kind of e-mail notification of
this news, which would be a more direct and timely manner of
disclosure
The company says on its Web site that it is taking several steps to
notify customers, including running banners on Comcast.net and it will
include an insert, or a "billing stuffer" in their next bill. In my
opinion, Comcast's headline on Comcast.net, saying it has updated its
"Acceptable Use Policy," is not exactly a headline many consumers will
see.
Granted, the cap of 250 gigabytes covers a huge amount of data.
Comcast says consumers would have to send 50 million e-mails, or
download 62,500 songs of 4 megabytes each, or download 125 standard
movies at 2 gigabytes each, or upload 25,000 high-resolution photos of
10 megabytes each.
What is the penalty if a consumer surpasses the monthly cap of 250
gigabytes? Comcast said 99% of its customers will not exceed the
bandwidth limitations. However, if one exceeds the limit, they may
receive a call from Comcast to notify them of excessive use. If they
surpass the limitation two times within a six-month period, their
service is subject to termination.
Comcast is clearly trying to get rid of those unwanted customers who
use its network to download fat files of movies, videos and music,
some of which are probably pirated. But its indirect disclosures are
likely to lead to more ire among consumers toward a company that is
already challenged in the customer service department.
-- Therese Poletti


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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Tony B
Well, that answers that question. All gmail users should note there's
a new option on the Settings page: "Always use https".

I'll quote:
> LEO: You can protect it by scrambling it. And you mentioned VPN and
> other techniques.
> STEVE: Well, yeah.  I had a person who wrote in
> asking, if they were on a secure site filling out a form, and they did
> not yet have the little lock showing, was it safe to submit that data.
>  That's actually a really good point, that the way data is sent back
> to a web server is over, well, secure data is over this SSL connection,
> or as people see it in the URL, https, "S" being for secure, as
> opposed to just http://.  The event of pushing the button and
> submitting the data will create a secure connection.  So it's very
> likely that, if the web page is running securely, that is, even if
> it's not showing you the lock when it's displaying the form,
> submitting the form can still be done securely.  However, unless you
> take a look at the source code of the web page, you're not going to be
> really sure that it's a secure submission.  So most sites will take
> the time to, for example, create the form on a secure page...


On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A great primer on public wifi
>
> http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-010.txt
>
> or for more options, scroll to the bottom and see episode 10
> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Fred Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> use 'https' for gmail.
>>>
>>
>> if no vpn, but use https for gmail - wouldn't the wireless signal for a
>> public connection still be in the clear transmitting your username and
>> password?


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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread mike
A great primer on public wifi

http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-010.txt

or for more options, scroll to the bottom and see episode 10
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm


Mike

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Fred Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> use 'https' for gmail.
>>
>
> if no vpn, but use https for gmail - wouldn't the wireless signal for a
> public connection still be in the clear transmitting your username and
> password?
> thank you very much everyone for the replies
>
>
>
> From:   Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:  Friday, August 29, 2008 04:44 pm
> Subject:  Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless
> VPN is of course the answer, if you really MUST perform 'sensitive'
> tasks from unsecured networks. But personally, I can hold off doing my
> online banking until I get home. Normal websurfing and gmail I just
> don't worry about. Though I _do_ always use 'https' for gmail.
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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Fred Jones

use 'https' for gmail.


if no vpn, but use https for gmail - wouldn't the wireless signal for a 
public connection still be in the clear transmitting your username and 
password? 

thank you very much everyone for the replies 





From:   Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Friday, August 29, 2008 04:44 pm
Subject:  Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless 


VPN is of course the answer, if you really MUST perform 'sensitive'
tasks from unsecured networks. But personally, I can hold off doing my
online banking until I get home. Normal websurfing and gmail I just
don't worry about. Though I _do_ always use 'https' for gmail. 





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Re: [CGUYS] Slate Article: Is Something Rotten at Apple?

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Ever since the launch of the iPod and the iTunes Music Store I  
>have thought that Apple was taking its eye off the ball.

Yes, Apple is stretching itself thin. Would you be willing to give up the 
revolutionary iPhone in exchange? I would not.


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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Tony B
VPN is of course the answer, if you really MUST perform 'sensitive'
tasks from unsecured networks. But personally, I can hold off doing my
online banking until I get home. Normal websurfing and gmail I just
don't worry about. Though I _do_ always use 'https' for gmail.


On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Fred Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sure appreciate someone explaining this to me...
> trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure for
> checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc. seems like the nature of
> public wireless is that all is transmitted in the clear. would be great to
> be able to use wpa, but many hotels and convenient wireless internet don't
> seem to offer encryption. is there any way to protect wireless transmission
> on a public connection?
> also seems that this issue should be same for pc or mac, no?
> thanks for any help
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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
>trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure for 
>checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc.

You need to run a VPN on top of the wireless connection. This will give 
you a secure tunnel from your computer through to the VPN server. See a 
good tutorial at www.cites.uiuc.edu/vpn/security.html

You can buy VPN as a service from various providers for about $12/month. 
To mention one: www.hotspotvpn.com. (This is just an example, I have not 
used this service.)

Has anyone been using such a service? Any good/bad points to report?


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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Sorry did not understand the question.

There is no way to make the connection secure on a public wireless connection.

Stewart


At 06:20 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote:
thanks, but I'm sorry I don't understand - if I use public wireless 
say at a mall, how would a router on my end make the connection 
secure to the site I visit (or email) if the wireless connection is 
only public without any encryption available?


From:   Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Friday, August 29, 2008 04:06 pm
Subject:  Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless
Many places set up security though it be lite to keep people from
outside not being able to log onto the network.
There are routers that allow two sides a public and a private side
for situations like this.
Stewart

At 05:40 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote:

sure appreciate someone explaining this to me...
trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure 
for checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc. seems like 
the nature of public wireless is that all is transmitted in the 
clear. would be great to be able to use wpa, but many hotels and 
convenient wireless internet don't seem to offer encryption. is 
there any way to protect wireless transmission on a public connection?

also seems that this issue should be same for pc or mac, no?
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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Fred Jones
thanks, but I'm sorry I don't understand - if I use public wireless say at a 
mall, how would a router on my end make the connection secure to the site I 
visit (or email) if the wireless connection is only public without any 
encryption available? 




From:   Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Friday, August 29, 2008 04:06 pm
Subject:  Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless 


Many places set up security though it be lite to keep people from
outside not being able to log onto the network. 


There are routers that allow two sides a public and a private side
for situations like this. 

Stewart 



At 05:40 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote:

sure appreciate someone explaining this to me...
trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure 
for checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc. seems like 
the nature of public wireless is that all is transmitted in the 
clear. would be great to be able to use wpa, but many hotels and 
convenient wireless internet don't seem to offer encryption. is 
there any way to protect wireless transmission on a public connection?

also seems that this issue should be same for pc or mac, no?
thanks for any help 





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Re: [CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Many places set up security though it be lite to keep people from 
outside not being able to log onto the network.


There are routers that allow two sides a public and a private side 
for situations like this.


Stewart


At 05:40 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote:

sure appreciate someone explaining this to me...
trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure 
for checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc. seems like 
the nature of public wireless is that all is transmitted in the 
clear. would be great to be able to use wpa, but many hotels and 
convenient wireless internet don't seem to offer encryption. is 
there any way to protect wireless transmission on a public connection?

also seems that this issue should be same for pc or mac, no?
thanks for any help

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[CGUYS] security on public wireless

2008-08-29 Thread Fred Jones
sure appreciate someone explaining this to me... 

trying to figure a way to make a public wireless connection secure for 
checking email, logging in to sensitive sites etc. seems like the nature of 
public wireless is that all is transmitted in the clear. would be great to 
be able to use wpa, but many hotels and convenient wireless internet don't 
seem to offer encryption. is there any way to protect wireless transmission 
on a public connection? 

also seems that this issue should be same for pc or mac, no? 

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Re: [CGUYS] Downloading Gimp

2008-08-29 Thread mike
http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gimp-win/gimp-2.4.7-i686-setup.exe

http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=gimp

second is a torrent, so you'll need utorrent or opera or the like.  The
first worked for me.

Mike

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:47 AM, David Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I've tried downloading Gimp from several locations, but keep getting
> errors, either when trying to download or install.  There seems to be
> something I'm missing, & after reading more of the website, it seems I need
> an installer.  Can someone recommend a better method to do this?  Thanks.
>
>  david
>
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> David Turk
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[CGUYS] Downloading Gimp

2008-08-29 Thread David Turk
I've tried downloading Gimp from several locations, but keep getting errors, 
either when trying to download or install.  There seems to be something I'm 
missing, & after reading more of the website, it seems I need an installer.  
Can someone recommend a better method to do this?  Thanks.

  david


David Turk

Manager, Preservation Imaging Services

Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center

450 W. Ohio St.

Indianapolis, IN  46202

(317) 232-4592

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Media Player

2008-08-29 Thread Tony B
So does my test file play in VLC?

Maybe try updating to WMP11:
http://www.download.com/Windows-Media-Player/3000-2139_4-10315038.html


On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Follow up: This link also failed so I think we can rule out the
> original website in question. Is it possible that this could be a
> localized issue? The laptop also has the same issue opening up the
> original link as does the desktop. I don't know if a router or ISP
> could be preventing access. Any ideas?


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Media Player

2008-08-29 Thread Richard P.
Follow up: This link also failed so I think we can rule out the
original website in question. Is it possible that this could be a
localized issue? The laptop also has the same issue opening up the
original link as does the desktop. I don't know if a router or ISP
could be preventing access. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Richard P.


Tony B  wrote:

Here's a simple test wmv, but I'm not going to take the time to
> try to embed it: http://www.shepherdstownforums.org/cguys_test.wmv


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Re: [CGUYS] Slate Article: Is Something Rotten at Apple?

2008-08-29 Thread Steve Rigby

On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote:


Is Something Rotten at Apple?
E-mail problems, flaky iPhones, and broken Macs. What's Steve Jobs  
to do?


  Ever since the launch of the iPod and the iTunes Music Store I  
have thought that Apple was taking its eye off the ball.  Apple is  
aiming at too many targets at once to be able to clearly focus on any  
one of them.  I think that in taking this wide ranging marketing  
approach Apple has sacrificed some aspects of quality control.  Apple  
says they will stand behind their products, and I think that they  
will, but even so, they could lose something of value along the line  
that Apple users have come to expect and appreciate.  Simply put,  
Apple products have traditionally just plain worked straight out of  
the box, and reliably as well, pretty much hassle free.  That fact is  
greatly responsible for Apple's loyalists in the computer world, and  
that long standing tradition should not be sacrificed purely for the  
almighty dollar lest Apple simply become just another high tech  
manufacturer without particular distinction.  My opinion only.


  Steve


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[CGUYS] Slate Article: Is Something Rotten at Apple?

2008-08-29 Thread Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
 Stewart Marshall has sent you an article from Slate Magazine.



Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2198535

technology 
Is Something Rotten at Apple? 
E-mail problems, flaky iPhones, and broken Macs. What's Steve Jobs to do? 
By Farhad Manjoo 
Posted  Monday, Aug. 25, 2008, at 5:40 PM ET 
 
In its ubiquitous TV ads, Apple claims that its new iPhone is twice as fast as 
the original version and just half the price. Neither is true. The half-price 
fib has been obvious for some time: When you add the price of AT&T's required 
two-year contract, the new phone costs slightly more than the old phone. In a 
lawsuit filed last week, an iPhone owner named Jessica Alena Smith argues that 
Apple hasn't been honest about the phone's speed, either. Smith, echoing 
thousands of complaints logged on Apple's Web site, says that her iPhone rarely 
connects to AT&T's fast 3G network, instead staying fixed to the pokey EDGE 
service that was the bane of the first iPhone. Smith's iPhone doesn't just fail 
on tasks like downloading e-mail and surfing the Web, she says. It also drops 
many of her voice calls. 
 
Smith lives in Birmingham, Ala., but I've had the same problem with my iPhone 
3G in cell-tower-rich San Francisco—more dropped calls than I've ever had on a 
cell phone (including on the original iPhone) and terribly spotty 3G service. 
Last month, I raved about the great third-party programs available on the 
iPhone's fantastic built-in App Store. But I've since soured on that system, 
too. As many iPhone owners have noticed, the phone often mysteriously refuses 
to load these apps, rendering them useless. Smith is asking a judge to grant 
her lawsuit class-action status. I hope it's approved. Apple has reluctantly 
acknowledged flaws in the iPhone and has quietly promised to correct them, but 
there's no sign that it's taking the complaints very seriously. The lawsuit 
might be just the kick it needs to fix the world's broken iPhones. 
 
But the company's troubles go beyond the iPhone. Last month, Apple launched 
MobileMe, a $100-per-year online service that aimed to sync documents and 
e-mail across computers and Internet devices. MobileMe failed spectacularly in 
its opening weeks, with some users reporting losing years of saved e-mail. In a 
widely circulated post, Techcrunch's Michael Arrington claimed last week that 
Apple's PCs aren't doing so well either. Arrington, a longtime Apple fan, says 
he's had four new Macs break in different ways—one refused to connect to Wi-Fi 
networks, one suffered a keyboard flaw, and two shut down mysteriously. 
 
Is something rotten at Apple? Is it "flailing badly at the edges," as Arrington 
argues? Is it possible that Steve Jobs' reality distortion field is finally 
weakening—that the scales have fallen from our eyes and we're now seeing that 
Apple's products are just as flawed and prone to failure as any other hardware? 
 
Well, not really. As Apple fans point out, people still love Apple. Last week 
the American Customer Satisfaction Index, an annual survey of consumers' 
feelings about major brands, gave Apple a record score of 85 points out of 100 
in the personal-computer category. Apple scored 10 points higher than Dell, 12 
points higher than Hewlett-Packard, and 13 points higher than Gateway. Apple 
has led the category for five years straight. Claes Fornell, who directs the 
survey, told Computerworld that even though customers know that Apple's 
products aren't perfect, "Apple has an almost Teflon-like quality. Its problems 
don't really seem to matter to consumers." So much for the death of the reality 
distortion field. 
 
Why don't consumers seem to care about Apple's problems? For one thing, Apple 
gets more press than any other company in tech, and both its successes and 
failures tend to dominate the Silicon Valley blogosophere. It registers as big 
tech news when a high-flying blogger like Arrington gets a few unlucky Macs, 
but such difficulties probably don't filter down to most customers. Years of 
savvy brand advertising and a string of genuinely great products have helped 
Apple build up a well of good-feeling; as a result, people are more willing to 
overlook the company's occasional failures. Besides, many Apple products still 
beat their rivals, hands down. You may hate Apple for selling you an iPod with 
a battery that dies, but what are you going to do when you go looking for a new 
music player—get a Zune? Not likely.  
 
What's troubling, though, is Apple's tendency to milk this advantage—when it 
does screw up, it prefers secrecy over full disclosure, and it expects 
customers to quickly forgive any slight. Its response to the MobileMe meltdown 
was a classic example. For several days after the site's rocky launch, Apple 
refused to disclose what had gone wrong. It wouldn't say why MobileMe was down, 
and it wouldn't say when MobileMe would be fixed. Only after the New York 
Times' David Pogue and the Wall Street Journal's Walter Mossberg publishe